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lonestar2004
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
#13894170 - 02/02/11 02:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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right! but are we really getting our money's worth using up theirs first?
how much of theirs and our own resources are we using just to be able to use all their resources up first?
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
#13894277 - 02/02/11 03:00 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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This shits got to go
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lonestar2004
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: nice1]
#13894442 - 02/02/11 03:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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this is just the beginning.
there are many poor countries that are having to deal with food inflation and after the FED starts QE number 3 a lot more countries will start to burn.
India: Vegetable prices have jumped by nearly 16% in the last few days
"The government is struggling to explain why"
Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/vegetable-food-inflation-spikes-a-teary-eyed-govt-blames-onions-74522?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+ndtv/Lsg&cp
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
#13894483 - 02/02/11 03:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why you think that the Fed buying government bonds is causing world food prices to rise is mysterious. Droughts and the growing economies of China and India, an overall rise in population, general unrest throughout the world, the actions of Europe and China regarding their currencies, all these things are of no consequence next to the mighty Fed's purchase of US securities.
Fucking nutty. And by "nutty" I mean downright batshit raving and drooling Al nutty.
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
#13895681 - 02/02/11 07:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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One day not too far in the future (QE5) i except to hear Zappa going bat shit crazy having to pay $100 dollars for a cup of coffee!
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
#13898386 - 02/03/11 08:17 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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At 54 I don't have any expectations of living that long.
You know who will really be crying? The bank that holds my 4.5% mortgage for $700,000.
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
#13898400 - 02/03/11 08:22 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Let's use all theirs up first.
Bingo! This is the bottom line folks and you heard it from the Master. Other wise they're a bunch of nobodies running around on camels eating dates and abusing women and we could give a shit.
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
#13907958 - 02/04/11 11:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, lonestar "Quantitative Easing" or in layman's terms: the printing of more money out of thin air (making each individual unit of that money worth less) does NOT I repeat NOT create bubbles in commodities! 
All that extra money just sits in a freaking vacuum doing nothing whatsoever.
Smart people DO NOT notice the currency losing value and protect their wealth by buying things with it that will retain value thereby creating a speculative bubble.
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zorbman]
#13908560 - 02/05/11 01:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think the treasury should shut down their printing facility till the USA gets back on its feet printing more money isnt helping any one.
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: demonofchaos]
#13908790 - 02/05/11 03:21 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its helping the European bankers who own the fed to keep the ponzi scheme going. Those parasites are beyond rich - they control the empire at the peoples expense.
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: nice1]
#13913827 - 02/06/11 01:18 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I couldn't have put it better myself.
They're working their game well though with their cultivated brain dead partisans on the left and right wasting their energy fighting each other while the real enemy goes undetected in their midst.
Elites on top of their game working their media whores like a champ. You gotta hand it to them.
When, if ever, will people catch on to these goddamn parasites?
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zorbman]
#13914387 - 02/06/11 05:12 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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People everywhere should start their own Ponzi schemes. When they get accused of fraud in court bring up their countries major bank and ask the court why they are allowed to run a fraudulent Ponzi scheme yet you are not.
Just one way of highlighting the fraud publicly.
I was thinking today the whole concept of money basically works on 2 human emotions. Greed and fear. Greed being when we invest to gain a return and fear being when we put our money back into gold and silver. These concepts are the exact mechanisms of a Ponzi scheme too.
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zorbman]
#13919144 - 02/07/11 12:49 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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zorbman said: Smart people DO NOT notice the currency losing value and protect their wealth by buying things with it that will retain value thereby creating a speculative bubble.
Food is a perishable commodity, if you did not notice. It's not like gold, you can't store it forever. Speculation may be driving up food costs, but that was true of the 08 grain price hike as well and isn't related to QE.
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zorbman]
#13926547 - 02/08/11 09:57 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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zorbman said: I couldn't have put it better myself.
They're working their game well though with their cultivated brain dead partisans on the left and right wasting their energy fighting each other while the real enemy goes undetected in their midst.
Elites on top of their game working their media whores like a champ. You gotta hand it to them.
When, if ever, will people catch on to these goddamn parasites?
they're going to start catching on very soon when we hit double digit inflation here in american. inflation always shows up in the poor countries first.
the fed admits its trying to create inflation but what are they going to do when they finally create it here?
will they raise interest rates with 10% unemployment? eventually they will have to but inflation could already be in the double digits by then.....it took them a decade to go from 7% interest rate down to 0 percent interest rate.
can they jump from 0 to 10% in a year?
lots of people will not be prepared, and prices rising faster than wages is going to suck big time.
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
#13926645 - 02/08/11 10:35 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Are you seriously trying to argue that US debt and Fed policy of buying bonds is causing food prices to rise in remote shitholes to such an extent that it is causing riots?
Please don't turn into Al.
IF not that then the shittons of grain that we feed our live stock. a a shit ton(1/3 i believe tho it may be more) of the world grains feed animals instead of ppl just so countries like ours can enjoy meat now n then.
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Apostle]
#13926669 - 02/08/11 10:41 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I predict Zappa will be on board by this fall.
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
#13926723 - 02/08/11 10:53 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Food is a perishable commodity, if you did not notice. It's not like gold, you can't store it forever.
Rich people and large financial entities don't normally purchase food for this purpose as food but rather in the form of futures contracts on those underlying commodities. And they get out of them before the contracts expire. They never take delivery.
Not too many people want 40 trucks unloading a mountain of grain onto their lawns.
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zorbman]
#13926794 - 02/08/11 11:14 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can't hold food futures for years buddy, in a short time food futures turn into food ATM and then you've only bought yourself a little extra time. Besides if people are buying food futures it is because they expect the price of food to rise and then they can sell them when they turn into food (speculation) not cause QE scares their pants off.
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
#13927070 - 02/08/11 12:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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ScavengerType said: not cause QE scares their pants off.
speaking of being scared when inflation hits (thanks to QE) and everyone in the world gets scared and starts dumping their low yield paying bonds causing interest rates to skyrocket wait until after the storm and find some big fat double-digit yields on some of the higher quality bonds. and
buy!
buy!
buy!
IMO that would be a great long term investment!
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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Apostle]
#13927092 - 02/08/11 12:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hologram said:
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zappaisgod said: Are you seriously trying to argue that US debt and Fed policy of buying bonds is causing food prices to rise in remote shitholes to such an extent that it is causing riots?
Please don't turn into Al.
IF not that then the shittons of grain that we feed our live stock. a a shit ton(1/3 i believe tho it may be more) of the world grains feed animals instead of ppl just so countries like ours can enjoy meat now n then.
Our consumption of meat has not significantly changed so why do you think it has anything to do with increasing food prices.
Hugely increased Chinese and Indian demand Disastrous harvests in Australia and Russia Ethanol
Those are things that changed. Positing a mostly static meat consumption in the US as a cause for a change elsewhere is idiotic.
Not a fucking thing to do with cattle or the Fed buying bonds. Do you know why they don't include energy and food in inflation measures? Because there is too much short term volatility in those markets.
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