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Re: Egypt [Re: DieCommie]
    #13876898 - 01/30/11 02:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i think we (the U.S.) should keep our big nose out of it befor we end up in another war that costs us BILLIONS we dont have and we have extremest come over here from egypt and blow us up again. we get involved in every fucking thing that go`es on. if some one FARTS we WANT TO SMELL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Egypt [Re: Byrain]
    #13876942 - 01/30/11 02:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Byrain said:
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zappaisgod said:
Do we not have friends over there who aren't murdering scum? 

Nations that have not been taken over by murdering scum

Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Jordan
Israel
Iraq (crosses fingers)
Egypt (yet)

Nations that have:

Iran
Syria
Lebanon
Gaza




Lol...  Israel doesn't, but Gaza does? Do you know anything about those countries at all?  Or you just parroting some propaganda?  Mind sharing it for a laugh? :lol:

Also, you're missing some African countries for your second list and of course that big one right below Canada and right above Mexico. :smile:

Edit:  Who is "we"?

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Do we not







Actually I read a book by a woman from Saudia Arabia: Princess: A True Story of Life Behind the Veil in Saudi Arabia.  Do you know that in Saudia Arabia a father is legally allowed to murder his daughter if he finds out, even through hearsay, that she has had sex outside of marriage?  They practice female genital mutilation over there as well.  Yet, Saudia Arabia is on Zappa's "friends list".

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Re: Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13876975 - 01/30/11 02:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Byrain said:
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zappaisgod said:
Do we not have friends over there who aren't murdering scum? 

Nations that have not been taken over by murdering scum

Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Jordan
Israel
Iraq (crosses fingers)
Egypt (yet)

Nations that have:

Iran
Syria
Lebanon
Gaza




Lol...  Israel doesn't, but Gaza does? Do you know anything about those countries at all?  Or you just parroting some propaganda?  Mind sharing it for a laugh? :lol:




Israel defends itself from Gaza attacks.  Inconvenient facts for you.
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Also, you're missing some African countries for your second list and of course that big one right below Canada and right above Mexico. :smile:




It was region specific in response to Icelander's query.  Try doing all the reading before you come to class next time.
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Do we not







Try doing all the reading before you come to class next time.




And who is the one with the big guns?  Gaza? :tongue:  Sure, it takes two to tango, but this dance is certainly on uneven terms.  So much so, that your claim of who is the aggressor is outright silly.

As for the rest, I guess my first suspicions and judgment was correct, if you can't even bother replying, its certainly not worth my time.  If you're ever interested in learning instead of falling back on old assumptions and misconceptions, let me know, I'll come running. :smile:

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Re: Egypt [Re: HippieChick8]
    #13877186 - 01/30/11 03:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Actually I read a book by a woman from Saudia Arabia: Princess: A True Story of Life Behind the Veil in Saudi Arabia.  Do you know that in Saudia Arabia a father is legally allowed to murder his daughter if he finds out, even through hearsay, that she has had sex outside of marriage?  They practice female genital mutilation over there as well.  Yet, Saudia Arabia is on Zappa's "friends list".




Only because they aren't internationally adventurous.  I agree that the entire religion of Islam is an abomination.  But it is their abomination.  When it spills outside their borders it becomes our problem.  Did you know that many of the supporters of that policy are themselves women?  It's true.  They'll hold her down while she gets stoned to death.


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Re: Egypt [Re: halo]
    #13877200 - 01/30/11 03:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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, Egypt receives more aid from the US than any other country, most of it military.




why exactly?

they helpin us kill ppl in the middle east or is there some other reason for helpin em out?

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Re: Egypt [Re: Byrain]
    #13877217 - 01/30/11 03:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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And who is the one with the big guns?  Gaza?




Being incompetent at murder and aggression does not excuse their guilt
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:tongue:  Sure, it takes two to tango, but this dance is certainly on uneven terms. 




Yes, it is.  because they are sixth century morons stunted by their adherence to a doctrine of murder and stupidity
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So much so, that your claim of who is the aggressor is outright silly.




Once again, you fail to understand.  A midget who walks up to and punches a giant in the nuts is still the aggressor.  When the giant crushes him he is still defending himself.
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As for the rest, I guess my first suspicions and judgment was correct, if you can't even bother replying, its certainly not worth my time.  If you're ever interested in learning instead of falling back on old assumptions and misconceptions, let me know, I'll come running. :smile:




I don't think there is anything I can learn from you.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Apostle]
    #13877235 - 01/30/11 03:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Hologram said:
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halo said:
, Egypt receives more aid from the US than any other country, most of it military.




why exactly?

they helpin us kill ppl in the middle east or is there some other reason for helpin em out?



Because they stopped killing people in the mid-east several decades ago.  And were somewhat excoriated and threatened by the more radical murdering shitballs for doing so.  If the other shitballs in the mid-east had done the same there would be no problem.  But they haven't.


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Re: Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13877276 - 01/30/11 03:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

either way we woulda invaded imo

we cannot, as history shows, go without war. I dont blame middle easterns fore fighting off the occupation.U make it sound like otther middle eastern countries are savages compared to egypt when in reality they all have levels of corruption violent crimes.

THe people that do the most killing are our soldiers

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Re: Egypt [Re: Apostle]
    #13877282 - 01/30/11 03:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

oh i should add that i assumed u meant middle eastern countires when u say

"shitballs"

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Re: Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13877504 - 01/30/11 04:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:I don't think there is anything I can learn from you.




I don't think there is anything you could learn from anyone, that is the problem, you don't even try. (Granted, I haven't read everyone of your nearly 26k posts)

And, a giant crushing a midget who dared stand up against him is not self-defense, its excessive brutality.  Not to mention it doesn't even reflect the current scenario.

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Re: Egypt [Re: Byrain]
    #13877731 - 01/30/11 04:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:I don't think there is anything I can learn from you.




I don't think there is anything you could learn from anyone, that is the problem, you don't even try. (Granted, I haven't read everyone of your nearly 26k posts)

And, a giant crushing a midget who dared stand up against him is not self-defense, its excessive brutality.  Not to mention it doesn't even reflect the current scenario.



You're right.  Tiny Israel stood up to the Arab giant and defended itself.  It still is.

The reason there is nothing I can learn from is that you don't know anything.  You haven't said anything that I haven't heard a thousand times before from other ignorant benighted children who have no appreciation for what happened before they were born.


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Re: Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13877996 - 01/30/11 05:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

ZappaisGod if you actually read the information coming out of Israel and Gaza Strip you will be well aware that the Israeli government uses a disproportionate amount of violence towards the Palestinian people.

Remember this summer when a flotilla of peace activists tried to send food and supplies to impoverished Palestinians? The Israeli government boarded their vessels and killed some of the protesters in International Waters. That is not the action of a sane nation. Israel is a rogue state that uses violence in order to maintain control.

Although there are radical Islamists in the region they probably wouldn't be so radical if they and their families had not been systematically repressed by Israel and zionist forces for the last 60 years.

The Egyptian people understand the plight of the Palestinians, many of them are poor as well (though usually not as poor as the Palestinians or in as much danger from warfare) and they do not want to be a part of a government that supports Israel at the expense of the Palestinians. They just want justice is that so hard to see?

The Egyptian people are tired of being ruled by a leader who does not even follow their own laws. Hell, he's so stupid that he couldn't even make sure the Egyptian people were well off enough not to want to revolt. He is an incompetent leader and does not reflect the will of the people. He has been ruling their country for 30 years by enacting "emergency laws" at the end of each of his presidential terms. How would you feel if Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, or any of our other presidents decided that due to security concerns they would not abdicate power but would maintain control. That would completely undermine everything that our government stands for, such as freedom and a government determined by will of the people.

Unless I misunderstand you it seems to me that you are saying you think the Egyptian people should not have those same fundamental rights as U.S. citizens. Even though in our Constitution they are shrouded as "inalienable rights" granted to all human individuals, not just Americans, "endowed by their creator".

The Egyptians are peaceful people and the Muslim brotherhood and other organizations are not the cause of the protests. The brotherhood only came out in official support of the protesters in the past couple of days and they really aren't part of the organizing of it at all. In all of these riots the past few days only 6 people have been killed. Although that is absolutely horrible riots are often times much much worse such as the ones in Iran in 2009 in which hundreds of people were killed by government security forces.

The military is even on the side of the people. They are teaming up with the vigilante groups of civilians to stop looters. The military is allowing the protesters to graffiti their tanks with slogans saying "down with mubarak". And then they drive through the streets allowing protesters to ride on top of the tanks waving flags and shouting slogans. It's hard to believe that any type of significant government repression is possible anymore, according to some reports even some police members are leaving the force and joining the protesters. People are sick of the injustice and inhuman treatment they have been subject to for the past 30 years. Can you really not understand their point of view?


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Re: Egypt [Re: halo]
    #13880469 - 01/31/11 06:03 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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halo said:
ZappaisGod if you actually read the information coming out of Israel and Gaza Strip you will be well aware that the Israeli government uses a disproportionate amount of violence towards the Palestinian people.





if you attack me with a knife I'll defend with a gun, while you may only be
making a threat, my intent is to kill and make sure you cant carry out that
threat. if you cant come to me with a measure of civility to discuss the
problems between us then I have no other options left open to me. it seems
that Israel has the same goal in mind, survival.

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Re: Egypt [Re: Madtowntripper] * 2
    #13880898 - 01/31/11 09:43 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Whether you like it or not, and whether it turns out well or not, the Egyptian people have the right to live under a government of their own choosing.

If it turns out to be a poor government, well, then so be it.  They can do this again until they get it right.




did you see this on CNN?


"if Mubarak fell, we are, the whole people in Egypt, we’re gonna be free, we’re gonna be free. If the people are free in Egypt, we’re gonna go free we’re gonna go free Palestine, we’re gonna destroy Israel!”

Egypt´s Islamic Revolution: "When We are free, We will Free Palestine and Destroy Israel"





its going to be a horrible nightmare.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #13882446 - 01/31/11 02:44 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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halo said:
ZappaisGod if you actually read the information coming out of Israel and Gaza Strip you will be well aware that the Israeli government uses a disproportionate amount of violence towards the Palestinian people.





if you attack me with a knife I'll defend with a gun, while you may only be
making a threat, my intent is to kill and make sure you cant carry out that
threat. if you cant come to me with a measure of civility to discuss the
problems between us then I have no other options left open to me. it seems
that Israel has the same goal in mind, survival.




True but that's kind of fucked up. I mean basically for ever 1 Israeli killed by a Palestinian rocket they kill 1000 palestinians in aerial bombings. I'm not necessarily trying to defend the Palestinians, I do not think they should be killing people at all. But the fact of the matter is that Israel is killing more people than the Palestinians are, and thus I dislike Israel more than I dislike Palestine.

Here's a wikileaks cable that details how the Israeli government purposefully tries to control and damage the economy of Gaza.

http://www.aftenposten.no/spesial/wikileaksdokumenter/article3972840.ece

And here's a CBS article explaining it if you don't want to read so much.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20027345-503543.html


Their stated goal is to "keep the gaza economy functioning at the lowest possible level without a humanitarian crisis."

This basically means that they are trying to keep Gazans as poor as possible without actually killing them. If I was living in Gaza, this type of shit would really piss me off. A country way more powerful than mine, intentionally keeping my people poor for it's own political gains? That would piss me off so fucking much. In fact, it does, and I don't even live in Palestine. The problem is that when these terrorist acts are committed it just gives more fuel to the fire of rhetoric employed by Israeli politicians. More evidence that they need to clamp down on Gaza. That's what really sucks.

You'd have to be really stupid not to understand that the Palestinians are suffering economically and socially. This is the kind of thing that drives people to war and violent acts of terrorism. If the Israeli government did not want Palestinian terrorists they would do what they can to not harm the well-being of the people there. They neglect to do this and then wonder why the Gazans are so absolutely furious at Israel (aside from the whole Israel stealing the land from the Palestinians in the first place, that's a whole nother story).


This is, however, about Egypt right now. Once the current government topples and a new one is formed, it would not be surprising if they took some type of action toward Israel and the Palestinians. Hopefully they would offer refuge for the Palestinians in Egypt but barring that perhaps they could make headway against Israel. If Syria and/or Jordan succumbs to gov't changing protests, and some analysts think that they might, then they probably wouldn't follow Israel all the time either. If this happens then Israel would have to make a choice: Either agree to the demands of the other Arab countries in relation to the Palestinians, or fight a war against all of them.

The problem is that Israel really cannot fight a war against all of it's neighboring countries. The US is still bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan and without public support here for a war there's no chance that we would be able to help Israel fight such a battle. Plus aside from the US (and even under Obama we've been kind of iffy) the whole world hates Israel and condemns them for the inhumane and unjust actions. If Israel falls in the middle east, or at least changes to a peaceful non-violent state, then there may be peace in the middle east and, perhaps the world.

Unfortunately, I get the impression that these protests will ultimately culminate in either some type of world-wide peace movement, or god forbid, another type of major world war conflict. The scariest thing in all of this is that Israel has something like 100 or 200 nukes, possibly more. This does give them an absurd amount of power and I worry that if they got boxed in and were losing a war that they would deploy nuclear warheads to countless cities around the Middle East. I pray to God that doesn't happen but I would worry about it should a new large scale war erupt there.

As for Egypt so far the protests there are only getting more intense and popular. They are planning a "one million man march" for Tuesday. The military is effectively on the side of the people, maintaining order and allowing them (the protesters) to ride atop their tanks and spraypaint "down with mubarak" on the sides. If that isn't a sign that the military is more allied with the people than with the government than I don't know what is.


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Re: Egypt [Re: halo] * 1
    #13882762 - 01/31/11 03:47 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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But the fact of the matter is that Israel is killing more people than the Palestinians are, and thus I dislike Israel more than I dislike Palestine.




Using that 'logic' you would have supported Germany in WWII, since the US killed more of them than they killed of us.

I support Israel because I think their culture and way of life is better than the Palestinians.  Who is 'winning' at the moment has nothing to do with who I think is right.

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Re: Egypt [Re: DieCommie]
    #13883059 - 01/31/11 04:41 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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DieCommie said:

I support Israel because I think their culture and way of life is better




that's kinda subjective man..

so basically any culture that doesn't share your way of life doesn't deserve to exist. Because you've judged their culture to be inferior the Palestinians don't deserve the same rights as Israelis?

:freshwtf:

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Re: Egypt [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #13883082 - 01/31/11 04:45 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

what part of their culture is so much better that it gives them the right use violence against civilians? Is it because of their religion or maybe its because of their westernized culture?

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Re: Egypt [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #13883479 - 01/31/11 05:53 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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that's kinda subjective man..





So what?  My belief is not invalidated by being subjective.  All cultures were not created equal, and some are downright disgusting.

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Re: Egypt [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #13883510 - 01/31/11 05:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Dr. P. Silocybin said:
what part of their culture is so much better that it gives them the right use violence against civilians?



They go out of their way to avoid that, as opposed to their enemy, who deliberately targets civilians.  Pally civilian casualties are mostly a result of Pally fighters hiding behind civilians.


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