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The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World!
    #13864914 - 01/28/11 08:24 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

In case you’ve missed it, food riots are spreading throughout the developing world Already Tunisia, Algeria, Oman, and even Laos are experiencing riots and protests due to soaring food prices.

As Abdolreza Abbassian, chief economist at the UN’s Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), put it, “We are entering a danger territory.”


Indeed, these situations left people literally starving… AND dead from the riots.

And why is this happening?


A perfect storm of increased demand, bad harvests from key exporters (Argentina, Russia, Australia and Canada, but most of all, the Fed’s money pumping. If you don’t believe me, have a look at the below chart:



As you can see, it wasn’t until the Fed announced its QE lite program that agricultural commodities exploded above long-term resistance. And in case there was any doubt, QE 2 sent them absolutely stratospheric.

This isn't really unexpected.

Last November, David Einhorn warned:


It is quite likely that QE2 will slow the economy by raising food and energy prices [because it is easier to generate these price increases]. [These price hikes] would act as a tax on consumers and businesses.
Also in November, Karl Denninger wrote:


We have a Federal Reserve that, in the last two years, has printed and debased the currency of this nation by more than 100%, taking their balance sheet from $800 billion to more than $2 trillion. They now threaten, today, to do even more of that. This has resulted in insane price ramps in soft commodities ....

("soft commodities" means food crops).

As the Wall Street Journal, Tyler Durden, the Economic Policy Journal and others note, inflation in food prices isn't limited to developing nations, but is coming to the U.S.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22907


Interactive Map Of Recent Food Riots And Price Hikes





http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=203015973545354677871.000499b16caba320e204a&z=3


You can follow the Riots Live Stream Al Jazeera


http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/


God help us if we ever run out of Cable TV and Doritos..


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13864945 - 01/28/11 08:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The Egyptian government just shut down their internet...


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13864951 - 01/28/11 08:49 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

> The Egyptian government just shut down their internet...

Just?  Happened a day or or two ago...

Also, "have a look at the below chart:" ...

Chart?  What chart?


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Seuss]
    #13864984 - 01/28/11 09:01 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13864986 - 01/28/11 09:02 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Good.

It begins.  Lets take the power back.

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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Seuss]
    #13864992 - 01/28/11 09:02 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

are u watching the riots link?

crazy shit.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: nice1]
    #13865039 - 01/28/11 09:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Obama administration Treasury Secretary Geithner Does Not See Global Inflation As A Concern


"not high on the list of concerns"


Geithner acknowledged the need not to jeopardize the recovery by cutting spending too fast

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110128-704050.html


People starving to death far away are not our concern.

Israel might have some concern...


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13865052 - 01/28/11 09:23 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Are you seriously trying to argue that US debt and Fed policy of buying bonds is causing food prices to rise in remote shitholes to such an extent that it is causing riots? 

Please don't turn into Al.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13865084 - 01/28/11 09:40 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Are you seriously trying to argue that US debt and Fed policy of buying bonds is causing food prices to rise in remote shitholes to such an extent that it is causing riots? 

Please don't turn into Al.





Yes and the tens of billions of DOLLARS of aid we give to Egypt doesn't buy them the same amount of food it once did due to the Feds money printing.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Seuss]
    #13865097 - 01/28/11 09:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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> The Egyptian government just shut down their internet...

Just?  Happened a day or or two ago...

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Syria Shuts Down Internet Service

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/82156/Reports%3A-Syria-Internet-Down-As-Egypt-Blackout-Catches-On-In-Middle-East.html

now im on top of it! :grin:


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13865161 - 01/28/11 10:01 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

and what if the Suez canal is shut down.

$7.00 gas?

Obama needs to put the basketball down and pay attention.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13865185 - 01/28/11 10:08 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Are you seriously trying to argue that US debt and Fed policy of buying bonds is causing food prices to rise in remote shitholes to such an extent that it is causing riots? 

Please don't turn into Al.





Yes and the tens of billions of DOLLARS of aid we give to Egypt doesn't buy them the same amount of food it once did due to the Feds money printing.



:morefoil:

Do you really think any of the money we ever sent the Egyptians went to food?:rofl2:
http://carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=23282
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With U.S. economic aid to Egypt cut to $200 million for 2009, the per capita share is a measly $2.60 in a country with an average gross domestic income (GDP) per capita at current prices of about $1,697 in 2007 and $2,184 in 2008 according to the World Development Report of 2009—the sharp increase is partially attributed to the high inflation rate of 11.8 percent in 2008. If calculated using Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) that adjusts for the relative purchasing power difference between the Egyptian pound and the dollar, the average per capita income in Egypt was $5,352 in 2007 and $5,400 in 2008. Therefore, in per capita terms, U.S. economic aid to Egypt is barely a drop in the bucket.




And QE 1&2 causing food riots?  :flowstone:  How about this:

Increased demand due to expanding China and India as well as the idiotic ethanol program plus crop shortfalls.  Why the Fed and not Europe?  Or China?  Or maybe they are just fed up with their corrupt governments.

:flowstone:


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13865233 - 01/28/11 10:21 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

shit shroomery, we need to find a haven quick. shits getting real, reall fast.

where can we go? where can we grow food? where can we be safe from this retarded violence? we need to make a plan

ive already been stocking up on camping supplies, plant books, and other books and survival things with my imaginary paper currency thats soon to become obsolete


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13865252 - 01/28/11 10:29 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

speaking of tin foil :laugh: I'm worried that the money printing has only just begun.

by the time we get to quantitative easing number four (QE4) we could be seeing rice riots in China and a civil war in Spain...

and then some new gold backed world currency will be introduced!  :morefoil: :morefoil::morefoil:


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13865585 - 01/28/11 12:01 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Fall of Saudi Arabia to End Dollar Reserve System?


"There is a social media revolution in Saudi Arabia ... Ten million Saudis are online, 3 million belong to Facebook, and Twitter feeds are up more than 400 percent. Recently, many tweets and posts have been focused on the uprising in Tunisia. In fact, Saudi's social media activists spread videos and news updates at the peak of the street protests — and the interest has stayed high ever since. And, now, Saudi bloggers have added the unrest in Cairo to the topics receiving much attention. Will the Saudi government clamp down on this free-wheeling speech after Tunisia's social media movement helped to bring down a government? It's one of the big questions ahead for Saudi Arabia. How this authoritarian regime will live with the freedom and chaos that the Internet represents. ... The Internet poses a challenge for this conservative, mostly religious society. –

National Public Radio


Free-Market Analysis: The civil unrest in Egypt is growing fiercer. Electronic communications have been shut down throughout Egypt and massive demonstrations have been planned for today. A changing of the guard in Egypt would be a massive political shift indeed, but what if the disturbances don't stop there? What if they ultimately spread to Saudi Arabia and end up bringing down the dollar reserve system?

We suggest this possibility because we believe there are larger forces at work in the Middle East. Could it be that the power elite itself is inciting these disturbances? Is the idea, eventually, to crash the dollar and set up a global currency in its place?

The dollar reserve system is propped up by Saudi Arabia's willingness to restrict the purchase of oil to dollars, a system that has been in place since US President Richard Nixon abrogated what remained of the gold standard in 1971. But the PE is notoriously unsentimental. The Saudi elite has grown enormously wealthy from its relationship with the US and now, perhaps, for the good of a new world order, it is time for them to go.





http://www.thedailybell.com/1717/Fall-of-Saudi-Arabia-to-End-Dollar-Reserve-System.html


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13867118 - 01/28/11 04:48 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It's painfully obvious we've been exporting our price inflation to countries that use the dollar or have dollar reserves. It's an old trick, but as we saw in the 70s inflation with France using a war ship to collecting its gold, it won't be pretty.

Which gets me thinking, how come Americans think the US is the number one military power despite any time another nuclear power steps up to the challenge we fold like a fucking lawn chair?? If you want to see who's calling the shots just look at how we reacted in the Hainan Island incident, we sent public letters of apology like a bunch of little bitches. Or look at the cable leaks, when the Saudis tell us to invade Iran the politicians and media immediately start drumming up the cause.

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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13868079 - 01/28/11 08:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think there will be a global collapse then when we are all starving they will announce the one world currency as our saviour.

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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: nice1]
    #13868780 - 01/28/11 10:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

This is just the beginning of the S hitting the F.  In short we have about a year or two before the end of the world as we knew it. The world itself will not end, just the world of delusion in our minds... Share or Die, that's our choice.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #13869900 - 01/29/11 08:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Don't you think the elite have a plan?  I do...

Probably the same as the last one, bring us to our knees, starve us then make us beg for a one world currency and new laws taking away any freedoms left.

I've got my survival equipment and skills ready to get out of dodge.

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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: nice1]
    #13870333 - 01/29/11 10:24 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't you think the elite have a plan?  I do...

Probably the same as the last one, bring us to our knees, starve us then make us beg for a one world currency and new laws taking away any freedoms left.

I've got my survival equipment and skills ready to get out of dodge.



dude me too, ive been spending most my shit on camping, hiking, survival gear and books.
i dont really know a good place to go tho


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Muufokfok]
    #13871174 - 01/29/11 01:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Hundreds detained in Saudi Arabia over protests (Unrest spreading?)

Saudi authorities detained hundreds of demonstrators on Friday in Jeddah who gathered to protest against poor infrastructure after deadly floods swept through Saudi Arabia's second biggest city, police and witnesses said. Some Jeddah streets remained submerged on Friday, and electricity was still out in low-lying parts of the city two days after torrential rains caused flooding that killed at least four people and swept away cars.

The protest came after mass messages sent over BlackBerry smart phones called for popular action in response to the flood, an unusual move in the Arab state at a time of spreading anti-government unrest…



http://www.daily-news-trends.com/news-2/hundreds-detained-in-saudi-arabia-over-protests-unrest-spreading/

not good!

man would Obama let Saudi Arabia fall?

would China let the Saudi leaders fall?


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13871325 - 01/29/11 02:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I should warn you lonestar that I've encountered globalresearch.ca and concluded it is the sort of newswire that basically prints more plausible conspiracy theories than other conspiracy theorist websites. However, in this one they aren't even claiming a clear reason why QE is causing food price increases, so what is the reason you think this is? Why does the USD effect food transactions that are being taken place in Rupees, Pounds or Euros?

It likely that bad harvests in key exporters would cause this kind of inflation, that's basic supply and demand curve economics. However, there is no simple economic reason why QE executed by one country should make food prices higher. I could see if QE devalued countries where it was used as a reserve's dollar, but I do not see how this would only extend to food. Why haven't energy costs increased noticeably? Why haven't other consumer goods, particularly essential ones increased?

Also, the riots in Egypt at current are about other economic factors than the price of food. Not to say it's a non-issue relating to the riots, but it isn't the reason for the riots at current.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13871513 - 01/29/11 03:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

When the government of a country prints money in excess, prices of food and commodities increase.

Americans pay for all the OIL we consume with shity printed DOLLARS!

its very simple!

i bring Saudi Arabia up because that country is the key!

what do you think would happen if Saudi Arabia stopped dealing Oil in Dollars?

Do you think that could hurt our reserve dollar status?

the printing alone is already making its status shit..

The OPEC countries are going to have to decide very soon if they will continue to let us starve their people with our shity dollars....


All this Blood is on the Feds Hands....


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13871587 - 01/29/11 03:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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When the government of a country prints money in excess, prices of food and commodities increase.



And we have more money. Yay!
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Americans pay for all the OIL we consume with shity printed DOLLARS!




Go us!  Yay!
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its very simple!

i bring Saudi Arabia up because that country is the key!

what do you think would happen if Saudi Arabia stopped dealing Oil in Dollars?




Nothing.
Quote:



Do you think that could hurt our reserve dollar status?



Now that's something.  Does that give us any benefit?
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the printing alone is already making its status shit..




Given the fact that US inflation is pretty low, no, it isn't.  Not yet, anyway.
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The OPEC countries are going to have to decide very soon if they will continue to let us starve their people with our shity dollars....




By the way, shitty dollars compared to what?
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All this Blood is on the Feds Hands....




Bullshit.  It's da Chews, Al.

Did you see this thread?


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13871799 - 01/29/11 04:15 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Right, but oil hasn't significantly increased in price as with other commodities. All I'm saying is it seems more likely that rather than QE the source of high global food prices might be global supply shortages.

The US's reserve status in immaterial to these claims that QE is causing high food prices. I am not making any claims regarding this here. I'm simply trying to say that the central premise (basically the topic of your post) is at current entirely false and that these claims that the Fed reserve is responsible for these riots and this unrest is laughable.

For one, food shortages have not been named as the causes of this unrest in Egypt. I've seen quite a few news outlets name inequity as the sole cause including the Al Jazeera coverage and no outlets naming food prices (though it is on any laundry list of complaints). In fact the only other factor named as the reasons for the riots is Egypt's lack of democracy.

Secondly, as I have already said you have offered no proof that QE is causing food prices to rise, rather than the clear economic factors of a supply side shortage. The article that you posted in your OP stated that QE was a greater cause of the rise in food prices than the supply shortages. Yet there is no explanation of this theory or why for example other commodities have not risen yet.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13872450 - 01/29/11 06:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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The OPEC countries are going to have to decide very soon if they will continue to let us starve their people with our shity dollars....




By the way, shitty dollars compared to what?
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All this Blood is on the Feds Hands....




Bullshit.  It's da Chews, Al.

Did you see this thread?



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these claims that the Fed reserve is responsible for these riots and this unrest is laughable.







Look Zappa and Scavenger (just seeing those two names together  makes me :rofl:) but where do you think all those dollars that the fed is printing end up?


They end up all over the world is where!

we are trying to create inflation here in America to help pay off our debt with shity dollars but we are also exporting inflation all over the world!

EVERYONE in the world pays the same price for something like wheat on the world market.

BUT wheat prices going up in american is not the same as some poor ass person living in the mid east!

A small increase in price is a BIG FUCKING DEAL to many people around the world and it could end in STARVATION for a lot of people.

And its not just the mid east thats getting food inflation.

Brazil china and s Korea are all having food price inflation.

Remember guys food means totally different things in the U.S. then in poor countries like the middle east and China.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13872521 - 01/29/11 06:31 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Look I think you've made pretty clear why your secretly my favorite conservative poster here.

I didn't know that zappa was making comments about the reserve currency because I have him on my ignore list, so I'm sorry if I seemed irritated that you kept bringing the subject up. I think the USD is going to have troubles as a reserve currency in the long term as I have made clear in other threads, but I don't see where you are going here with the two topics. The value of the USD hasn't significantly declined on international markets in this time-period when the QE is happening.

QE is not causing a rise in food prices, food shortages are and those riots are not the product of food shortages. Are you going to try to prove this claim named in the thread topic and your OP or not?


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13875683 - 01/30/11 09:43 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Norman Borlaug's legacy will remain tainted.

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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13875745 - 01/30/11 10:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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The OPEC countries are going to have to decide very soon if they will continue to let us starve their people with our shity dollars....




By the way, shitty dollars compared to what?
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All this Blood is on the Feds Hands....




Bullshit.  It's da Chews, Al.

Did you see this thread?



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these claims that the Fed reserve is responsible for these riots and this unrest is laughable.







Look Zappa and Scavenger (just seeing those two names together  makes me :rofl:) but where do you think all those dollars that the fed is printing end up?




The Fed doesn't print money, Al.  The treasury does.
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They end up all over the world is where!



So what? 
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we are trying to create inflation here in America to help pay off our debt with shity dollars but we are also exporting inflation all over the world!




Where's the inflation, Al?  It remains miniscule.  Sinec there hasn't been inflation to speak of (maybe I'll throw in a "yet") how could it possibly be causing these riots?  :flowstone:
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EVERYONE in the world pays the same price for something like wheat on the world market.




I don't think that's correct. 
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BUT wheat prices going up in american is not the same as some poor ass person living in the mid east!




Living in the middle east?  Those aren't poor countries.  The people are poor because they have kleptocrat governments who take all the money.  Doesn't have one dick's worth of difference what the Fed does.  And what about Europe?  And China?  And India?  Are they nothing?  I don't think so.
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A small increase in price is a BIG FUCKING DEAL to many people around the world and it could end in STARVATION for a lot of people.




They aren't starving because food is expensive or unavailable.  They are starving because it is stolen.
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And its not just the mid east thats getting food inflation.




You still haven't established that there is food inflation in the mid-east and wouldn't that be much more offset by oil inflation?  La fucking der.
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Brazil china and s Korea are all having food price inflation.




Link?  I don't see any riots there.
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Remember guys food means totally different things in the U.S. then in poor countries like the middle east and China.




:rofl2:

Those aren't poor countries.  The riots have nothing to do with the price of food and everything to do with their corrupt governments.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13875949 - 01/30/11 11:14 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Banks like the world bank were the ones that corrupted their governments.  They give them huge loans then when they can't pay they take the natural resources or whatever.  You wouldn't blame the governments for their corruption if you were aware of the tactics used by the world bank.  They basically have a choice between taking the bank loan or get fucked up.

I suspect the people know this and hence they want to over throw the gov that has been corrupted by the western bankers and get an honest currency system.  Same as we should do here in UK and over there in the US because the bankers create the money at a debt to our governments.  Thats a fraud - a ponzi scheme.  If I'm not mistaken the whole early history of the US was trying to do just that - fight off the western bankers so they could have an honest currency but they failed.




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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: nice1]
    #13875979 - 01/30/11 11:18 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

There is no such thing as predatory lending, only predatory borrowing.


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    #13875987 - 01/30/11 11:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Right. :rolleyes:

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    #13880749 - 01/31/11 08:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Where's the inflation, Al? 




Every time you call me "Al" i get that Paul Simon song stuck in my head you .ucking .orrid asshole....:grin:


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    #13880823 - 01/31/11 09:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

and dont worry the inflation is coming here to America very soon.

this entire mess has a 70's 80's feel to it.


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    #13889822 - 02/01/11 07:15 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Ron Paul on Egyptian chaos: 'We're responsible for a lot of the mess that is over there'


In an interview with Fox News Channel's Your World with Neil Cavuto, the libertarian Republican from Lake Jackson called for shutting off foreign aid not only to Egypt but to every nation in the Middle East.

"This is a typical example of what happens when we run on intervention-type foreign policies," Paul told Cavuto. "We get in the middle of these fights. We've been in the middle of this for thirty years now. We've given Mubarak 60 billion dollars.

We're responsible for a lot of the mess that is over there."


He said American foreign policies of both parties have left the U.S. in a difficult position.

"The big fight now is for us to be in charge," Paul said. "If Mubarak survives we want to be on his side. If they get a new guy, we want to be on their side. And I just think that doesn't work because eventually the people rebel. For awhile it seems to be stable, but it's so artificial."

His solution: "I wouldn't just cut off Egyptian. I would cut off all aid from the Middle East and maybe that whole area would be better off for it."






http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/02/ron_paul_on_egyptian_chaos_wer_1.html

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Zappa i feel bad for Israel but let it burn, let it motherfucking burn





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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13889893 - 02/01/11 07:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Really?  You like radioactive glass all over the middle East?

Ron Paul is and always has been a moron.  As I have demonstrated over and over again, Al.


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    #13893443 - 02/02/11 12:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Really?  You like radioactive glass all over the middle East?






not really, we'd probably have to take the pyramid off our dollar bills if the middle east was all just glass.

but other than that why do we have to be Globalcop in the middle east?


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    #13893556 - 02/02/11 12:46 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

but other than that why do we have to be Globalcop in the middle east?

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    #13893706 - 02/02/11 01:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

we have plenty of our own natural energy sources....


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    #13893792 - 02/02/11 01:31 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Let's use all theirs up first.


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    #13894170 - 02/02/11 02:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

right! but are we really getting our money's worth using up theirs first?

how much of theirs and our own resources are we using just to be able to use all their resources up first?


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13894277 - 02/02/11 03:00 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

This shits got to go :smile:

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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: nice1]
    #13894442 - 02/02/11 03:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

this is just the beginning.

there are many poor countries that are having to deal with food inflation and after the FED starts QE number 3 a lot more countries will start to burn.

India:  Vegetable prices have jumped by nearly 16% in the last few days

"The government is struggling to explain why"


Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/vegetable-food-inflation-spikes-a-teary-eyed-govt-blames-onions-74522?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+ndtv/Lsg&cp


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13894483 - 02/02/11 03:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:rofl2:Why you think that the Fed buying government bonds is causing world food prices to rise is mysterious.  Droughts and the growing economies of China and India, an overall rise in population, general unrest throughout the world, the actions of Europe and China regarding their currencies, all these things are of no consequence next to the mighty Fed's purchase of US securities.

Fucking nutty.  And by "nutty" I mean downright batshit raving and drooling Al nutty.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13895681 - 02/02/11 07:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

One day not too far in the future (QE5) i except to hear Zappa going bat shit crazy having to pay $100 dollars for a cup of coffee! :rofl2:


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    #13898386 - 02/03/11 08:17 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

At 54 I don't have any expectations of living that long.:grin:

You know who will really be crying?  The bank that holds my 4.5% mortgage for $700,000.:grin::grin:


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    #13898400 - 02/03/11 08:22 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Let's use all theirs up first.





Bingo! This is the bottom line folks and you heard it from the Master.:thumbup: Other wise they're a bunch of nobodies running around on camels eating dates and abusing women and we could give a shit.


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    #13907958 - 02/04/11 11:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, lonestar "Quantitative Easing" or in layman's terms:  the printing of more money out of thin air (making each individual unit of that money worth less) does NOT I repeat NOT create bubbles in commodities! :wink:

All that extra money just sits in a freaking vacuum doing nothing whatsoever.

Smart people DO NOT notice the currency losing value and protect their wealth by buying things with it that will retain value thereby creating a speculative bubble. :yesnod:


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zorbman]
    #13908560 - 02/05/11 01:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i think the treasury should shut down their printing facility till the USA gets back on its feet printing more money isnt helping any one.

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    #13908790 - 02/05/11 03:21 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Its helping the European bankers who own the fed to keep the ponzi scheme going.  Those parasites are beyond rich - they control the empire at the peoples expense.

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    #13913827 - 02/06/11 01:18 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I couldn't have put it better myself.

They're working their game well though with their cultivated brain dead partisans on the left and right wasting their energy fighting each other while the real enemy goes undetected in their midst.

Elites on top of their game working their media whores like a champ. You gotta hand it to them.

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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zorbman]
    #13914387 - 02/06/11 05:12 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

People everywhere should start their own Ponzi schemes.  When they get accused of fraud in court bring up their countries major bank and ask the court why they are allowed to run a fraudulent Ponzi scheme yet you are not.

Just one way of highlighting the fraud publicly.

I was thinking today the whole concept of money basically works on 2 human emotions.  Greed and fear.  Greed being when we invest to gain a return and fear being when we put our money back into gold and silver.  These concepts are the exact mechanisms of a Ponzi scheme too.  :strokebeard:

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    #13919144 - 02/07/11 12:49 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Smart people DO NOT notice the currency losing value and protect their wealth by buying things with it that will retain value thereby creating a speculative bubble.




Food is a perishable commodity, if you did not notice. It's not like gold, you can't store it forever. Speculation may be driving up food costs, but that was true of the 08 grain price hike as well and isn't related to QE.


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    #13926547 - 02/08/11 09:57 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I couldn't have put it better myself.

They're working their game well though with their cultivated brain dead partisans on the left and right wasting their energy fighting each other while the real enemy goes undetected in their midst.

Elites on top of their game working their media whores like a champ. You gotta hand it to them.

When, if ever, will people catch on to these goddamn parasites?





they're going to start catching on very soon when we hit double digit inflation here in american. inflation always shows up in the poor countries first.

the fed admits its trying to create inflation but what are they going to do when they finally create it here?

will they raise interest rates with 10% unemployment? eventually they will have to but inflation could already be in the double digits by then.....it took them a decade to go from 7% interest rate down to 0 percent interest rate.

can they jump from 0 to 10% in a year?:grin:



lots of people will not be prepared, and prices rising faster than wages is going to suck big time.


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    #13926645 - 02/08/11 10:35 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Are you seriously trying to argue that US debt and Fed policy of buying bonds is causing food prices to rise in remote shitholes to such an extent that it is causing riots? 

Please don't turn into Al.



IF not that then the shittons of grain that we feed our live stock.  a a shit ton(1/3 i believe tho it may be more) of the world grains feed animals instead of ppl just so countries like ours can enjoy meat now n then.

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    #13926669 - 02/08/11 10:41 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I predict Zappa will be on board by this fall.:grin:


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    #13926723 - 02/08/11 10:53 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Food is a perishable commodity, if you did not notice. It's not like gold, you can't store it forever.




Rich people and large financial entities don't normally purchase food for this purpose as food but rather in the form of futures contracts on those underlying commodities. And they get out of them before the contracts expire. They never take delivery.

Not too many people want 40 trucks unloading a mountain of grain onto their lawns. :grin:


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    #13926794 - 02/08/11 11:14 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You can't hold food futures for years buddy, in a short time food futures turn into food ATM and then you've only bought yourself a little extra time. Besides if people are buying food futures it is because they expect the price of food to rise and then they can sell them when they turn into food (speculation) not cause QE scares their pants off.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13927070 - 02/08/11 12:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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not cause QE scares their pants off.




speaking of being scared:grin: when inflation hits (thanks to QE) and everyone in the world gets scared and starts dumping their low yield paying bonds causing interest rates to skyrocket wait until after the storm and find some big fat double-digit yields on some of the higher quality bonds. and

buy!

buy!

buy!

IMO that would be a great long term investment!:cheer:


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Apostle]
    #13927092 - 02/08/11 12:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Are you seriously trying to argue that US debt and Fed policy of buying bonds is causing food prices to rise in remote shitholes to such an extent that it is causing riots? 

Please don't turn into Al.



IF not that then the shittons of grain that we feed our live stock.  a a shit ton(1/3 i believe tho it may be more) of the world grains feed animals instead of ppl just so countries like ours can enjoy meat now n then.



Our consumption of meat has not significantly changed so why do you think it has anything to do with increasing food prices.

Hugely increased Chinese and Indian demand
Disastrous harvests in Australia and Russia
Ethanol

Those are things that changed.  Positing a mostly static meat consumption in the US as a cause for a change elsewhere is idiotic.

Not a fucking thing to do with cattle or the Fed buying bonds.  Do you know why they don't include energy and food in inflation measures?  Because there is too much short term volatility in those markets.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13927164 - 02/08/11 12:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Hologram said:
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zappaisgod said:
Are you seriously trying to argue that US debt and Fed policy of buying bonds is causing food prices to rise in remote shitholes to such an extent that it is causing riots? 

Please don't turn into Al.



IF not that then the shittons of grain that we feed our live stock.  a a shit ton(1/3 i believe tho it may be more) of the world grains feed animals instead of ppl just so countries like ours can enjoy meat now n then.



Our consumption of meat has not significantly changed so why do you think it has anything to do with increasing food prices.

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well its not just us its MEAT in general

and countries that are devolping. Developed countries (like ours) consume most of the worlds meat and that means that for the few rising economies demands to be met resources will once again be diverted from the poor. Not to mention our ethanol experimenting which uses up farmland n crops that could be used to feed people.

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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Apostle]
    #13927209 - 02/08/11 12:46 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/30/food.china1


plus we are steadily consuming more due to population increase and are consuming CHIKEN considerably MORE each year than other meats.


but like i said demand for meat is really the cause

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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13927241 - 02/08/11 12:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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.  Do you know why they don't include energy and food in inflation measures?  Because there is too much short term volatility in those markets.




:yesnod:





so whats up with that small up tick?

is that the obama recovery and deflation is over?

or is that the beginning of something more ominous?


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13927309 - 02/08/11 01:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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You can't hold food futures for years buddy, in a short time food futures turn into food ATM and then you've only bought yourself a little extra time. Besides if people are buying food futures it is because they expect the price of food to rise and then they can sell them when they turn into food (speculation) not cause QE scares their pants off.




That is incorrect. It depends upon the expiration date of your contract. If it for years out then one can hold it for years. Otherwise they can rotate out when the time is right. And they do not have to wait for the contract to expire - they can sell at any time they choose.

If QE results in inflation then yes, people will turn to commodities in general. Not just precious metals. No reason not to. The precious metals market is only so big compared to others. When you see monetary inflation you will see most commodities rise in general. That was happening right before the economic crash in 2008 with oil, food and precious metals.

Also consider that markets are anticipatory mechanisms. That is what futures contracts are all about after all! So not only actual inflation from QE but anticipated inflation will cause commodities prices to rise. And that is what is happening right now. I don't personally know one wealthy investor who isn't moving his money into hard assets right now in anticipation of inflation.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zorbman]
    #13927502 - 02/08/11 01:52 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Lonestar:
Yea but at high interest rates after massive inflation just having the liquidity is going to be a problem.

IMO though QE is just one of a myriad of problems that will cause a US dollar collapse and when it comes it won't just affect bonds. The USD would probibly be victim to severe currency devaluation and possible subsequent price fluctuation, for me that's too much risk to invest in US bonds. Way better off to hit up a stronger economy who's taken a hit in the fallout and needs some long term liquidity in a stronger currency.

Also what's with that graph? Don't it seem to show normal growth in food prices atm?
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Maybe I don't know as much about futures as I had presumed. However, the fact remains that there hasn't been significant alignment with other commodities and QE. The increase in grain prices is much more the property of shortages and speculation than of QE, further most of this speculation is based on these shortage factors than QE. Further it seems like your argument is that QE is causing speculation, do I understand this correctly?

Also I dissagree with your analysis that food, metals and oil prices spiked in 08 because of speculation. Oil prices for one spiked in 07 not 08 where they began receding. Particularly after a decline in US demand. The food shortage in 08 was a supply shortage that culminated from a lot of factors including speculation, a shortage and bio-fuels in the North American market. Also metals spiked with US demand and the recession in a similar way that oil did, and bounced back for a myriad of other reasons. However some precious metals like gold and such actually only began serious inclines at this time when metals like copper were dropping.

This is not a price change that is indicative of fears of QE but of market fluctuation related to supply and demand.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13927672 - 02/08/11 02:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

There are a couple of grains whose price has surged largely because of shortages due to unfavorable weather but other commodities have no supply imbalance to account for their rise.

Believe what you want, smart money always moves into commodities on inflation fears. Always has, always will.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zorbman]
    #13927689 - 02/08/11 02:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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There are a couple of grains whose price has surged largely because of shortages due to unfavorable weather but other commodities have no supply imbalance to account for their rise.






Wouldn't a shortage of one grain increase demand on the others?:facepalm:


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zorbman]
    #13927931 - 02/08/11 03:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yes but one grain is basically replaceable for another in most uses (excluding some commercial uses). So obviously they increase in price rather uniformly. For example Russia will import rice, corn or fonio if need be to make up for it's lack of Rye, barley and oats.

If the problem is QE why has the increase in food prices so disproportionate to other commodities?


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13928799 - 02/08/11 05:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Money is worth the papers its printed on, right?


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: RealRollForever]
    #13932620 - 02/09/11 09:25 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Mr.FED (Bernanke) just said:



"In addition, inflation is expected to persist below the levels that Federal Reserve policymakers have judged to be consistent over the longer term with our statutory mandate to foster maximum employment and price stability."


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13934392 - 02/09/11 03:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

EVERYTHING the Fed says is a lie.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Shins]
    #13934568 - 02/09/11 03:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Pretty much, the last douche who left as fed chairperson had to renounce basically their entire view of economic policy. Meet the new boss same as the old.

That said, I wanted to re-iterate that the whole connection of the QE to the riots in this thread is both false and extremely forced. Not only is there no proven link between the QE and the food prices the link between the riots and the food prices is marginal at best.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13934691 - 02/09/11 04:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Well, i think at the least, the "money printing" is causing people to turn to more commodities for investing and speculating, so i believe it has at least a partial effect.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Shins]
    #13934706 - 02/09/11 04:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I like how not everyone on here is blindly believing the bullshit they are fed

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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Shins]
    #13934873 - 02/09/11 04:48 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

QE is a partial effect on food prices by prompting a surge in commodities, and the food prices are a small component of the riots going on in Tunisia and Egypt. So if you whip out your microscope and look closely you can see a link between QE and the riots. However this is a far cry from the post topic and the article cited in the OP claims that it is the major factor.

I also think that uncertain economic futures in economic leaders like the EU and US are causing people to look to commodities more than QE.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13934944 - 02/09/11 04:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

well, in the case of egypt, what about all of the billions borrowed on loan due to the federal reserve system that the US gives to that tyrant regime?


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Shins]
    #13935009 - 02/09/11 05:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Off the printer and down the drain. However, there probibly wouldn't be any riots now if it weren't for that aid since the regime probibly would have been ousted years ago.

Still these are not the claims of the OP article or post topic, nor are they necessarily related to QE. How often do you hear people in the US government claim that they want to cut military spending and military aid to balance the budget? It's often the other way around, everything else gets a look at taking a cut while military spending and aid largely gets a pass (and this is Israel/trade-canal related aid so it gets a minimum tipple pass).


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Shins]
    #13935132 - 02/09/11 05:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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EVERYTHING the Fed says is a lie.




On their website they have a really snidey FAQ with the question "who owns the fed" and it says no-one owns it blah blah what a load of misdirecting shit.  if no-one owned it then it wouldn't be there.  The US gov would create currency itself and they would not create it at a debt to benefit shareholders.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm#5

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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: nice1]
    #13935190 - 02/09/11 05:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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What are the Federal Reserve's responsibilities?

Today, the Federal Reserve's responsibilities fall into four general areas:

    * conducting the nation's monetary policy by influencing money and credit conditions in the economy in pursuit of full employment and stable prices
    * supervising and regulating banking institutions to ensure the safety and soundness of the nation's banking and financial system and to protect the credit rights of consumers
    * maintaining the stability of the financial system and containing systemic risk that may arise in financial markets
    * providing certain financial services to the U.S. government, to the public, to financial institutions, and to foreign official institutions, including playing a major role in operating the nation's payments systems





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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13935235 - 02/09/11 05:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah its a fucking joke - the spin and brainwashing attempt is ridiculous

"protect" "safety" "stable"

No its greed, manipulation and control.

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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: nice1]
    #13935760 - 02/09/11 07:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Well I dono bout that, what I meant is that they've failed on all 4 of those objectives. It's hilarious that they have failed to do the things that they themselves claim to be their responsibilities. I mean why does this organization have a list it's website of it's "responsibilities" and the list is entirely populated with things they have completely fucked up and continue to still?

It might not be lying though, it just says it's their responsibilities, It does not claim that they are trying to do them, succeeding at them in any way or not actively trying to sabotage those ambitions.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13938236 - 02/10/11 07:54 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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the whole connection of the QE to the riots in this thread is both false and extremely forced. Not only is there no proven link between the QE and the food prices the link between the riots and the food prices is marginal at best.





I'll be sure to bump this thread next year (QE5) when the food inflation riots have reached our country...


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lonestar2004 said:
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ScavengerType said:
the whole connection of the QE to the riots in this thread is both false and extremely forced. Not only is there no proven link between the QE and the food prices the link between the riots and the food prices is marginal at best.





I'll be sure to bump this thread next year (QE5) when the food inflation riots have reached our country...



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    #13938428 - 02/10/11 09:12 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:grin:


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    #13938966 - 02/10/11 11:37 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Unless we see more supply shortages this year, by all means, you'll probibly be forced to eat your words.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13939992 - 02/10/11 02:52 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Fed inflation hawk Warsh resigns

Considered one of the most hawkish members of the Fed because he's vigilant about inflation risks, Warsh has served on the board since 2006.


It is unclear why Warsh resigned. He will officially leave his post at the end of March; his term was scheduled to expire in 2018.


He has recently spoken openly about his doubts of the Fed's controversial policy that pumps $600 billion into the economy through purchases of long-term Treasuries.

That policy is meant to stimulate the economy by keeping interest rates low, but critics argue it could spur inflation to rise too quickly.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/10/news/economy/fed_official_warsh_resigns/index.htm


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13941652 - 02/10/11 08:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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ScavengerType said:
Unless we see more supply shortages this year, by all means, you'll probibly be forced to eat your words.





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