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Anonymous

Bush bashers
    #1384927 - 03/17/03 03:07 PM (21 years, 17 days ago)

Where were you when Clinton bombed Serbia and killed hundreds of innocent civilians?

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1384937 - 03/17/03 03:09 PM (21 years, 17 days ago)

I think I was still in high school.


But I see your logic, if Klintoon can get away with it, why should we bash Bush when its his turn to step up to the plate.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1384957 - 03/17/03 03:13 PM (21 years, 17 days ago)

I was sitting there, thinking "this is retarded". I can't do anything about that now, but the Iraq issue is current.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Phluck]
    #1384998 - 03/17/03 03:22 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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I can't do anything about that now, but the Iraq issue is current.


Well what can we do about the iraq issue, protest? Oh, that seemed to really influence Bush. Its frustrating, but hey, at least we'll have cheaper gas.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385024 - 03/17/03 03:29 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Actually gas won't be any cheaper. The oil does and always will belong to the Araqi people. However people want to con screw this the fact is the same. The US cannot take the oil as its own. Those who think this war is about oil are obviously not doing enough research and jumping to conclusions or jumping on blind bandwagons.

Edited by TackleBerry (03/17/03 03:31 PM)

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385042 - 03/17/03 03:33 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

"But I see your logic, if Klintoon can get away with it, why should we bash Bush when its his turn to step up to the plate. "
Oh so I guess since our last president killed some people our president now should be allowed to kill all he wants without anyone disagreeing with him. That makes perfect sense since every situation is exactly the same. Yep lets all see in black and white and see where that gets us. I'm not saying Clinton was right but I don't know enough info on the subject and it already happened and can't be changed. hes not our president anymore you know. And oh yea FUCK BUSH AND FUCK WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pride = ignorance!! If your too confident you can't see the problems with your decisions. Why are we fighting Iraq since we know they don't have a nuclear program and they are of no more threat then any other country that is anti-america. ITS OIL YOU FOOLS!!!!!!!!! BASH BUSH!!! BASH BUSH!!! And oh yeah about the whole clinton killed some ppl too thing haven't you ever heard of learning from our mistakes?? Screw it you closed minded fucks, go hide behind your country you war promoting bastards!

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1385053 - 03/17/03 03:36 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

I don't think the war is all about oil, I think its about Bush trying to finish his daddy's unattended business.
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The oil does and always will belong to the Araqi people.


Who exactly are the Araqi people?

Oh, and what the hell does "con screw" mean?


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1385054 - 03/17/03 03:36 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

You are correct TakleBerry...this is not about oil, but it's about Bush wanting to show his power and to portray the US as a <B>Hegemon</B>. I believe this is why the UN isn't supporting as well as he had hoped. This is why the UN was formed. To keep all nations on an equal status, to rid the world of hegemons.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385062 - 03/17/03 03:37 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

I was joking, geez, pull your head out of your ass once in a while and laugh.    :wink:


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385069 - 03/17/03 03:39 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

I'm sure that wasn't directed at me :wink:

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385072 - 03/17/03 03:40 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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Who exactly are the Araqi people?




The people living under a dictatorship and have no voice of there own.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1385074 - 03/17/03 03:41 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Gotta love people who beleive in imaginary lines..... :smirk:


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: shroomer girlie]
    #1385076 - 03/17/03 03:42 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Of course not sweetie I would have been more harse with your statement. :wink:

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1385086 - 03/17/03 03:44 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

The people living under a dictatorship and have no voice of there own.

Oh, I get it, I am an Araqi.......


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: shroomer girlie]
    #1385090 - 03/17/03 03:45 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Alright chica, if you are gonna be here for any length of time, you need to learn to use, and observe the response button, there is a little thing next to the title of the post that says [re:whoever]  that indicates the person that the poster is responding to.    :grin:


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385097 - 03/17/03 03:46 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

easy, let's TRY not to get too personal......


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385098 - 03/17/03 03:46 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

If I was talking to you then you would know it...No?

Edited by TackleBerry (03/17/03 03:47 PM)

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385101 - 03/17/03 03:47 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

"The US cannot take the oil as its own"

The U.S. has done worse things. I don't think we will directly steal the oil but I am sure they will control the market and make sure america gets the benefits. why not fight a real threat if its not about the oil. Why fight anyone?? one of the reasons we left England was to get away from the imperialism. Look at us now!

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385104 - 03/17/03 03:47 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

sorry ski...I tried that, but the comp is having problems and not letting me do it :wink:. I'll work on my techniques tho =)

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1385113 - 03/17/03 03:50 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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If I was talking to you then you would know it...No?


Huh? I'm really confused. Yes I would know if you were talking to me, but why are you asking. Dude, are you drunk, I'm not being an asshole, you're just confusing the hell out of me, and making some blatant spelling mistakes. Let me reiterate, I'm confused.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385114 - 03/17/03 03:52 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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one of the reasons we left England was to get away from the imperialism. Look at us now!





I guess we got away from imperialism and evolved. Maybe we should have stayed, no?

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385122 - 03/17/03 03:54 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

My mistake ski, I had just replied and saw your post. :smile:

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1385126 - 03/17/03 03:55 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Cool.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1385127 - 03/17/03 03:56 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Ugh.  Your avatar disgusts me (No offense to you).  I hate Michael Savage. 

Has anyone seen his show?  It's hard to watch it for five minutes with out him flashing his book across the screen.  It's also hard to watch when he is constantly talking over callers and cutting them off.  Almost as bad as O'Reilly. 

This guy is the reason why so many foreign nations loathe us.  Arrogance. 

Despite popular (state-side) belief, we are not almighty.  No one is innocent.  Everyone is just as guilty as everyone else in this game of human greed and treachery.

I'm angry tonight, does it show?  :ooo:
   


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1385146 - 03/17/03 04:00 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Hey, Im Angry too!! Lets fight... BITCH!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: angryshroom]
    #1385150 - 03/17/03 04:01 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Ehhh....I dunno, I'm more tired then angry  :wink:  "TiredMycologist"?  Nah... 


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1385153 - 03/17/03 04:02 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Where were you when Clinton bombed Serbia and killed hundreds of innocent civilians?

Don't forget- Clinton also bombed Iraq without going thru the UN on Feb 17, 2001.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Murex]
    #1385159 - 03/17/03 04:04 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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Where were you when Clinton bombed Serbia and killed hundreds of innocent civilians?

Don't forget- Clinton also bombed Iraq without going thru the UN on Feb 17, 2001.
 




Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou :smile:

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1385200 - 03/17/03 04:13 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

"guess we got away from imperialism and evolved. Maybe we should have stayed, no? "

Yes we should have stayed leaving the indians and blacks alone where they were living perfectly well till we can along and helped speed up the process of the distruction of the world. i feel a flame comin. america has had and still has plenty of oppression. the indians, blacks, cubans, irish, asians and middle eastern ppl. oh but thats in times of war or times that can benefit america's development so I guess its ok right?? The blacks aren't oppressed by the gov'n so much anymore so everything is perfect right? stick your head into the sand and just pretend that all is grand. Stop thinking america is perfect!! Its not. I have heard lots of ppl talk bad about other countries filtering media. america does the same with the media to make the other country look bad. Shit the other night the news they were talkin about how evil suddam will have iraq ppl killed if they help american forces. They were acting like its tragic and somethin only evil Iraq does. This is nothing new. Its call treason. America punishes traitors too. The punishment for treason in the U.S. is death by firing squad. anyway kind of got off topic but had to say something about that.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385234 - 03/17/03 04:20 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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"guess we got away from imperialism and evolved. Maybe we should have stayed, no? "

Yes we should have stayed leaving the indians and blacks alone where they were living perfectly well till we can along and helped speed up the process of the distruction of the world. i feel a flame comin. america has had and still has plenty of oppression. the indians, blacks, cubans, irish, asians and middle eastern ppl. oh but thats in times of war or times that can benefit america's development so I guess its ok right?? The blacks aren't oppressed by the gov'n so much anymore so everything is perfect right? stick your head into the sand and just pretend that all is grand. Stop thinking america is perfect!! Its not. I have heard lots of ppl talk bad about other countries filtering media. america does the same with the media to make the other country look bad. Shit the other night the news they were talkin about how evil suddam will have iraq ppl killed if they help american forces. They were acting like its tragic and somethin only evil Iraq does. This is nothing new. Its call treason. America punishes traitors too. The punishment for treason in the U.S. is death by firing squad. anyway kind of got off topic but had to say something about that.




I'll leave that quote for everyone else to laugh at.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385236 - 03/17/03 04:21 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

"Don't forget- Clinton also bombed Iraq without going thru the UN on Feb 17, 2001. "

So ok I get it since ppl have done evil things(clinton bombing ppl) that means anyone has the right too(as long as their a U.S. president of course). So I guess the next country that gets the idea of taking over a large portion of the world can look at nazi germany and justify their actions on the fact another did the same thing. Your right Im sorry.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385246 - 03/17/03 04:23 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Oh yeah, and if we left to get away from imperialism why should we have stayed? Oooooh yeah because you can predict the future. My mistake, sorry.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385252 - 03/17/03 04:23 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Not just you but also your flaming buddy above.....

Let's really try to keep this issue based. What is the point of sneering at each other? It only shows a lack of reasoning and lameness of creativity.....


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385260 - 03/17/03 04:24 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

How did America oppress the Cubans? If anything, the US caters to the Cubans because of the huge Cuban constituency in South Florida. You know what happens to Cubans when they step on American Soil?....they can stay. Do you know what happens to Hatians when they step on American Soil?...they get to rid in a Coast Guard cutter back to Haiti. Cool, eh?


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385263 - 03/17/03 04:25 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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"Don't forget- Clinton also bombed Iraq without going thru the UN on Feb 17, 2001. "

So ok I get it since ppl have done evil things(clinton bombing ppl) that means anyone has the right too(as long as their a U.S. president of course). So I guess the next country that gets the idea of taking over a large portion of the world can look at nazi germany and justify their actions on the fact another did the same thing. Your right Im sorry.




No it doesn't mean anyone has the right to. The question of the thread is why weren't you protesting then?

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385265 - 03/17/03 04:26 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

"I'll leave that quote for everyone else to laugh at. "

actually i was hoping you could argue against any point I made. Sure ppl will laugh but laughing is the easiest way to ignore any statement.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385269 - 03/17/03 04:27 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

That's not what I was trying to say.

Clinton bombed Iraq with no warning whatsoever, and we didn't care too much it seemed. Well, he did do this right after the Monika Lewinsky scandal broke so that bombing Iraq could be on the newspaper headlines instead of the president getting head from a fat chick. But my point is, that we seem to be holding a grudge against Bush when he wanted to end this diplomatically as opposed to just bombing the fuck out of them with no warning.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Murex]
    #1385277 - 03/17/03 04:29 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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. But my point is, that we seem to be holding a grudge against Bush when he wanted to end this diplomatically


Bush and diplomatically do not work in the same sentence.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1385278 - 03/17/03 04:29 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

No it doesn't mean anyone has the right to. The question of the thread is why weren't you protesting then?

Correct.  :wink:


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385280 - 03/17/03 04:29 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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"I'll leave that quote for everyone else to laugh at. "

actually i was hoping you could argue against any point I made. Sure ppl will laugh but laughing is the easiest way to ignore any statement.




Answer my other question then.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385287 - 03/17/03 04:31 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Bush and diplomatically do not work in the same sentence. = Grudge.

Don't get me wrong, I don't care for Bush all that much, but he doesn't deserve all this kinda stuff. Is it just a fad? I mean wtf?


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Murex]
    #1385307 - 03/17/03 04:37 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

"Clinton bombed Iraq with no warning whatsoever"

How can ppl protest something that they don't know is going to happen?? And once he did bomb them what would be the point of protesting something that has already happened?? I sure there were some protestors but the media didn't give them any attention so how would you know? The thing that upsets me the most is saying we aren't fighting the ppl of iraq just their leader but the war forces them to draft civilians and fight in the war against the U.S. So really we are fighting the Iraqi ppl.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Murex]
    #1385308 - 03/17/03 04:37 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

I just don't see how he tried to handle it diplomatically. Yes he went to the UN, but because he was pressured into it, by Powell especially.

I can't stand Bush, can't trust him, and yes, I have a grudge, not with him, but with the American populace that put him in power. But hey, like Mr. Mushroom said, politics work in cycles, and the Democrates had their turn for too long, I just wish that the Republicans could've offered a better alternative, but hey, whatever.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385320 - 03/17/03 04:40 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

How can ppl protest something that they don't know is going to happen?? And once he did bomb them what would be the point of protesting something that has already happened?? I sure there were some protestors but the media didn't give them any attention so how would you know? The thing that upsets me the most is saying we aren't fighting the ppl of iraq just their leader but the war forces them to draft civilians and fight in the war against the U.S. So really we are fighting the Iraqi ppl.

Of course they couldn't protest it you dumbass. Were we angry at Clinton for doing it afterwards? No, we wern't. Why not? <--This is my point.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385328 - 03/17/03 04:43 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

I just wish that the Republicans could've offered a better alternative, but hey, whatever.

Do you really think Gore would be a superior president?  :shocked:

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Murex]
    #1385342 - 03/17/03 04:45 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Hmmmm, Gore a better president? I really don't know, I can't stand Gore, but damn, Bush is shit, and its not so much Bush, but his Administration. I mean come on, Rumsfield and Ashcroft, wow, that's a dream team.......


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385350 - 03/17/03 04:47 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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I just don't see how he tried to handle it diplomatically. Yes he went to the UN, but because he was pressured into it, by Powell especially.

I can't stand Bush, can't trust him, and yes, I have a grudge, not with him, but with the American populace that put him in power. But hey, like Mr. Mushroom said, politics work in cycles, and the Democrates had their turn for too long, I just wish that the Republicans could've offered a better alternative, but hey, whatever.




Hey, America was attacked within its borders on September 11, 2001. As written in the oath that Bush took to become President he MUST do what ever is necessary to protect this country and its people. Hussien may not be a big threat now, but will be later. If we have someone in office like Clinton at the time Hussien becomes a threat nothing will get done.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1385368 - 03/17/03 04:50 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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Hussien may not be a big threat now, but will be later.


Well that is pure speculation. And if we're concerned with threats, why didn't we try to quell the situation with North Korea?

I'm not saying Saddam should be left to his own devices, all I'm saying is that Bush could have handled the situation much differently, and he could have persued different paths if he was truly concerned with America's security.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385379 - 03/17/03 04:53 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

North Korea came up after the matter at hand.

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    #1385384 - 03/17/03 04:53 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

"How did America oppress the Cubans?"

They destroyed their economy which isn't oppression but it's not nice either. And if your cuban do you think you will have a decent job that pays as well as a white person could get. I will look it up later and I am sure I'll find many ways america has oppressed cubans. We hate communism. Cuba is communist. most ppl of america don't realize immigrants probely left cause they don't agree with their government, so we treat them like they believe in the ways of where they are from. Thats oppression I guess(by ppl not gov'n). and if not and I am wrong on one thing then I guess you should dismiss everything else I said since i have to be perfect to have an opinion.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385388 - 03/17/03 04:55 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

I'm not saying Saddam should be left to his own devices, all I'm saying is that Bush could have handled the situation much differently, and he could have persued different paths if he was truly concerned with America's security.

What else could we have done? Havent we exhausted all efforts to disarm Iraq besides war allready? What the hell els should we have done? Nothing? Should we just let him keep making more biological weapons and maybe eventually nukes?

Hussain is more a war monger than Bush!

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1385390 - 03/17/03 04:55 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

North Korea has been brewing for a while now, and if North Korea came up too late, why didn't we deal with Pakistan and India, for a while there it looked like it was going to escalate into something ugly, and its still not pretty.



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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385395 - 03/17/03 04:56 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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"How did America oppress the Cubans?"

They destroyed their economy which isn't oppression but it's not nice either. And if your cuban do you think you will have a decent job that pays as well as a white person could get. I will look it up later and I am sure I'll find many ways america has oppressed cubans. We hate communism. Cuba is communist. most ppl of america don't realize immigrants probely left cause they don't agree with their government, so we treat them like they believe in the ways of where they are from. Thats oppression I guess(by ppl not gov'n). and if not and I am wrong on one thing then I guess you should dismiss everything else I said since i have to be perfect to have an opinion.




Maybe because of the Cuban Missile Crisis?

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385399 - 03/17/03 04:57 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

North Korea has been brewing for a while now, and if North Korea came up too late, why didn't we deal with Pakistan and India, for a while there it looked like it was going to escalate into something ugly, and its still not pretty.

Because Pakistan and India for the most part are friendly people compared to Iraq or Korea.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1385408 - 03/17/03 04:59 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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Hussien may not be a big threat now, but will be later.



How do you come to that conclusion? He never was and never will be a threat to the U.S. The U.S. foreign policy is what has led to terrorism on our own soil. Our biggest problem is a foreign policy that is more concerned with projecting an American business presence (including sales for the military industrial complex) all over the world than actually protecting our borders (did you know there are Muslims coming across our border from Mexico but NOBODY has the political will to seal the border?).

We should heed the advice of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Dwight D. Eisenhower, no entangling or permanent alliances and beware of the military industrial complex. Government should butt out of the business of promoting business overseas, bring our troops home (currently stationed in approx 140 countries and territories across the globe) , abandon the quest for Empire and restore the Republic.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Murex]
    #1385409 - 03/17/03 05:00 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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Hussain is more a war monger than Bush!

Do you disagree?


Well lets see, who has Saddam attacked in the last year?........ And who as Bush attacked?.........

That is not to say I like Saddam, or I think he should be left alone, but Bush could have built his case better, and gained more support, rather than kicking in the doors of the UN like some Wild Wild West Saloon, with guns blazin, shoutin " Imma kill me some Dune Coons, who's with me?"


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385418 - 03/17/03 05:02 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

And if we're concerned with threats, why didn't we try to quell the situation with North Korea?

Okay, this is not directed solely at you, skikid.

I see way too many posts here asking "What about North Korea?"

As everyone here SHOULD be aware, the US has been proposing a diplomatic solution (multilateral peace talks) since practically the first day after North Korea announced its intention to go nuclear. I thought all you guys are in FAVOR of trying diplomacy first, so I am a bit confused.

Hell, diplomacy has been tried in Iraq for 12 years. Sanctions have been tried in Iraq for 12 years. Yet Hussein has yet to fulfill a single condition of the 1991 surrender. So in the case of Iraq, I can understand why many feel that diplomacy has failed.

But seeing as how it hasn't even been 12 weeks in the case of North Korea, I think it a bit premature to discard diplomacy, don't you?

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    #1385420 - 03/17/03 05:02 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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Actually gas won't be any cheaper. The oil does and always will belong to the Araqi people. However people want to con screw this the fact is the same. The US cannot take the oil as its own. Those who think this war is about oil are obviously not doing enough research and jumping to conclusions or jumping on blind bandwagons.




This is one of the most educated statements i've heard on this topic yet, on this website anyway, which happens to be mainly libbies.

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    #1385423 - 03/17/03 05:02 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

I can see everyones point perfectly clear. Since no one seemed to protest clinton why care about bush. Well ppl change and media also changes ppl. Do you ppl know everything everyone is thinking?? you must cause you act like no one cared what clinton did since their weren't massive protests. Your saying ppl didn't protest clinton so they don't have the right to protest bush. Ok you can have that opinion i just don't feel the same way. Thats seeing in black in white.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385427 - 03/17/03 05:03 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

You are an idiot.


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    #1385433 - 03/17/03 05:05 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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  (did you know there are Muslims coming across our border from Mexico but NOBODY has the political will to seal the border?).





Thanks to the democrats and the rest of the bleeding heart liberals crying that we should help illegal immigrants with our hard earned money.  Good point though :smirk:

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    #1385438 - 03/17/03 05:07 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

jumping on blind bandwagons.

That alone sums up most of theze anti-war people.  :wink:


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1385440 - 03/17/03 05:08 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Hussain is more a war monger than Bush!

Do you disagree?

Yes

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    #1385446 - 03/17/03 05:09 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

You are an idiot.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Phred]
    #1385449 - 03/17/03 05:10 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

See now we are having way to many arguments. Tackle mentioned how Saddam is, and will be a threat, so on the basis of threats, I argued that North Korea presented a much greater threat.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385453 - 03/17/03 05:12 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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. But my point is, that we seem to be holding a grudge against Bush when he wanted to end this diplomatically


Bush and diplomatically do not work in the same sentence. 




What the fuck have we been doing for the last 4 months with 1441 then?  Hell, what the fuck have we been doing for the last 12 years since the end of the gulf war? 

Seems to me it's YOU who needs to get your head out of your ass.  :smile: 


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Murex]
    #1385459 - 03/17/03 05:13 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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You are an idiot.




That's quite the argument. Cool.


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    #1385462 - 03/17/03 05:15 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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Actually gas won't be any cheaper. The oil does and always will belong to the Araqi people. However people want to con screw this the fact is the same. The US cannot take the oil as its own. Those who think this war is about oil are obviously not doing enough research and jumping to conclusions or jumping on blind bandwagons.




This is one of the most educated statements i've heard on this topic yet, on this website anyway, which happens to be mainly libbies.




Thankyou.


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    #1385463 - 03/17/03 05:15 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

"You are an idiot."

Direct insults are no way to have a discussion. If your going to insult me back it up with some text as to why you feel I am an idiot. Saying someone is an idiot is another easy way of not having to explain your feelings on a subject. Once you have to resort to direct insults you have losts the argument and have no more to say to prove your point.

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    #1385465 - 03/17/03 05:16 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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You are an idiot.




That's quite the argument. Cool.




yeah, but it seems to be true so far.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1385474 - 03/17/03 05:19 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

What the fuck have we been doing for the last 4 months with 1441 then?

Do you remember back when Bush started all this Iraq talk? He didn't even want to involve the UN, then after he was finally pressured into dealing with the UN, any time Iraq would make some moves towards disarming, Bush would say its not enough, they need to disarm immediately.

I don't know, it just seems like Bush's mind has been made up since the beginning, but hey, that too is just speculation.


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    #1385475 - 03/17/03 05:20 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Tell me what I have said to be considered an idiot?? my opinions are different so you insult me. Oppression!!!!!!!! J/K

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    #1385487 - 03/17/03 05:23 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Hey look, its two peas in the idiot pod.

Hey bud, what intelligence have you brought to the table? Oh wait, I haven't seen any.




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    #1385501 - 03/17/03 05:27 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

No more insults please. Lets keep this on an intellectual level.

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save insults for OTD

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    #1385523 - 03/17/03 05:32 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

They started it.... :tongue: 

I hear you, and I'm doing my best.   


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
    #1385528 - 03/17/03 05:32 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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What the fuck have we been doing for the last 4 months with 1441 then?

Do you remember back when Bush started all this Iraq talk? He didn't even want to involve the UN, then after he was finally pressured into dealing with the UN, any time Iraq would make some moves towards disarming, Bush would say its not enough, they need to disarm immediately.

I don't know, it just seems like Bush's mind has been made up since the beginning, but hey, that too is just speculation.




Well, it is total speculation, and I don't think what you're saying it true, but.. look at the documents that were signed after the end of the gulf war, Iraq agreed to disarm and not posess weapons of mass destructions.. they never did any of the things the amendments state, the amendments also state if they don't live up to rules of the amendment that the war isn't over, and the US has the right to invade again to enforce the rules and enforce them to live by them. Bush had congressional approval more than 6 months ago, by the tredee to end the gulf war he didn't even need to do that! He didn't need to even go through the UN, he didn't need more inspectors to go in and more inspections to go on.. but he did, he didn't need to go through 4 months of meaningless run around the rosie bullshit inspections with inspectors and a guy named Hans who doesn't live up to the stipulations of his job. Bush didn't need to do any of this, but he did.. and he wanted it to work, he didn't want war. He has proved it. This is why you saying Bush and diplomicy don't go together is total 100% bullshit. He has exhausted every effort, 6 more months would produce nothing but more time for Saddam to play more games. He's been playing these games and laughing at us for the last 12 years. I am damn pround we now have a president who isn't a pussy that just sits around and let's Saddam do whatever the fuck he wants. He is a threat, he does have WMD.. and those WMD could be dispensed on us with one suitcase smuggled into this country. It's that easy.

Anyone who says Bush is more of a war monger and more of a world threat than Saddam is just a total idiot not even worth talking to. That is by far and away the biggest joke i've ever heard.

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    #1385577 - 03/17/03 05:43 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

"Anyone who says Bush is more of a war monger and more of a world threat than Saddam is just a total idiot not even worth talking to. That is by far and away the biggest joke i've ever heard. "

Bush has the power, the money, the people, and the weapons and technology. And is determined to go to war no matter what.

Saddam has some oil and antrax and would like to avoid a war with america.

If Saddam had the power bush has i think he would be a bigger threat but he doesn't have the power so he's not.

"is just a total idiot not even worth talking to."

Its much easier to say that then actually exchanging opinions and discussing them.

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    #1385594 - 03/17/03 05:47 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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.. and he wanted it to work, he didn't want war. He has proved it




How has he proved it?

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and those WMD could be dispensed on us with one suitcase smuggled into this country.


Exactly how could a WMD be dispensed on us with a suitcase?


And dude, if you are in such agreement with this war, why aren't you over there fighting?



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    #1385750 - 03/17/03 06:40 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

skikid16 writes:

any time Iraq would make some moves towards disarming, Bush would say its not enough

Remind us again what moves those were?

I don't know, it just seems like Bush's mind has been made up since the beginning...

He has said since the beginning and he said it again in his last speech -- there will be no war if Hussein steps down. All that has to happen to avoid lives being lost is for Hussein to take his billion dollars and his family and leave.

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    #1385885 - 03/17/03 07:17 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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Where were you when Clinton bombed Serbia and killed hundreds of innocent civilians?



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    #1386192 - 03/17/03 09:34 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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Where were you when Clinton bombed Serbia and killed hundreds of innocent civilians?



Most of the whining left leaners here would be strangly silent if it was Gore doing the same things as Bush. IMO anyway.


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