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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
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Bush and diplomatically do not work in the same sentence. = Grudge.

Don't get me wrong, I don't care for Bush all that much, but he doesn't deserve all this kinda stuff. Is it just a fad? I mean wtf?


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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Murex]
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"Clinton bombed Iraq with no warning whatsoever"

How can ppl protest something that they don't know is going to happen?? And once he did bomb them what would be the point of protesting something that has already happened?? I sure there were some protestors but the media didn't give them any attention so how would you know? The thing that upsets me the most is saying we aren't fighting the ppl of iraq just their leader but the war forces them to draft civilians and fight in the war against the U.S. So really we are fighting the Iraqi ppl.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Murex]
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I just don't see how he tried to handle it diplomatically. Yes he went to the UN, but because he was pressured into it, by Powell especially.

I can't stand Bush, can't trust him, and yes, I have a grudge, not with him, but with the American populace that put him in power. But hey, like Mr. Mushroom said, politics work in cycles, and the Democrates had their turn for too long, I just wish that the Republicans could've offered a better alternative, but hey, whatever.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
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How can ppl protest something that they don't know is going to happen?? And once he did bomb them what would be the point of protesting something that has already happened?? I sure there were some protestors but the media didn't give them any attention so how would you know? The thing that upsets me the most is saying we aren't fighting the ppl of iraq just their leader but the war forces them to draft civilians and fight in the war against the U.S. So really we are fighting the Iraqi ppl.

Of course they couldn't protest it you dumbass. Were we angry at Clinton for doing it afterwards? No, we wern't. Why not? <--This is my point.


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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
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I just wish that the Republicans could've offered a better alternative, but hey, whatever.

Do you really think Gore would be a superior president?  :shocked:

"I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking." -Bill Hicks



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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Murex]
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Hmmmm, Gore a better president? I really don't know, I can't stand Gore, but damn, Bush is shit, and its not so much Bush, but his Administration. I mean come on, Rumsfield and Ashcroft, wow, that's a dream team.......


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
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I just don't see how he tried to handle it diplomatically. Yes he went to the UN, but because he was pressured into it, by Powell especially.

I can't stand Bush, can't trust him, and yes, I have a grudge, not with him, but with the American populace that put him in power. But hey, like Mr. Mushroom said, politics work in cycles, and the Democrates had their turn for too long, I just wish that the Republicans could've offered a better alternative, but hey, whatever.


Hey, America was attacked within its borders on September 11, 2001. As written in the oath that Bush took to become President he MUST do what ever is necessary to protect this country and its people. Hussien may not be a big threat now, but will be later. If we have someone in office like Clinton at the time Hussien becomes a threat nothing will get done.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
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Hussien may not be a big threat now, but will be later.

Well that is pure speculation. And if we're concerned with threats, why didn't we try to quell the situation with North Korea?

I'm not saying Saddam should be left to his own devices, all I'm saying is that Bush could have handled the situation much differently, and he could have persued different paths if he was truly concerned with America's security.


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
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North Korea came up after the matter at hand.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
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"How did America oppress the Cubans?"

They destroyed their economy which isn't oppression but it's not nice either. And if your cuban do you think you will have a decent job that pays as well as a white person could get. I will look it up later and I am sure I'll find many ways america has oppressed cubans. We hate communism. Cuba is communist. most ppl of america don't realize immigrants probely left cause they don't agree with their government, so we treat them like they believe in the ways of where they are from. Thats oppression I guess(by ppl not gov'n). and if not and I am wrong on one thing then I guess you should dismiss everything else I said since i have to be perfect to have an opinion.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
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I'm not saying Saddam should be left to his own devices, all I'm saying is that Bush could have handled the situation much differently, and he could have persued different paths if he was truly concerned with America's security.

What else could we have done? Havent we exhausted all efforts to disarm Iraq besides war allready? What the hell els should we have done? Nothing? Should we just let him keep making more biological weapons and maybe eventually nukes?

Hussain is more a war monger than Bush!

Do you disagree?


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Is an elaborate dream?
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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
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North Korea has been brewing for a while now, and if North Korea came up too late, why didn't we deal with Pakistan and India, for a while there it looked like it was going to escalate into something ugly, and its still not pretty.



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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
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"How did America oppress the Cubans?"

They destroyed their economy which isn't oppression but it's not nice either. And if your cuban do you think you will have a decent job that pays as well as a white person could get. I will look it up later and I am sure I'll find many ways america has oppressed cubans. We hate communism. Cuba is communist. most ppl of america don't realize immigrants probely left cause they don't agree with their government, so we treat them like they believe in the ways of where they are from. Thats oppression I guess(by ppl not gov'n). and if not and I am wrong on one thing then I guess you should dismiss everything else I said since i have to be perfect to have an opinion.



Maybe because of the Cuban Missile Crisis?

Edited by TackleBerry (03/17/03 04:57 PM)

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
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North Korea has been brewing for a while now, and if North Korea came up too late, why didn't we deal with Pakistan and India, for a while there it looked like it was going to escalate into something ugly, and its still not pretty.

Because Pakistan and India for the most part are friendly people compared to Iraq or Korea.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
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Hussien may not be a big threat now, but will be later.


How do you come to that conclusion? He never was and never will be a threat to the U.S. The U.S. foreign policy is what has led to terrorism on our own soil. Our biggest problem is a foreign policy that is more concerned with projecting an American business presence (including sales for the military industrial complex) all over the world than actually protecting our borders (did you know there are Muslims coming across our border from Mexico but NOBODY has the political will to seal the border?).

We should heed the advice of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Dwight D. Eisenhower, no entangling or permanent alliances and beware of the military industrial complex. Government should butt out of the business of promoting business overseas, bring our troops home (currently stationed in approx 140 countries and territories across the globe) , abandon the quest for Empire and restore the Republic.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Murex]
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Hussain is more a war monger than Bush!

Do you disagree?

Well lets see, who has Saddam attacked in the last year?........ And who as Bush attacked?.........

That is not to say I like Saddam, or I think he should be left alone, but Bush could have built his case better, and gained more support, rather than kicking in the doors of the UN like some Wild Wild West Saloon, with guns blazin, shoutin " Imma kill me some Dune Coons, who's with me?"


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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
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And if we're concerned with threats, why didn't we try to quell the situation with North Korea?

Okay, this is not directed solely at you, skikid.

I see way too many posts here asking "What about North Korea?"

As everyone here SHOULD be aware, the US has been proposing a diplomatic solution (multilateral peace talks) since practically the first day after North Korea announced its intention to go nuclear. I thought all you guys are in FAVOR of trying diplomacy first, so I am a bit confused.

Hell, diplomacy has been tried in Iraq for 12 years. Sanctions have been tried in Iraq for 12 years. Yet Hussein has yet to fulfill a single condition of the 1991 surrender. So in the case of Iraq, I can understand why many feel that diplomacy has failed.

But seeing as how it hasn't even been 12 weeks in the case of North Korea, I think it a bit premature to discard diplomacy, don't you?

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: TackleBerry]
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Actually gas won't be any cheaper. The oil does and always will belong to the Araqi people. However people want to con screw this the fact is the same. The US cannot take the oil as its own. Those who think this war is about oil are obviously not doing enough research and jumping to conclusions or jumping on blind bandwagons.


This is one of the most educated statements i've heard on this topic yet, on this website anyway, which happens to be mainly libbies.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Dr. Slavic]
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I can see everyones point perfectly clear. Since no one seemed to protest clinton why care about bush. Well ppl change and media also changes ppl. Do you ppl know everything everyone is thinking?? you must cause you act like no one cared what clinton did since their weren't massive protests. Your saying ppl didn't protest clinton so they don't have the right to protest bush. Ok you can have that opinion i just don't feel the same way. Thats seeing in black in white.

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Re: Bush bashers [Re: Skikid16]
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You are an idiot.


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