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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Muufokfok]
    #13871174 - 01/29/11 01:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Hundreds detained in Saudi Arabia over protests (Unrest spreading?)

Saudi authorities detained hundreds of demonstrators on Friday in Jeddah who gathered to protest against poor infrastructure after deadly floods swept through Saudi Arabia's second biggest city, police and witnesses said. Some Jeddah streets remained submerged on Friday, and electricity was still out in low-lying parts of the city two days after torrential rains caused flooding that killed at least four people and swept away cars.

The protest came after mass messages sent over BlackBerry smart phones called for popular action in response to the flood, an unusual move in the Arab state at a time of spreading anti-government unrest…



http://www.daily-news-trends.com/news-2/hundreds-detained-in-saudi-arabia-over-protests-unrest-spreading/

not good!

man would Obama let Saudi Arabia fall?

would China let the Saudi leaders fall?


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13871325 - 01/29/11 02:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I should warn you lonestar that I've encountered globalresearch.ca and concluded it is the sort of newswire that basically prints more plausible conspiracy theories than other conspiracy theorist websites. However, in this one they aren't even claiming a clear reason why QE is causing food price increases, so what is the reason you think this is? Why does the USD effect food transactions that are being taken place in Rupees, Pounds or Euros?

It likely that bad harvests in key exporters would cause this kind of inflation, that's basic supply and demand curve economics. However, there is no simple economic reason why QE executed by one country should make food prices higher. I could see if QE devalued countries where it was used as a reserve's dollar, but I do not see how this would only extend to food. Why haven't energy costs increased noticeably? Why haven't other consumer goods, particularly essential ones increased?

Also, the riots in Egypt at current are about other economic factors than the price of food. Not to say it's a non-issue relating to the riots, but it isn't the reason for the riots at current.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13871513 - 01/29/11 03:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

When the government of a country prints money in excess, prices of food and commodities increase.

Americans pay for all the OIL we consume with shity printed DOLLARS!

its very simple!

i bring Saudi Arabia up because that country is the key!

what do you think would happen if Saudi Arabia stopped dealing Oil in Dollars?

Do you think that could hurt our reserve dollar status?

the printing alone is already making its status shit..

The OPEC countries are going to have to decide very soon if they will continue to let us starve their people with our shity dollars....


All this Blood is on the Feds Hands....


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13871587 - 01/29/11 03:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
When the government of a country prints money in excess, prices of food and commodities increase.



And we have more money. Yay!
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Americans pay for all the OIL we consume with shity printed DOLLARS!




Go us!  Yay!
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its very simple!

i bring Saudi Arabia up because that country is the key!

what do you think would happen if Saudi Arabia stopped dealing Oil in Dollars?




Nothing.
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Do you think that could hurt our reserve dollar status?



Now that's something.  Does that give us any benefit?
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the printing alone is already making its status shit..




Given the fact that US inflation is pretty low, no, it isn't.  Not yet, anyway.
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The OPEC countries are going to have to decide very soon if they will continue to let us starve their people with our shity dollars....




By the way, shitty dollars compared to what?
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All this Blood is on the Feds Hands....




Bullshit.  It's da Chews, Al.

Did you see this thread?


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13871799 - 01/29/11 04:15 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Right, but oil hasn't significantly increased in price as with other commodities. All I'm saying is it seems more likely that rather than QE the source of high global food prices might be global supply shortages.

The US's reserve status in immaterial to these claims that QE is causing high food prices. I am not making any claims regarding this here. I'm simply trying to say that the central premise (basically the topic of your post) is at current entirely false and that these claims that the Fed reserve is responsible for these riots and this unrest is laughable.

For one, food shortages have not been named as the causes of this unrest in Egypt. I've seen quite a few news outlets name inequity as the sole cause including the Al Jazeera coverage and no outlets naming food prices (though it is on any laundry list of complaints). In fact the only other factor named as the reasons for the riots is Egypt's lack of democracy.

Secondly, as I have already said you have offered no proof that QE is causing food prices to rise, rather than the clear economic factors of a supply side shortage. The article that you posted in your OP stated that QE was a greater cause of the rise in food prices than the supply shortages. Yet there is no explanation of this theory or why for example other commodities have not risen yet.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13872450 - 01/29/11 06:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

lonestar2004 said:

The OPEC countries are going to have to decide very soon if they will continue to let us starve their people with our shity dollars....




By the way, shitty dollars compared to what?
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All this Blood is on the Feds Hands....




Bullshit.  It's da Chews, Al.

Did you see this thread?



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these claims that the Fed reserve is responsible for these riots and this unrest is laughable.







Look Zappa and Scavenger (just seeing those two names together  makes me :rofl:) but where do you think all those dollars that the fed is printing end up?


They end up all over the world is where!

we are trying to create inflation here in America to help pay off our debt with shity dollars but we are also exporting inflation all over the world!

EVERYONE in the world pays the same price for something like wheat on the world market.

BUT wheat prices going up in american is not the same as some poor ass person living in the mid east!

A small increase in price is a BIG FUCKING DEAL to many people around the world and it could end in STARVATION for a lot of people.

And its not just the mid east thats getting food inflation.

Brazil china and s Korea are all having food price inflation.

Remember guys food means totally different things in the U.S. then in poor countries like the middle east and China.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13872521 - 01/29/11 06:31 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Look I think you've made pretty clear why your secretly my favorite conservative poster here.

I didn't know that zappa was making comments about the reserve currency because I have him on my ignore list, so I'm sorry if I seemed irritated that you kept bringing the subject up. I think the USD is going to have troubles as a reserve currency in the long term as I have made clear in other threads, but I don't see where you are going here with the two topics. The value of the USD hasn't significantly declined on international markets in this time-period when the QE is happening.

QE is not causing a rise in food prices, food shortages are and those riots are not the product of food shortages. Are you going to try to prove this claim named in the thread topic and your OP or not?


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13875683 - 01/30/11 09:43 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Norman Borlaug's legacy will remain tainted.

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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13875745 - 01/30/11 10:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

lonestar2004 said:

The OPEC countries are going to have to decide very soon if they will continue to let us starve their people with our shity dollars....




By the way, shitty dollars compared to what?
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All this Blood is on the Feds Hands....




Bullshit.  It's da Chews, Al.

Did you see this thread?



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these claims that the Fed reserve is responsible for these riots and this unrest is laughable.







Look Zappa and Scavenger (just seeing those two names together  makes me :rofl:) but where do you think all those dollars that the fed is printing end up?




The Fed doesn't print money, Al.  The treasury does.
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They end up all over the world is where!



So what? 
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we are trying to create inflation here in America to help pay off our debt with shity dollars but we are also exporting inflation all over the world!




Where's the inflation, Al?  It remains miniscule.  Sinec there hasn't been inflation to speak of (maybe I'll throw in a "yet") how could it possibly be causing these riots?  :flowstone:
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EVERYONE in the world pays the same price for something like wheat on the world market.




I don't think that's correct. 
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BUT wheat prices going up in american is not the same as some poor ass person living in the mid east!




Living in the middle east?  Those aren't poor countries.  The people are poor because they have kleptocrat governments who take all the money.  Doesn't have one dick's worth of difference what the Fed does.  And what about Europe?  And China?  And India?  Are they nothing?  I don't think so.
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A small increase in price is a BIG FUCKING DEAL to many people around the world and it could end in STARVATION for a lot of people.




They aren't starving because food is expensive or unavailable.  They are starving because it is stolen.
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And its not just the mid east thats getting food inflation.




You still haven't established that there is food inflation in the mid-east and wouldn't that be much more offset by oil inflation?  La fucking der.
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Brazil china and s Korea are all having food price inflation.




Link?  I don't see any riots there.
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Remember guys food means totally different things in the U.S. then in poor countries like the middle east and China.




:rofl2:

Those aren't poor countries.  The riots have nothing to do with the price of food and everything to do with their corrupt governments.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13875949 - 01/30/11 11:14 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Banks like the world bank were the ones that corrupted their governments.  They give them huge loans then when they can't pay they take the natural resources or whatever.  You wouldn't blame the governments for their corruption if you were aware of the tactics used by the world bank.  They basically have a choice between taking the bank loan or get fucked up.

I suspect the people know this and hence they want to over throw the gov that has been corrupted by the western bankers and get an honest currency system.  Same as we should do here in UK and over there in the US because the bankers create the money at a debt to our governments.  Thats a fraud - a ponzi scheme.  If I'm not mistaken the whole early history of the US was trying to do just that - fight off the western bankers so they could have an honest currency but they failed.




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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: nice1]
    #13875979 - 01/30/11 11:18 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

There is no such thing as predatory lending, only predatory borrowing.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13875987 - 01/30/11 11:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Right. :rolleyes:

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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13880749 - 01/31/11 08:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Where's the inflation, Al? 




Every time you call me "Al" i get that Paul Simon song stuck in my head you .ucking .orrid asshole....:grin:


Call Me Al


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13880823 - 01/31/11 09:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

and dont worry the inflation is coming here to America very soon.

this entire mess has a 70's 80's feel to it.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13889822 - 02/01/11 07:15 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Ron Paul on Egyptian chaos: 'We're responsible for a lot of the mess that is over there'


In an interview with Fox News Channel's Your World with Neil Cavuto, the libertarian Republican from Lake Jackson called for shutting off foreign aid not only to Egypt but to every nation in the Middle East.

"This is a typical example of what happens when we run on intervention-type foreign policies," Paul told Cavuto. "We get in the middle of these fights. We've been in the middle of this for thirty years now. We've given Mubarak 60 billion dollars.

We're responsible for a lot of the mess that is over there."


He said American foreign policies of both parties have left the U.S. in a difficult position.

"The big fight now is for us to be in charge," Paul said. "If Mubarak survives we want to be on his side. If they get a new guy, we want to be on their side. And I just think that doesn't work because eventually the people rebel. For awhile it seems to be stable, but it's so artificial."

His solution: "I wouldn't just cut off Egyptian. I would cut off all aid from the Middle East and maybe that whole area would be better off for it."






http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/02/ron_paul_on_egyptian_chaos_wer_1.html

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Zappa i feel bad for Israel but let it burn, let it motherfucking burn





Let it burn, let it motherfucking burn


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13889893 - 02/01/11 07:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Really?  You like radioactive glass all over the middle East?

Ron Paul is and always has been a moron.  As I have demonstrated over and over again, Al.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13893443 - 02/02/11 12:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Really?  You like radioactive glass all over the middle East?






not really, we'd probably have to take the pyramid off our dollar bills if the middle east was all just glass.

but other than that why do we have to be Globalcop in the middle east?


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13893556 - 02/02/11 12:46 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

but other than that why do we have to be Globalcop in the middle east?

Oil.


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: Icelander]
    #13893706 - 02/02/11 01:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

we have plenty of our own natural energy sources....


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Re: The Feds Money Printing is causing Riots all over the World! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13893792 - 02/02/11 01:31 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Let's use all theirs up first.


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