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 Hippie3
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 Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation.  [Re: Teknion]
#1657920 - 06/24/03 05:50 AM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Teknion said:
When the TEK mentions watching for a "slime" coating, does it refer to water that gets starchy and murky during simmering?
that's corn starch you're seeing, and yes, it is the same thing that gives the slimy coating on the kernels/
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switchstants
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 Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: Hippie3]
#1657968 - 06/24/03 06:44 AM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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afoaf soaked a pot of cc overnight, and im wondering what should he do, as he did not cook it, should he throw it out and restart or is there something he can do, a certain amount of time he can cook it now perhaps? any help is greatly appreciated
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 Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: switchstants]
#1657969 - 06/24/03 06:52 AM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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oh, it was soaked slightly less than 24 hours, probably 22. if that helps. thanks again
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Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: switchstants]
#1658929 - 06/24/03 04:05 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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Great results Hitler!
Im glad youve had success with this tek. 
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Subject: Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation.
oh, it was soaked slightly less than 24 hours, probably 22. if that helps. thanks again
I have prepared jars with the soaking method and it does work, just not as good as simmering.
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Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: Hippie3]
#1658946 - 06/24/03 04:10 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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When I mine, the corn didn't get slimy so much as the water did. It got thick and murky. I just stirred in some cold water, strained it, filled the pot up again, stirred it some more, then strained, filled, stirred and strained again until the water was clear.
I wasn't sure from the instructions if the 30 minutes was supposed to start after the water started boiling, or as soon as the pot went on the stove. I took mine off less than 10 minutes after it started boiling.
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Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1658958 - 06/24/03 04:15 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cooking times vary greatly with amount being prepared, amount of water, and the temp. of your stove.
You can also pressure cook the corn right in the bottom of your PC @ 10 -12 psi for about 10-15 mins like you were cooking it. 
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Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: Effed]
#1659110 - 06/24/03 05:00 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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What were the drawbacks of soaking? I may be doing up some larger quantities soon, and am thinking about just soaking in five gallon buckets.
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Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1659375 - 06/24/03 06:39 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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When you cook the corn and then strain many times it removes a lot of the starch. With soaking it only removes the starch on the ouside portion of the corn. I found that soaking it just made it stick together and it didnt shake well.
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Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: Effed]
#1666736 - 06/27/03 06:17 AM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anyone trying to do bulk substrate with CC?
Would be curious to find out as it seems that its damn fast with colinization.
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Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: Ivan]
#1674674 - 06/30/03 05:31 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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do u need to PC it? or can u boil/steam it?
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Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: GWAR]
#1674706 - 06/30/03 05:47 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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My friends method of operation seems to be let corn soak at least 24 hours then depending on how quick you need to get things going,
1... boil for a good hour + then let cool like overnite then boil again, then PC for hour.
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2...after soaking for 24 hours, throw into bottom of PC and bring to boil for a hour or so, then place PC lid on. Pressure will start to rise and then at about 10 ish Psi. turn off heat. Corn will because of the water and pressure, soak up alot of water and get plump and burst.
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3... If you cant soak at least boil once then PC.
Then pour contents into a strainer then wash with tap water or spring water.
Let stand and drain for awhile. Then PC.
Seems to have worked for him..#1 and #2, especially #2
Haven't noticed any problems with to much moisture
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Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: SafeHaven]
#1675246 - 06/30/03 09:16 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you talking about Cracked corn, or popcorn?
I would think if you did that with cracked corn, all you would have would be mush.
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Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: SafeHaven]
#1675421 - 06/30/03 10:12 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Interesting. Whatever works for you.
You are making more work for yourself. 
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 Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: Effed]
#1679403 - 07/02/03 06:31 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey after reading this thread i wanted to try the cracked corn as well. Haven?t had a too good experience with whole corn (lota contams).
But this cracked thingie works really well only 4 days after innoc growth was visible and not just a little bit either. Almost ervery part of the jars has little white plucks of mycelium. Wonder how long colonisation will take. Strains are plantasia and talpalpa but tha plantasia is doing better. Will post when they are done. Thanks for the idea
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Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1680051 - 07/02/03 10:38 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry I should have explained it more, its what i do, to get basically cracked corn. By using the PC with it submersed and all the boiling in it makes the corn really break open good.
Plus I can get the corn for a like a dollar a 2# bag.
It makes alot of corn when I cook it the way I do.
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Re: Cracked Corn Substrate Preparation. [Re: SafeHaven]
#1680187 - 07/02/03 11:35 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I got 50# for $5.
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Imorph
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anybody know where commonly the best prices for popcorn in bulk are?
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Re: Cracked Corn Substrate. [Re: Imorph]
#1693200 - 07/07/03 01:24 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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how much vermiculite should you use?
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MicronMagick
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Well I was wondering how the other grains were prepared? The exact same length of time? If so this is the reason for the different colonization rates. And since you didn't post the exact moisture content rate for each grain mix. I'm 100% sure that the CC was the closest to optium and this is why it colonized faster.
You may or may not be aware of a tek I put together a few years back called Quart Jars for Retards. Your tek is very similar to this tek and I did say it can be used with any time of grain.
CC is a great option for those who want to simmer but want to do it quicker. It's able to get to it's optium moisture content quicker because the inside of the corn is exposed and this aborb the water much quicker. Then whole grains which need to wick the moisture though it's intact hull.
Hippie is right on about the starch issue and is present in any grain I've try and I'm pretty sure Effed is saying once you see this start of this slimeness your done. Anything past the start of it is bad.
That is one of the draw backs to CC Vs whole grains. The sliminess it the only sign to watch for where whole grain you can watch for the easier to notice popped kernals.
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Re: Cracked Corn Substrate. [Re: MicronMagick]
#1699859 - 07/09/03 02:03 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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which would you say is better: cracked corn or whole corn?
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