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What a Tea Party budget looks like
    #13852892 - 01/26/11 09:55 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The Tea Party campaigned on scaling back the size of government, and now we know how they want to do it.

With Washington buzzing with proposals to cut the budget, Sen. Rand Paul and Rep. Michele Bachmann -- two high-profile Tea Party members -- have each released laundry lists of spending cuts.

Among Paul's proposals: gut the Department of Energy and the Department of Education and sharply curtail discretionary spending. :toast:

The cuts:

legislative branch -- 23%
federal courts -- 32%
Agriculture Department -- 30%
Commerce Department -- 54%
Health and Human Services -- 26%
Homeland Security -- 43%
Interior Department -- 78%

The legislation also lists programs for elimination. How about ... the Affordable Housing Program, the Commission on Fine Arts, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, the National Endowment for the Arts, the National Endowment for the Humanities and the State Justice Institute.


Bachmann would replace farm subsidies with farmer savings accounts, eliminate or dramatically scale back the Department of Education (save $29 billion or $31 billion) and slash programs at the Department of Justice ($7.8 billion).

She would also cap Veterans Affairs health care spending, privatize the Transportation Safety Administration, Federal Aviation Administration and Amtrak, repeal the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law, and open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to leasing.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/26/news/economy/tea_party_budget/


Its a good start. But I’ll believe it when I see it.


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13852918 - 01/26/11 10:00 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

are they gunna cut some of the go and murder people whole live in other countries budgets? I hate paying taxes when it goes towards taht shit like jet fighters to blast mudfarmers to death. I got no problem paying if its to help pay for a person with cerebral palsies wheelchair or a poor kids college edumacation who is trying to learn.


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13852943 - 01/26/11 10:06 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Michele Bachmann would replace farm subsidies with farmer savings accounts, eliminate or dramatically scale back the Department of Education (save $29 billion or $31 billion) and slash programs at the Department of Justice ($7.8 billion).

She would also cap Veterans Affairs health care spending, privatize the Transportation Safety Administration, Federal Aviation Administration and Amtrak, repeal the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law, and open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to leasing.

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Yes but why cant she Privatize Fannie & Freddie?


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: argg]
    #13852950 - 01/26/11 10:07 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i hear you, why do we still have military bases in Germany Italy Korea and Japan?

are they paying us for that protection?


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13853184 - 01/26/11 10:50 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

with the crusades part X going on right now I know the german ones are set up with good hospitals to heal our soldiers and the korean ones are legit too as we are still at war in korea but the japanese ones really make no sense to have a large presence there but really the bases could be scaled back and spending on a huge war machine can be reduced if we had less war as this country has the ability to go into hyperwartime production if needed but it is to expensive to maintain that kind of shit all the time. Major empires fall because of it as will ours. I am all for super advanced R&D on the military if it save lives and making sure our guys have the best,safest,lightest,stylish,most lethal,durable,good fuel economy and overall most kick ass fighting force but to have it full scale all the time is retarded. I see that the GI bill helps former soldiers get edumacation but that costs a ton after their military welfare costs then school that is a large amount per person as a subsidized college for a regular student would not have the military costs involved then gets the grad a higher paying job so they pay more total dollars in taxes to help pay for more people to follow.

I would like to see the DOD get hammered and maybe a state run road/bridge construction company come out of it.If I am paying for a tone of people to work I would rather it be making our shit better here then shooting people somewhere else.


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13853225 - 01/26/11 10:57 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Its a good start. But I’ll believe it when I see it.




The problem will be getting the rest of congress to go along.


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: pothead_bob]
    #13853503 - 01/26/11 11:48 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like a good first step on paper, but I'll believe it when I see it.

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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: RationalEgo]
    #13853522 - 01/26/11 11:50 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

LOL I'd really like to see people be fed for so cheap without farmer subsidies. What would a gallon of milk cost without the dairy subsidies? 10 bucks? 15?


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: Mchaggis]
    #13853557 - 01/26/11 11:56 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Where is the federal government getting the money from to give to farmers in the form of subsidies?  (And how much of that money are they wasting in the bureaucratic process of re-distributing the wealth?)


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: pothead_bob]
    #13853594 - 01/26/11 12:02 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

and how much more would it cost us to feed the 50 million people on food stamps.

THEY GOT TO KEEP THE SHEEP FAT! :grin:


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: Mchaggis] * 1
    #13853616 - 01/26/11 12:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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LOL I'd really like to see people be fed for so cheap without farmer subsidies. What would a gallon of milk cost without the dairy subsidies? 10 bucks? 15?




it'd be easier to pay for more expensive food if they didn't take the money out of your pocket in the first place :rolleyes:


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: pothead_bob]
    #13853618 - 01/26/11 12:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Among Paul's proposals: gut the Department of Energy and the Department of Education and sharply curtail discretionary spending.

The cuts:

legislative branch -- 23%
federal courts -- 32%
Agriculture Department -- 30%
Commerce Department -- 54%
Health and Human Services -- 26%
Homeland Security -- 43%
Interior Department -- 78%

Some of this I agree with, some not at all.  As for the legislative branch, the ones on both sides clamoring for cuts in pay for everyone, proclaiming that we Americans need to learn to live with less, etc. It seems the epitome of hypocrisy. From 1990 to 2003 the jerk offs in congress gave themselves a raise of 57%. The only profession in America where job performance is not related to pay. They work on average 2 days a week, get huge benefits ( the same the complain about with other gov. workers) and yet flaunt the fact they all take a day off, paid for by you and I, to watch a freaking football game.

Avg. salary of those in the house is roughly two hundred grand a year. 435 members total, each being paid about 15 grand a month per, or 7 million total. Well, lets see what has the american public gotten for their 7 million this month? A symbolic vote? Yes these assholes have wasted our money on a bill which they knew would never pass, yet for nothing more than political theater, and grandstanding by these people we all get to pay. This from the very congressmen that screamed and cried about inefficient government, gov. waste, out of control gov. spending, etc. They seem to have no problems wasting our money now, on this ridiculous waste of time and limited taxpayer resources.

I guess we have no other pressing issues at hand. For all the talk of the economy and need for jobs, job killing taxes, job killing initiatives, job killing restrictions, job killing legislation, etc. I can't see where wasting taxpayers dollars on a pretend vote has done anything to improve the economy or bring jobs to this nation. Perhaps they were contemplating on the need for another four billion dollars to further upgrading their fleet of 24 private jets they get to go on when taking their families on tax funded vacations.

Homeland security? Why not just roll out the red carpet for the Mexicans? Its a travesty that we already provide them with food and water at various stops along their illegal border crossings, and then exclude these areas from being patrolled by our agents.

I think some programs in the dept. of education are necessary, such as providing loans to needy students, the last thing we need here are more fodder for the jerry springer show retards walking the streets.

I've also heard the tea party types speak of massive cuts to entitlement programs. It was actually funny in a hypocritical asshole type of way when the congressman from New Jersey stated that that deep cuts had to be made in the states unemployment insurance fund. He stated it was far too generous to the unemployed and diminished any incentive for the unemployed to find work. What he failed to mention was that they had raided the unemployment fund for some 4.6billion dollars of the peoples money for other purposes. When those that had put money into the system went to collect as unemployment increased he had the balls to blame them for the lack of funds. The same can be said for the IOU's issued by the gov to SS. Then when they screw the people out of their money, they have the audacity to tell the taxpayer they have to live with less and accept the fate these thieves have brought down upon them.

Ultimately it seems the major issues are derived from a limited, diminishing tax base. Fewer workers paying in, more receiving benefits. Until NAFTA, and outsourcing are addressed the deficit will only continue to grow. Also, most reports state that illegals will cost us somewhere between 10-20 trillion over their lifetimes. This is the whole of the deficit. If all illegals are not deported and precluded for receiving federal benefits which they have never put a cent into, and the taxpayer must continue to finance we are screwed. I don't understand why our elected officials are too chicken shit to address this 800 lb. gorilla.

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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: Therian] * 1
    #13853703 - 01/26/11 12:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Outsourcing should only be addressed through lower corporate taxes and lower worker wages.


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: Therian]
    #13853823 - 01/26/11 12:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

if bachmann &co wanted to prove how mean-spirited and evil they are..then they have succeeded...but the actual amount of money in these programmes is so paltry that even completely eliminating them (let alone only 50%) would have an equally paltry effect on the deficit...

chris matthews has it down to a tea when he calls bachmann a "balloon head" ..ballooning deficits on more wasteful military adventures and throwing more jaywalkers in corporate prisons...

once again..the right has shown that they couldnt care less about how big the govt or how big the deficit gets.. so long as its going to entertain their own petty sadism and bigotry...


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: Annapurna1]
    #13854240 - 01/26/11 01:53 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think Tingles has any credibility left, nor you.

What bigotry?


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: Yrat]
    #13854257 - 01/26/11 01:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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LOL I'd really like to see people be fed for so cheap without farmer subsidies. What would a gallon of milk cost without the dairy subsidies? 10 bucks? 15?




it'd be easier to pay for more expensive food if they didn't take the money out of your pocket in the first place :rolleyes:



A valid argument.

The only reason I say that is we've become totally dependent on said subsidies, you can't just yank 'em away and expect everything to function perfectly. Subsidies and all government services are like addictive drugs that the American people will have to learn to live without.


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: Mchaggis]
    #13854316 - 01/26/11 02:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Wean.  5 years is enough.  And stop the ethanol fraud entirely


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: Yrat]
    #13858152 - 01/27/11 03:41 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

> it'd be easier to pay for more expensive food if they didn't take the money out of your pocket in the first place :rolleyes:

Not to mention most farm subsidies go to large corporate farms, not to the small farm families they were originally intended to help.  If people are willing to cut a modest portion of their meat intake, the costs of farming drop drastically.  Farming meat is insanely expensive compared to farming produce.

> And stop the ethanol fraud entirely

That is huge as well.


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: Seuss]
    #13858366 - 01/27/11 06:23 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Farming meat is insanely expensive compared to farming produce.





only if you're producing more than your acreage can handle

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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #13858490 - 01/27/11 07:37 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

> only if you're producing more than your acreage can handle

When comparing apples to apples, raising meat on a given lot of land is much more expensive than raising produce on the same lot of land.  I'm not making any claims towards profitability of either, just expense (water, feed, fuel, etc).  Perhaps my wording is bad, as I am thinking in terms of efficiency of feeding people rather than monetary profitability.


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: Seuss]
    #13859413 - 01/27/11 11:40 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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If people are willing to cut a modest portion of their meat intake, the costs of farming drop drastically.  Farming meat is insanely expensive compared to farming produce.




The cost of farming the meat shouldn't matter so long as the cost is being passed on to the meat-eaters.  The farmers should be reimbursed in full.  (I eat about 4-8 oz of meat a day... is that too much?)


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: pothead_bob]
    #13859774 - 01/27/11 12:48 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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(I eat about 4-8 oz of meat a day... is that too much?)



Not as long as you pair it with a nice healthy salad like this one


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: pothead_bob]
    #13860813 - 01/27/11 03:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

> The cost of farming the meat shouldn't matter so long as the cost is being passed on to the meat-eaters.

Unsubsidized meat (specifically, beef) would be cost prohibitive for most people to eat.


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: Seuss]
    #13865420 - 01/28/11 11:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Bring on the unsubsidized beef.  It would probably be better for the environment.  Funny how things work themselves out.


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Re: What a Tea Party budget looks like [Re: pothead_bob]
    #13865439 - 01/28/11 11:29 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

> It would probably be better for the environment.  Funny how things work themselves out.

Yep.


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