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InvisibleSclorch
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Proof of God undermines Faith in God
    #1384878 - 03/17/03 02:55 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

If you don't agree with this... then you need to think more.


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: Sclorch]
    #1384924 - 03/17/03 03:06 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Isn't that what Aquinas ultimaly came to?

"It is like putting straw before gold." I belive was what he said about the whole deal.

When someone says that through faith you eventually come to a knowing you can be sure they are getting wacky......


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: upupup]
    #1384947 - 03/17/03 03:10 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

It's just a little reminder... I know most here understand.


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: Sclorch]
    #1384958 - 03/17/03 03:13 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I agree.


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: Murex]
    #1385553 - 03/17/03 05:37 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

So he said rectum damn near killed him. I don't you understand at all.


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: Zahid]
    #1385708 - 03/17/03 06:27 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

lol! are you kidding? wtf are you talking about Zahid?

Sclorch, you may disregard my misguided brothers who attempt to "prove" that God exists. They know not the meaning of what they're doing.


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: Sclorch]
    #1386350 - 03/17/03 11:31 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Who needs faith when you've got proof?

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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: ]
    #1386354 - 03/17/03 11:33 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Faith if for the blind


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: EvilGir]
    #1386633 - 03/18/03 03:12 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

When you think you know you have ceased to learn....

I for one cannot begin with my finite mind to uderstand the infinite.....


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: upupup]
    #1400448 - 03/22/03 10:36 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Its just one of those things you don't try to proof because it always just brings more questions..you just know

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you may disregard my misguided brothers who attempt to "prove" that God exists. They know not the meaning of what they're doing.


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: Sclorch]
    #1400509 - 03/22/03 11:16 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Proof of God undermines Faith in God

I'm not sure I understand.  Please elaborate a bit for us slow folks.  :cool: 


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: Revelation]
    #1400665 - 03/22/03 12:27 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Revelation, I might be wrong here, but what I thought Sclorch was getting at is this. If you have proof of Gods existence, then you do not need to have "Faith" in his existence, because having proof of something implies that you no longer need to have Faith in it.

Ill try to make an analogy. Say you have faith (can be substituted for the word believe) that there is a man standing behind a brick wall. (for whatever reason). Then you are shown that on the other side of the brick wall, there is a man standing there. Now that you know that the man is standing there (it has been proved to you, as such) you no longer need to have faith, or believe him to be standing there, you know it for a fact.

You could easily make anything into a statement like Sclorch has done, like this:

"Proof of aliens, undermines faith in aliens"

Hope I was of some help,
Cheers,
Jono.


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: jono]
    #1400857 - 03/22/03 02:07 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks, jono.

I would disagree with this because in my opinion it is through faith which we experience god. It is through faith that we know god. My perception of the nature of god, and also the nature of faith, probably differs from Sclorch's.

There is no "proof" which would validate the existence of god more than the intuitive understanding which is provided by faith.

That is also what I took from this statement:

"It is like putting straw before gold."

I would like to hear what Markos has to say on the subject.


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: Revelation]
    #1401311 - 03/22/03 05:31 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

And so God vanishes in a poof of logic. :grin:


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: noisycricket]
    #1401539 - 03/22/03 07:18 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Faith (a focusing technique) is the means... god is the nonexistent end.

Kierkegaard had the balls to agree with the first... Nietzsche the second.


Of course, I'm just the village asshole... pay no attention...


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: Sclorch]
    #1403176 - 03/23/03 11:10 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Try not to be too humble, Sclorch.


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: Sclorch]
    #1404807 - 03/24/03 03:02 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Not if you are seeking proof so you can have faith.


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: GazzBut]
    #1405112 - 03/24/03 05:48 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

GazzBut: Not if you are seeking proof so you can have faith.

Think more.


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: Sclorch]
    #1405166 - 03/24/03 06:08 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I have faith that Sclorch is a real, live human being, but I have no proof. :smile: 


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Re: Proof of God undermines Faith in God [Re: Swami]
    #1405178 - 03/24/03 06:12 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

That's not true Swami... I sent you that one picture of me in a vintage dinner jacket.

Bah... that would only be evidence anyway, right?
Hell, you could meet me and then appeal to solipsism... hehehehe


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