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Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical.
    #13851752 - 01/26/11 02:28 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

So one of the shroomerys sponsor sites, "Avalon Magic Plants," claims to be selling live peyote cacti for $25 a piece. I'm skeptical to purchase. Unlike San Pedro and Peruvian Torch, Peyote is illegal. I've never come across sites selling illegal stuff before. What do you guys think?

Here is the url for the site/peyote:

http://www.avalonmagicplants.com/cacti/peyote-decipiens-cactus.html


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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: wutthe4k]
    #13851769 - 01/26/11 02:33 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

damn I mean it is a sponsored site..

Makes me want to get some, that looks nice! hahahah

I am curious as to if this is legit as well

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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: wutthe4k]
    #13851779 - 01/26/11 02:36 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

It may not be able to be shipped in the US...It says to contact them with questions about shipping rules.


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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: wutthe4k]
    #13851787 - 01/26/11 02:38 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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wutthe4k said:
So one of the shroomerys sponsor sites, "Avalon Magic Plants," claims to be selling live peyote cacti for $25 a piece. I'm skeptical to purchase. Unlike San Pedro and Peruvian Torch, Peyote is illegal. I've never come across sites selling illegal stuff before. What do you guys think?

Here is the url for the site/peyote:

http://www.avalonmagicplants.com/cacti/peyote-decipiens-cactus.html





Quick research on erowid dude.
It's not 100% illegal. Some/most states get away with "Religious" purposes but i really don't know how that works. So maybe if you're a native of american :smoker:


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" U.S. STATE LAW #
Laws regarding peyote vary from state to state, with many states allowing "bona fide religious use" of peyote as an exception to the controlled substance laws. Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Wisconsin, and Wyoming all offer some limited exceptions to the peyote laws for religious use. See Peyote Foundation's State Law Page (cache)

In states such as Arizona, Colorado, Minnesota, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, and Utah, peyote may be used by any bonafide relgious organization. In Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, South Dakota, and Wisconsin, use of peyote is only protected within Native American Church ceremonies. In Kansas, Texas, and Wyoming use is only protected for members of the NAC, and Idaho and Texas require some "Native American Heritage" in order to be exempt.

California #
California law states that "every person who plants, cultivates, harvests, dries, or processes any plant of the genus Lophophora, also known as peyote, or any part thereof shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of not more than one year or the state prison." (Health & Safety Code:Ch.6,Art.3,Sec.11363) This is notable because the wording includes the entire Lophophora genus, not just Lophophora williamsii.
Utah #
Utah Supreme Court ruled that peyote use in "bona fide" religious ceremonies, regardless of the race of the participants, is protected under Utah and Federal Law in Utah. The court wrote: "On its face, the exemption applies to members of the Native American Church, without regard to tribal membership. The bona fide religious use of peyote cannot serve as the basis for prosecuting members of the Native American Church under state law." See: Salt Lake Tribune, June 23 2004, Utah State Supreme Court Decision"




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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: navarone89]
    #13851816 - 01/26/11 02:46 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

The only Lophophora that is scheduled in The USA is Williamsii. Pretty sure all are illegal in California though.


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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: Othyem]
    #13851823 - 01/26/11 02:48 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

they claim to sell that one too lol it's right here:

http://www.avalonmagicplants.com/cacti/peyote-cactus-medium.html

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The only Lophophora that is scheduled in The USA is Williamsii. Pretty sure all are illegal in California though.




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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: wutthe4k]
    #13851839 - 01/26/11 02:56 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Lots of sites sell them, they aren't illegal to posses in some other countries. In there info: Customs
Avalon Magic Plants does not guarantee that customs do not confiscate the products ordered by you. If such is the case Avalon Magic Plants will not refund any payments to you, but will upon receipt of proof of confiscation, resend the product one more time. If the goods ordered are illegal in your country we will not reship it because your customs will seize it again. So allways check the legal status of the products before ordering them.


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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: wutthe4k]
    #13851842 - 01/26/11 02:57 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Even if you were to buy it, you wouldnt be able to harvest any mescaline from it without letting it grow for another 12 years or so. Peyote is very slow aging and takes many, many years for it to fully mature with its alkaloids.

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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #13851848 - 01/26/11 03:00 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

the order page says that it's been growing for 3 years and is ready to harvest?

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Even if you were to buy it, you wouldnt be able to harvest any mescaline from it without letting it grow for another 12 years or so. Peyote is very slow aging and takes many, many years for it to fully mature with its alkaloids.

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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: wutthe4k]
    #13851898 - 01/26/11 03:19 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

A 3 year old peyote is a baby. Im 99.99% sure that if you harvest and eat it you will feel very minimal to absolutely no effects. Peyote takes a good 15-20 years to get its mescaline. Theres no magic way of speeding that up. I wouldn't trust it. Unless you want to buy and grow it, then you can do that.


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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #13851929 - 01/26/11 03:33 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

damn scams! everyone is out to screw you!


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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #13851964 - 01/26/11 03:44 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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A 3 year old peyote is a baby. Im 99.99% sure that if you harvest and eat it you will feel very minimal to absolutely no effects. Peyote takes a good 15-20 years to get its mescaline. Theres no magic way of speeding that up. I wouldn't trust it. Unless you want to buy and grow it, then you can do that.




Doesn't grafting it onto the top of certain columnar cacti speed up the growth process?


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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: monkeyheaven]
    #13852105 - 01/26/11 05:08 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Yes thats what ive heard.


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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #13852137 - 01/26/11 05:22 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

some dude showed me a place that ships to the us , some people shi , well, sell, lsd, on line , but how do you now if they're legit ? i mean, plus you can't list vendors, and i wouldn't buy lsd online if i get get hbwr, more euphoric, pure and clean

but , it hurts your insides a bit ..... always a pain to eat those seeds, but better than booze yeah , hbwr lets you talk to the god in you , booze lets you talk to god without him responding ..... or caring.... and then you puke,......


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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: leery11]
    #13852622 - 01/26/11 10:31 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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some dude showed me a place that ships to the us , some people shi , well, sell, lsd, on line , but how do you now if they're legit ? i mean, plus you can't list vendors, and i wouldn't buy lsd online if i get get hbwr, more euphoric, pure and clean

but , it hurts your insides a bit ..... always a pain to eat those seeds, but better than booze yeah , hbwr lets you talk to the god in you , booze lets you talk to god without him responding ..... or caring.... and then you puke,......




hwbr is tangibly different though in its effects


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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #13852632 - 01/26/11 10:34 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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masterfluffypants said: Peyote takes a good 15-20 years to get its mescaline. Theres no magic way of speeding that up.



Except as you mentioned, to buy seeds and grow it :smile: 

Peyote is expensive, instead drop your cash on some seeds and some pereskiopsis, graft some peyote(go for 100 if you wanna be safe) and grow those out for a year, drop 'em on soil and root them, a few years after that you'll have all the peyote you could want :smile:


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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: bbl337]
    #13855604 - 01/26/11 07:58 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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some dude showed me a place that ships to the us , some people shi , well, sell, lsd, on line , but how do you now if they're legit ? i mean, plus you can't list vendors, and i wouldn't buy lsd online if i get get hbwr, more euphoric, pure and clean

but , it hurts your insides a bit ..... always a pain to eat those seeds, but better than booze yeah , hbwr lets you talk to the god in you , booze lets you talk to god without him responding ..... or caring.... and then you puke,......




hwbr is tangibly different though in its effects





maybe we think so , tangibly but slightly , its superior in euphoria and clean feelings, you feel the synthetic nature of lsd, despite it feeling clean. cost wise for $14 you have a very powerful trip more powerful than 1 hit of acid, from hbwr, but , taking care to dose them properly .


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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: leery11]
    #13855859 - 01/26/11 08:41 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Peyote is illegal in america, so I would be surprised if they would be able to ship a whole peyote cactus to the states.
Also, I don't think that it takes 12 years to able to extract the mescaline. I'm pretty sure that it has mescaline throughout its life cycle, you just have to wait so long for the cactus to grow.


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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: Kaiser]
    #13856212 - 01/26/11 09:45 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Peyote is illegal in america, so I would be surprised if they would be able to ship a whole peyote cactus to the states.
Also, I don't think that it takes 12 years to able to extract the mescaline. I'm pretty sure that it has mescaline throughout its life cycle, you just have to wait so long for the cactus to grow.




Well yeah, but the amounts of mescaline it has as a baby is virtually nothing, meaning you would have to eat probably some unbearable amount of them. Peyote that grows in the wild doesnt even flower until its around 10 years old. Grafting it onto a San Pedro root stock will speed up the process, but even so it would still take many years.


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Re: Peyote for sale on this site. I'm skeptical. [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #13856542 - 01/26/11 10:52 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

peyote is NOT illegal in the USA, go to a state thet lets you use it , like Arizona, for any legitimate religious intention or go to a state that allows NAC ceremonies

though i understand not how the FIRST pot PATIENT got FEDERAL PERMISSION and the GOVERNMENT SENT HIM POT, he somehow filed some forms and asked them for it , this was before they had state laws, even before California had state laws if I recall

and anyway there are sites that ship stuff anywhere , i do not doubt there are legit peyote supplies that are not concerned with customers maybe, MAYBE doing stuff, since the peyote is legal in this nations they ship from,

you can't be TOO skeptical about things but you have to use strong common sense about them too, i honor the right to cultivate peyote which you could do in some states in the US anyway legally , but at the same time to get mescy you can get pedro etc, they grow very fast anyway .


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