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CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO
    #13836985 - 01/23/11 02:01 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I disagree with RRs recommendation of CFL lights for a solution to lighting requirements in General Cultivation>Lighting.

CFLs(compact fluorescent lights) contain mercury, unlike incandescents, and need to be disposed of properly.

Knowing people's ignorance, most of these will be thrown straight out, putting more mercury in the environment,  instead of processed at electronic recycling centers or wherever you get rid of them.

I avoid CFLs completely, as having mercury in the house, hanging overhead or not, is something to be avoided in surety.

(it also bothers me that, in California at least, I've seen CFLs that are subsidized by PGE to get them in households, but there is mercury in the bulbs)

Anyone else avoid mercury entirely?

Let's Bring Back The Incandescent Bulb


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: linkamathingy]
    #13837090 - 01/23/11 02:16 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

LED tube lights are an option.

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: linkamathingy]
    #13837100 - 01/23/11 02:18 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

meh. im not too concerned.

ive got powerlines over my house >.<


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: k00laid]
    #13837236 - 01/23/11 02:44 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Just because a light bulb has to be disposed of in a certain way isn't a good reason not to recommended it's use IMO.


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Masticore]
    #13837240 - 01/23/11 02:46 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I drink the mercury from my CFLs so I dont have to worry about animals drinking from polluted water and giving birth to two headed abominations.

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: mukhail]
    #13837249 - 01/23/11 02:48 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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I drink the mercury from my CFLs so I dont have to worry about animals drinking from polluted water and giving birth to two headed abominations.



:laugh2:


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Masticore]
    #13837287 - 01/23/11 02:53 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Just because a light bulb has to be disposed of in a certain way isn't a good reason not to recommended it's use IMO.



:awesomenod:

OP, quit being retarded...
And you shouldnt be growing mushrooms either, cause your little kid brother might dig in your closet one day and eat them....
Who knows if YOU know how to dispose of your mushrooms anyways... :shrug:

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Masticore]
    #13837647 - 01/23/11 04:06 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Masticore said:
Just because a light bulb has to be disposed of in a certain way isn't a good reason not to recommended it's use IMO.




it wasn't that single reason.

edit:"I avoid CFLs completely, as having mercury in the house, hanging overhead or not, is something to be avoided in surety."

Edited by linkamathingy (01/23/11 04:18 PM)

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Masticore]
    #13837665 - 01/23/11 04:10 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Just because a light bulb has to be disposed of in a certain way isn't a good reason not to recommended it's use IMO.


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: linkamathingy]
    #13837809 - 01/23/11 04:35 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

LOL @ at this thread

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: linkamathingy]
    #13837841 - 01/23/11 04:40 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

That's why individual counties often have Household Hazardous Waste Disposal - lithium ion batteries, paint, oil, CFL bulbs, etc. can all be recycled appropriately.

Nice sentiment, but it wasn't really backed up with any facts. :shrug:

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Brennus]
    #13837875 - 01/23/11 04:46 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Brennus said:
That's why individual counties often have Household Hazardous Waste Disposal - lithium ion batteries, paint, oil, CFL bulbs, etc. can all be recycled appropriately.

Nice sentiment, but it wasn't really backed up with any facts. :shrug:




i would think putting more mercury in your environment than is naturally there by buying and supporting CFLs is a fact, and seeing how people dispose of electronics usually, i would think most wouldn't dispose of them properly.

the point is people probably won't do what's right and will just throw them out alongside their AA batteries. This recommendation being on this site means more mercury pollution


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: linkamathingy]
    #13838787 - 01/23/11 07:37 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Well, if you want to invent a light that gives us the right spectrum for all the people that are not responsible enough to recycle hazardous waste, by all means please do that.

That or some how make LED lighting cheaper initially. LED are cheaper over time though. They are a sound investment if you buy the right product.

You will also read in there that daylight will work. Some people cant grow next to a window.

I personally only get about 2 hours of light in my window on a sunny day in the winter. I'll also add that sunny days are rare here. Maybe a day or two a week on average will we get any direct sun. So until the poles shift and I'm on the equator, I'm going to use my T-5 bulb.

Dont break your florescent bulbs.

Dont eat your florescent bulbs.

Dispose of them properly, at a designated hazardous material collection site.

No, throwing it into your alley does not count.

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Base Icks]
    #13838890 - 01/23/11 07:54 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

but its sooo fun watching them explode!!!

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Base Icks]
    #13839121 - 01/23/11 08:35 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

good to see you BaseIcks. T5 is an LED i bet. by the right product do you mean you have a recommendation for a supplier or brand?

i was actually going to use a window, but seeing CFL mercury bulbs recommended, that was just wrong to me. i had to say something.

explosions?


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: linkamathingy]
    #13839256 - 01/23/11 09:05 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yah but a CFL lasts 30 times longer then a standard light bulb, that is if you don't smash it by accident. hehheh The LED tube lights from home depot are way cooler, but those are most likely bad for the environment as well.

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Base Icks]
    #13839358 - 01/23/11 09:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I'm of the opinion that less mercury in our environment is a good thing. Most people dispose of CFL's in an improper manner (ie: toss them in the trash) and as a result, mercury ends up in our landfills and over time contaminates ground water.  LED lighting on the other hand contains absolutely no mercury or other toxic or hazardous materials.

LED lighting has progressed to the point where it is both cheaper (in the long run) and bright enough to provide ample light for cultivating cubensis mushrooms.  You need to get the right product however; most of the LED lighting products on the market are nowhere near as bright as the "super ribbon" lighting available from specialty LED manufacturers (typically based in Asia). 

As RR and others have mentioned, more light is better when it comes to mushroom cultivation as it results in meatier fruits and a heavier dry weight.  So if you're gonna go LED, it makes sense to get the best product available.  LED rope lighting you find in local department stores has been obsolete for a while now.  To get the latest products you will need to order from an LED lighting manufacturer based in Asia such as Orient Lighting or Signcomplex (or a dozen others).  There are also companies in Canada/US that stock this type of LED lighting, but they are usually specialty lighting stores.

I posted this yesterday in this thread:

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Ekyldog said:
Check out my thread about LED Super Ribbon lighting for something that works extremely well for cultivating cubensis mushrooms.  I have exclusively been using LED Super Ribbon lighting (LED ribbon lighting is several times the brightness of LED rope lighting) and have had great success with it so far.

LED Super Ribbon Lighting [grow pics included]
LED Terrarium Tek - Internal Lighting

Just finished fruiting a 14 gallon internally-lit monotub that produced 2509g wet over four flushes, which dried to 296.6g.  Substrate is CCVG, strain is GT.  Here's a pic of the first flush:



Most LED lighting you will find in stores is nowhere near as bright as the ribbon lighting that I am using.  It needs to be purchased from specialty LED lighting companies.  Make sure you get 6500K color temperature and shop around for the brightest lumens output possible.  The strips I'm using come in 5 meter rolls and consume about 80 watts of 12VDC power and output about 3700 lumens of light.

So yes, LED light works fine as long as you're using a suitable product.  :smile:

Also cheaper in long run.  For cost-analysis see my thread about LED Super Ribbon lighting linked above (near the bottom of the first post).  :strokebeard:




Figured I would just quote it rather than re-type it all. :wink:

I'll be posting more pics of results soon. :thumbup:


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Ekyldog]
    #13839415 - 01/23/11 09:41 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Since most electricity comes from coal which releases mercury into the air as it burns, using incandescent light bulbs results in far more mercury being released into the environment over the life of the bulb than using CFL lamps does.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13839807 - 01/23/11 10:58 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

ummm im sure that cfls do the trick




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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: jokefox]
    #13839883 - 01/23/11 11:14 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I doubt anyone will be disposing of any decent quality CCFL's soon. They last so much longer than comparable incandescents that you'd go through 30 standard lightbulbs before your CCFL burns out.

While I agree that adding more mercury to the environment sucks, I'm more concerned about shipping everything from China constantly. Those huge cargo ships pollute the air more than every car in every country combined, no joke. Trusted source article is here.


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