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InvisibleSclorch
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Safety vs. Freedom
    #1384871 - 03/17/03 04:53 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The eternal struggle continues.
No single answer will please everyone.


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OfflineStrumpling
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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: Sclorch]
    #1387061 - 03/18/03 08:00 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I'll take freedom any day.


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OfflineMANNALORD
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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: Strumpling]
    #1387333 - 03/18/03 09:34 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Freedom, easy choice for me because i know, there is no safety anywhere in life. Anything can happen at any time and even things that are supposed to be safe (air planes) have been proven to be unsafe, time and time again. At least when you're free you can take your own safety, into your own hands.


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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: MANNALORD]
    #1387593 - 03/18/03 10:47 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

sometimes I drive to the market without a seat-belt :shocked:


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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: Sclorch]
    #1387665 - 03/18/03 11:03 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I don't wear a cup (or even briefs). FREEDOM!!!


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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: Sclorch]
    #1387676 - 03/18/03 11:06 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

How about safety with freedom?

When you are totally free from all desire I am sure you would feel quite safe. I struggle with loss of both of them though.


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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: Sclorch]
    #1387792 - 03/18/03 11:40 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I dont believe that its a clear cut choice between the two.

Surely to ensure the continuation of freedom, some sort of "safety" is required. That is, freedom paradoxically requires some kind of restrictions to ensure that everyone can enjoy it (those restrictions could be described as safety elements in a sense).

Is that what you were getting at Sclorch?

Cheers,
Jono.


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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1387810 - 03/18/03 11:46 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Fear nothing and you are safe, be attached to nothing and you are free. Both are obtainable it seems?


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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: LoverofEarth]
    #1387889 - 03/18/03 12:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

If we feared nothing, mankind wouldn't have survived this long and none of us would be here at the Shroomery.

Fear is necessary, although overemphasized

edit: changed "shroomer" to "Shroomery" hehe whoops


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OfflineKemist
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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: Strumpling]
    #1387904 - 03/18/03 12:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin


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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: Kemist]
    #1387977 - 03/18/03 12:41 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

is that directed towards me? I agree...


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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: Sclorch]
    #1395766 - 03/20/03 05:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

No single answer will please everyone 



God what a boring place that would be! :grin:
I choose neither as both are absolute concepts which will never be achieved (you bastard and your heteroabsolutism :wink: ).
Really I take a pragmatic outlook and realize I must maximize both positions myself within the parameters presented.IMHO an extreme in either direction leaves one vulnerable to too many pitfalls.
"AAhh one must walk in balance grasshopper,lest one fall in the shit"
PS I know JUST how you must have felt when you wrote that :crazy:
Take care,WR 


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: whiterasta]
    #1397414 - 03/21/03 07:26 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

At least a few people realized that this is an internal struggle.


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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: Sclorch]
    #1397539 - 03/21/03 08:00 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

At least a few people realized that this is an internal struggle. 



I thought you called it an 'eternal' struggle. :confused:


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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: Evolving]
    #1397747 - 03/21/03 08:59 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

JEEBUS!!!

So as to not confuse any more mods: an eternal, internal struggle

hehehe


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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: Sclorch]
    #1397907 - 03/21/03 10:11 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry, I'm just fulfilling my role as a resident troublemaker.


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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: Evolving]
    #1397988 - 03/21/03 10:47 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

freedom.. its the absolute...the essence of our existence.


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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: ]
    #1400431 - 03/22/03 12:24 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

cold comfort for change

i trip on my words when I try and explain it... economic success just seems to be such a shallow endeavor


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Re: Safety vs. Freedom [Re: Grav]
    #1401544 - 03/22/03 09:20 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Grav: cold comfort for change

Boy am I happy to see such a relevant PF quote.

I wish others were here.


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