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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: johnm214]
    #13881364 - 01/31/11 11:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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None. Zip.

What does the amount of federal income tax have to do with anything anyways?  Seems a pretty arbitrary metric.  Either way, I paid the feds more tax than any other entity, I believe- including all the nonsense fees and so forth that motor vehicle registration imposes.

Your claims seem like ad hoc assertions- I'd like to see an accounting for them and, more to the point, how a person driving on the roads is a leach if they've paid less than their per capita average income tax. 

(btw, capital gains are included in the income tax statistics I suppose, yes?)



I don't know. 

It isn't just that you drive on the roads but that you avail yourself of all the services of the federal government. 

I'm going to assume that by stating that you pay more to the federal government than to any other entity you are including payroll taxes (soc sec and MC/MA).  So does everybody else, at the same percentage.  Except the top 1% will never get any benefit from MC/MA and soc sec payments determine your benefits.  The people who pay more get screwed more.

If you pay zero in federal income tax you are freeloading, plain and simple.


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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: johnm214]
    #13881400 - 01/31/11 11:50 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Here's another yummy little data point I ran into today

http://theblogprof.blogspot.com/2011/01/obama-sotu-2010-redux-if-we-truly-care.html
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The rich in this country pay far more than their fair share. And not only does bottom 47% of taxpayers pay no federal income tax, but the bottom 40% GET MONEY BACK! The top 5% pay about 60% of the federal tax bill. It's now gotten so bad, so unfair, that the top 1% pay more in federal taxes than the bottom 95%:




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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13881617 - 01/31/11 12:31 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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It's now gotten so bad, so unfair, that the top 1% pay more in federal taxes than the bottom 95%:







You do know that would be the same even with a flat-rate income tax system in place, right?

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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13882155 - 01/31/11 01:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Those numbers are meaningless towards your argument, unless you are saying everyone should pay the same dollar amount in taxes regardless of income, which would just be stupid.



ORLY?

What I said is that 95% of the people are parasites.  That is a demonstrable fact (which I did, in fact, demonstrate).  If you don't like being called a parasite don't be one.




So what would be the best way to kill them?


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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #13882225 - 01/31/11 02:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

> So what would be the best way to kill them?

Why kill them?  Put them to work and let them earn their keep.


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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: Seuss]
    #13882296 - 01/31/11 02:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

theres a name for that..its called "socialism"...

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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: Seuss]
    #13882323 - 01/31/11 02:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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> So what would be the best way to kill them?

Why kill them?  Put them to work and let them earn their keep.




Yeah, slaves are entertaining, even though we have the grave space.


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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #13883525 - 01/31/11 05:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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It's now gotten so bad, so unfair, that the top 1% pay more in federal taxes than the bottom 95%:







You do know that would be the same even with a flat-rate income tax system in place, right?



Nope.  Not even close.


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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #13883542 - 01/31/11 06:00 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Those numbers are meaningless towards your argument, unless you are saying everyone should pay the same dollar amount in taxes regardless of income, which would just be stupid.



ORLY?

What I said is that 95% of the people are parasites.  That is a demonstrable fact (which I did, in fact, demonstrate).  If you don't like being called a parasite don't be one.




So what would be the best way to kill them?



Why bother?


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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13883961 - 01/31/11 07:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Those numbers are meaningless towards your argument, unless you are saying everyone should pay the same dollar amount in taxes regardless of income, which would just be stupid.



ORLY?

What I said is that 95% of the people are parasites.  That is a demonstrable fact (which I did, in fact, demonstrate).  If you don't like being called a parasite don't be one.




So what would be the best way to kill them?



Why bother?




Well, parasites should be exterminated. I'm sure there are ways to either put the bugs to use by slavery; otherwise pesticides are probably available to do the job. Either death or slavery is looking like the best way to solve this problem. It might seem like a skewed sense of compassion, but mass graves may actually solve many problems in the u.s.a, plus any parasite willing to step up to dig the graves may be saved from themselves.

TL;DR: Create jobs, save lives.


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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #13883979 - 01/31/11 07:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Usually they just die off if you don't feed them.  You get a lot less if them, anyway.


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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13884425 - 01/31/11 08:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Starvation, why didn't I think of that.
I'm just learning about politics.


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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #13885879 - 02/01/11 01:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Wars are a good way of getting rid of excess population, especially the poor ones.


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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #13886759 - 02/01/11 09:34 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Wars are a good way of getting rid of excess population, especially the poor ones.



Hardly.  I don't think there has been a significantly population reducing war since WW1.  Maybe not even that one.


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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13887810 - 02/01/11 01:50 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

We need to start putting pregnant women on the front lines, then.


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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #13887879 - 02/01/11 02:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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We need to start putting pregnant women on the front lines, then.



"We"?  Who you talkin' 'bout "we"?


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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13888825 - 02/01/11 04:45 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Usually they just die off if you don't feed them.  You get a lot less if them, anyway.




This coming from a guy who doesn't raise any of his own food.  How about if all the "low level" farm workers stop feeding YOU!

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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: HippieChick8]
    #13889523 - 02/01/11 06:31 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Are you really going that far down the cavegirl route?  Because I know you didn't grow your own computer.


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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13890005 - 02/01/11 07:44 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Usually they just die off if you don't feed them.  You get a lot less if them, anyway.




This coming from a guy who doesn't raise any of his own food.  How about if all the "low level" farm workers stop feeding YOU!




How about it?  Seriously, so what if they do?  Other than his other silly argument about just who is a parasite, he isn't demanding they do anything in particular, contrary to the position he argues against.

The benefit of a free society with a free market is that they are free to stop providing him food anytime they want.  Freedom is nice, isn't it?


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Are you really going that far down the cavegirl route?  Because I know you didn't grow your own computer.




Maybe she bought some carbon offsets?  That seems to justify whatever behavior you wish to indulge in, regardless of whether the ills resultant are limited to greenhouse gas emissions or not.

Apparently you can buy these things from yourself, too.

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Re: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen [Re: johnm214]
    #13901326 - 02/03/11 06:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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How about it?  Seriously, so what if they do?  Other than his other silly argument about just who is a parasite, he isn't demanding they do anything in particular, contrary to the position he argues against.

The benefit of a free society with a free market is that they are free to stop providing him food anytime they want.  Freedom is nice, isn't it?




He often says that poor people are worthless.  Yet, without the poor, Zappa would have to not only produce his own food, but he would have to clean his own house and do all kinds of grunt work that he considers to be beneath him.  So I don't understand why he is constantly bitching about them. :confused: 

My computer may have been invented by the middle class and mass produced by the rich, but it was ACTUALLY BUILT by a poor person.

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