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linkamathingy
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CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO
#13836985 - 01/23/11 02:01 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I disagree with RRs recommendation of CFL lights for a solution to lighting requirements in General Cultivation>Lighting.
CFLs(compact fluorescent lights) contain mercury, unlike incandescents, and need to be disposed of properly.
Knowing people's ignorance, most of these will be thrown straight out, putting more mercury in the environment, instead of processed at electronic recycling centers or wherever you get rid of them.
I avoid CFLs completely, as having mercury in the house, hanging overhead or not, is something to be avoided in surety.
(it also bothers me that, in California at least, I've seen CFLs that are subsidized by PGE to get them in households, but there is mercury in the bulbs)
Anyone else avoid mercury entirely?
Let's Bring Back The Incandescent Bulb
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Edited by linkamathingy (02/23/11 12:28 PM)
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LED tube lights are an option.
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meh. im not too concerned.
ive got powerlines over my house >.<
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: k00laid]
#13837236 - 01/23/11 02:44 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just because a light bulb has to be disposed of in a certain way isn't a good reason not to recommended it's use IMO.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Masticore]
#13837240 - 01/23/11 02:46 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I drink the mercury from my CFLs so I dont have to worry about animals drinking from polluted water and giving birth to two headed abominations.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: mukhail]
#13837249 - 01/23/11 02:48 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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mukhail said: I drink the mercury from my CFLs so I dont have to worry about animals drinking from polluted water and giving birth to two headed abominations.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Masticore]
#13837287 - 01/23/11 02:53 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Masticore said: Just because a light bulb has to be disposed of in a certain way isn't a good reason not to recommended it's use IMO.

OP, quit being retarded... And you shouldnt be growing mushrooms either, cause your little kid brother might dig in your closet one day and eat them.... Who knows if YOU know how to dispose of your mushrooms anyways...
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linkamathingy
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Masticore]
#13837647 - 01/23/11 04:06 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Masticore said: Just because a light bulb has to be disposed of in a certain way isn't a good reason not to recommended it's use IMO.
it wasn't that single reason.
edit:"I avoid CFLs completely, as having mercury in the house, hanging overhead or not, is something to be avoided in surety."
Edited by linkamathingy (01/23/11 04:18 PM)
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Masticore]
#13837665 - 01/23/11 04:10 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Masticore said: Just because a light bulb has to be disposed of in a certain way isn't a good reason not to recommended it's use IMO.
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LOL @ at this thread
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That's why individual counties often have Household Hazardous Waste Disposal - lithium ion batteries, paint, oil, CFL bulbs, etc. can all be recycled appropriately.
Nice sentiment, but it wasn't really backed up with any facts.
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linkamathingy
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Brennus]
#13837875 - 01/23/11 04:46 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Brennus said: That's why individual counties often have Household Hazardous Waste Disposal - lithium ion batteries, paint, oil, CFL bulbs, etc. can all be recycled appropriately.
Nice sentiment, but it wasn't really backed up with any facts. 
i would think putting more mercury in your environment than is naturally there by buying and supporting CFLs is a fact, and seeing how people dispose of electronics usually, i would think most wouldn't dispose of them properly.
the point is people probably won't do what's right and will just throw them out alongside their AA batteries. This recommendation being on this site means more mercury pollution
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Edited by linkamathingy (01/23/11 04:47 PM)
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Well, if you want to invent a light that gives us the right spectrum for all the people that are not responsible enough to recycle hazardous waste, by all means please do that.
That or some how make LED lighting cheaper initially. LED are cheaper over time though. They are a sound investment if you buy the right product.
You will also read in there that daylight will work. Some people cant grow next to a window.
I personally only get about 2 hours of light in my window on a sunny day in the winter. I'll also add that sunny days are rare here. Maybe a day or two a week on average will we get any direct sun. So until the poles shift and I'm on the equator, I'm going to use my T-5 bulb.
Dont break your florescent bulbs.
Dont eat your florescent bulbs.
Dispose of them properly, at a designated hazardous material collection site.
No, throwing it into your alley does not count.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Base Icks]
#13838890 - 01/23/11 07:54 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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but its sooo fun watching them explode!!!
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linkamathingy
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Base Icks]
#13839121 - 01/23/11 08:35 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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good to see you BaseIcks. T5 is an LED i bet. by the right product do you mean you have a recommendation for a supplier or brand?
i was actually going to use a window, but seeing CFL mercury bulbs recommended, that was just wrong to me. i had to say something.
explosions?
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Yah but a CFL lasts 30 times longer then a standard light bulb, that is if you don't smash it by accident. hehheh The LED tube lights from home depot are way cooler, but those are most likely bad for the environment as well.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Base Icks]
#13839358 - 01/23/11 09:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm of the opinion that less mercury in our environment is a good thing. Most people dispose of CFL's in an improper manner (ie: toss them in the trash) and as a result, mercury ends up in our landfills and over time contaminates ground water. LED lighting on the other hand contains absolutely no mercury or other toxic or hazardous materials.
LED lighting has progressed to the point where it is both cheaper (in the long run) and bright enough to provide ample light for cultivating cubensis mushrooms. You need to get the right product however; most of the LED lighting products on the market are nowhere near as bright as the "super ribbon" lighting available from specialty LED manufacturers (typically based in Asia).
As RR and others have mentioned, more light is better when it comes to mushroom cultivation as it results in meatier fruits and a heavier dry weight. So if you're gonna go LED, it makes sense to get the best product available. LED rope lighting you find in local department stores has been obsolete for a while now. To get the latest products you will need to order from an LED lighting manufacturer based in Asia such as Orient Lighting or Signcomplex (or a dozen others). There are also companies in Canada/US that stock this type of LED lighting, but they are usually specialty lighting stores.
I posted this yesterday in this thread:
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Ekyldog said: Check out my thread about LED Super Ribbon lighting for something that works extremely well for cultivating cubensis mushrooms. I have exclusively been using LED Super Ribbon lighting (LED ribbon lighting is several times the brightness of LED rope lighting) and have had great success with it so far.
LED Super Ribbon Lighting [grow pics included] LED Terrarium Tek - Internal Lighting
Just finished fruiting a 14 gallon internally-lit monotub that produced 2509g wet over four flushes, which dried to 296.6g. Substrate is CCVG, strain is GT. Here's a pic of the first flush:

Most LED lighting you will find in stores is nowhere near as bright as the ribbon lighting that I am using. It needs to be purchased from specialty LED lighting companies. Make sure you get 6500K color temperature and shop around for the brightest lumens output possible. The strips I'm using come in 5 meter rolls and consume about 80 watts of 12VDC power and output about 3700 lumens of light.
So yes, LED light works fine as long as you're using a suitable product. 
Also cheaper in long run. For cost-analysis see my thread about LED Super Ribbon lighting linked above (near the bottom of the first post). 
Figured I would just quote it rather than re-type it all. 
I'll be posting more pics of results soon.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Ekyldog]
#13839415 - 01/23/11 09:41 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Since most electricity comes from coal which releases mercury into the air as it burns, using incandescent light bulbs results in far more mercury being released into the environment over the life of the bulb than using CFL lamps does. RR
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: RogerRabbit]
#13839807 - 01/23/11 10:58 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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ummm im sure that cfls do the trick


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: jokefox]
#13839883 - 01/23/11 11:14 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I doubt anyone will be disposing of any decent quality CCFL's soon. They last so much longer than comparable incandescents that you'd go through 30 standard lightbulbs before your CCFL burns out.
While I agree that adding more mercury to the environment sucks, I'm more concerned about shipping everything from China constantly. Those huge cargo ships pollute the air more than every car in every country combined, no joke. Trusted source article is here.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: jokefox]
#13839909 - 01/23/11 11:20 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I remember playing with Hg as a kid in school...shit was heavy! I'd gladly use cfls and save electricity, which on my area is from dams that have decimated the salmon and steelhead populations, rather than use something that's gonna he replaced in 3 months rather than 3 years...plus you use less materials in that cfl than you would with a regular incandescent, not to mention power surges screw those up too.
In agriculture as well wheat is covered in mercury as a fungicide which washes off and into the water supply. If anything go after the tumor and the cancer cells are easier to eliminate.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: fngbronco]
#13840999 - 01/24/11 08:18 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, 15 years from now when I have to actually dispose of one, I'm sure I'll be careful with them, and by then incandescents will be completely banned anyway.
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linkamathingy
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: RogerRabbit]
#13961516 - 02/14/11 02:10 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Since most electricity comes from coal which releases mercury into the air as it burns, using incandescent light bulbs results in far more mercury being released into the environment over the life of the bulb than using CFL lamps does. RR
i would need data to compare those things to make that sort of factual statement. was that some pro-CFL organizations official line? or you have the data?
thanks
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Mercury is found in many rocks including coal. When coal is burned, mercury is released into the environment. Coal-burning power plants are the largest human-caused source of mercury emissions to the air in the United States, accounting for over 50 percent of all domestic human-caused mercury emissions (Source: 2005 National Emissions Inventory). EPA has estimated that about one quarter of U.S. emissions from coal-burning power plants are deposited within the contiguous U.S. and the remainder enters the global cycle. Burning hazardous wastes, producing chlorine, breaking mercury products, and spilling mercury, as well as the improper treatment and disposal of products or wastes containing mercury, can also release it into the environment. Current estimates are that less than half of all mercury deposition within the U.S. comes from U.S. sources.
That's taken from the EPA's website. (Link)

Net mercury emissions for CFL and incandescent lamps, based on EPA FAQ sheet, assuming average U.S. emission of 0.012 mg of mercury per kilowatt-hour and 14% of CFL mercury contents escapes to environment after land fill disposal.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Boozie]
#13961948 - 02/14/11 03:34 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Boozie said:
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Mercury is found in many rocks including coal. When coal is burned, mercury is released into the environment. Coal-burning power plants are the largest human-caused source of mercury emissions to the air in the United States, accounting for over 50 percent of all domestic human-caused mercury emissions (Source: 2005 National Emissions Inventory). EPA has estimated that about one quarter of U.S. emissions from coal-burning power plants are deposited within the contiguous U.S. and the remainder enters the global cycle. Burning hazardous wastes, producing chlorine, breaking mercury products, and spilling mercury, as well as the improper treatment and disposal of products or wastes containing mercury, can also release it into the environment. Current estimates are that less than half of all mercury deposition within the U.S. comes from U.S. sources.
That's taken from the EPA's website. (Link)

Net mercury emissions for CFL and incandescent lamps, based on EPA FAQ sheet, assuming average U.S. emission of 0.012 mg of mercury per kilowatt-hour and 14% of CFL mercury contents escapes to environment after land fill disposal.
thanks for this! seems to be okay except for potential inaccuracies
i added emphasis on something i found strange.
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What's the content in a cfl? How much would 14% truly equate to? If you need someone to blame for not being able to eat more than 2 catfish over 12" from a body of water, blame agricultural advancements. Seeds are coated in Hg as a fungicide and it washes off into ground water. Imagine a 1500 acre wheat field and all the seeds they spread that are covered.
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Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: fngbronco]
#13962875 - 02/14/11 06:33 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok o i have never been rude or mean on this site ever since i joined... however to the OP:
Your worried about the amount of mercury content a few people on this site may introduce into the environment on said day that they actually dispose of there CFL's.... When in reality on any given day there is more pollution pumped into our atmosphere from everyday living then ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS WORLD. You wanna help the earth... GO OFF GRID OR STFU... MOST PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD LEAVE A LARGER CARBON FOOTPRINT, WHICH IS MORE OF A PROBLEM, THEN ALL OF US DISPOSING OF ALL OUR CFLS IN ONE SHOT AND RELEASING ALL SAID MERCURY INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.
YOUR THREAD IS POINTLESS AND OBSCURED...IF YOUR GOING TO BE A TREE HUGGER AT LEAST BE GOOD AT IT.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: CRfactOR]
#13962933 - 02/14/11 06:44 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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you should study carbon dioxide's influence on the environment more.
less pollution is less pollution, this is a valid discussion. shall i edit the original post once a conclusion can be drawn?
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Your just one of those people....
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linkamathingy said: shall i edit the original post once a conclusion can be drawn?
a conclusion hasn't been drawn yet????
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: k00laid]
#13965156 - 02/14/11 11:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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i'm sorry that guy just trolled me
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My CFL's have lasted over 2 years and are still kicking...
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: CRfactOR]
#13965389 - 02/15/11 12:30 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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CRfactOR said: Your just one of those people.... 
You seem to be one of THOSE people.
A fucking idiot.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Masticore]
#13965718 - 02/15/11 02:46 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why hate on cfl's?
It seems the problem is people throwing them in the trash.
So would it not be better to champion that cause? and not saying that people shouldn't use cfl's?
This post should have started off positive and instructed users here to recycle and not trash things. That would have been much more productive than trying to argue that we shouldn't use cfls... thats kinda silly.
p.s. One very large contributer to polluted ground water are cars leaking all sorts of oils onto the concrete which in time drains through to the ground water system. Think about that one... (fix oil leaks or tell people not to buy cars!?)
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Masticore]
#13965911 - 02/15/11 05:19 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Masticore said:
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CRfactOR said: Your just one of those people.... 
You seem to be one of THOSE people.
A fucking idiot.
Awwwe thank you. Your so kind.
Perhaps I didn't explain myself so that all the intellectual's on this thread could understand.
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bump for an article now in the OP
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Boozie]
#14013815 - 02/23/11 02:03 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Boozie said:
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Mercury is found in many rocks including coal. When coal is burned, mercury is released into the environment. Coal-burning power plants are the largest human-caused source of mercury emissions to the air in the United States, accounting for over 50 percent of all domestic human-caused mercury emissions (Source: 2005 National Emissions Inventory). EPA has estimated that about one quarter of U.S. emissions from coal-burning power plants are deposited within the contiguous U.S. and the remainder enters the global cycle. Burning hazardous wastes, producing chlorine, breaking mercury products, and spilling mercury, as well as the improper treatment and disposal of products or wastes containing mercury, can also release it into the environment. Current estimates are that less than half of all mercury deposition within the U.S. comes from U.S. sources.
That's taken from the EPA's website. (Link)

Net mercury emissions for CFL and incandescent lamps, based on EPA FAQ sheet, assuming average U.S. emission of 0.012 mg of mercury per kilowatt-hour and 14% of CFL mercury contents escapes to environment after land fill disposal.
bump for counter-information already posted.
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linkamathingy said: I disagree with RRs recommendation of CFL lights for a solution to lighting requirements in General Cultivation>Lighting.
CFLs(compact fluorescent lights) contain mercury, unlike incandescents, and need to be disposed of properly.
Knowing people's ignorance, most of these will be thrown straight out, putting more mercury in the environment, instead of processed at electronic recycling centers or wherever you get rid of them.
I avoid CFLs completely, as having mercury in the house, hanging overhead or not, is something to be avoided in surety.
(it also bothers me that, in California at least, I've seen CFLs that are subsidized by PGE to get them in households, but there is mercury in the bulbs)
Anyone else avoid mercury entirely?
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: iluvfungi]
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Microppose]
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OP bumped to continue making his weak point.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Masticore]
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I'm enjoying the rage in this thread, carry on.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: afrosheen]
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linkamathingy said: heres another update pretty cool i thought!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363448/We-pick-toxic-new-bulbs-Councils-say-energy-saving-lights-dangerous-binmen.html
"But confused consumers are putting the new bulbs – classed as hazardous waste – in their dustbins when they burn out, potentially putting the safety of thousands of binmen at risk."
so once again the only problem here is the improper disposal. not the lightbulbs themselves.
do you even read the articles you post?
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: k00laid]
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According the the US Environmental Protection Agency, CFLs have about as much mercury as a single bite of tuna. For you doomsayers, think about that next time you bite into your sandwich. Now, give it a rest. When they go bad, save them in a bin in your shed, and dispose of them when you get enough to make the trip to a recycler. End of problem. RR
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: RogerRabbit]
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I don't have a cfl has anyone had success with a 90 watt bulb, its all I got.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: SmokedShroom]
#14088779 - 03/08/11 08:15 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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people have been having success with out light sources for ages.
but you will see dramatic improvements with a 6500k cfl bulb very close to your fruiting chamber.
a pack of 2 is like 5 bucks at home depot.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: k00laid]
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What you dont dump your bulbs in the ocean for the tuna, pollock etc, can get their daily hydrargyrum(hg) intake. Makes them so tasty.And if it gets high enough you can fish with magnets instead of nets. Just think no more bi-catch hippies should love that.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14088832 - 03/08/11 08:23 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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RR, can you please state your source for such information?
I looked into it and this is what I found:
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From WHFoods: Should I be concerned about mercury in fish and what fish are safe to eat?: The average numbers for Atlantic tuna in this 2007 EPA study were: 0.47 milligrams/kilogram for albacore and 0.31 milligrams/kilogram for yellowfin (light). By comparison, Pacific albacore only contained an average of 0.17 milligrams/kilogram of mercury and Pacific yellowfin (light) only 0.06 milligrams per kilogram.
Versus:
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From Wikipedia (Compact fluorescent lamp): Most CFLs contain 3–5 mg per bulb, with the eco-friendly bulbs containing as little as 1 mg.[46][47]
According to that data, you would need to eat over two kilograms of Atlantic albacore tuna in order to consume the amount of mercury contained in one "eco-friendly" CFL bulb. In other words, an "eco-friendly" CFL bulb contains as much mercury (1mg) as is contained in over 130 bites (at 15g/bite) of the most mercury contaminated tuna.
At the grocery store, people buy chunked or flaked light (yellowfin) tuna in cans of 170g. At 0.31mg/kg mercury content, each can of tuna contains about 0.05mg of mercury. One "eco friendly" CFL bulb contains as much mercury as 20 cans of yellowfin tuna, much more than a single bite.
Anyways, I don't have a hate-on for CFLs or anything, I just like to work the numbers on stuff like this. I also enjoy spreading the word about LED super ribbon, which contains no mercury and lasts a lot longer than CFLs.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Ekyldog]
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: ar1es]
#14089019 - 03/08/11 08:48 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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shit
after reading this silly topic
i just dropped a cfl by accident and it broke lol
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: ar1es]
#14090303 - 03/09/11 12:18 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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"A study by Germany’s Federal Environment Agency found that when one of them breaks, it emits levels of toxic vapour up to 20 times higher than the safe guideline limit for an indoor area. " http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363448/We-pick-toxic-new-bulbs-Councils-say-energy-saving-lights-dangerous-binmen.html
yeah no thank you
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: ar1es]
#14090317 - 03/09/11 12:21 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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ar1es said: http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cfl.asp
there's a site for straw men if i've ever seen one. i hope no one makes decisions from only that site,
i can't say enough negative things about that site. they mention greenhouse gases like they are a problem, a sign of an uninformed source to me(75% of greenhouse gas is water vapor. %.04 is carbon dioxide, Al Gore and the IPCC are both political, not scientific, etc.)
it's a "we do the research and make the decision for you, heres citation" site, kind of like a skeptics club, or conspiracy theory bashing site.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: BlindBat]
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i need to cite more things so people stop ridiculously asking if i read something.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: BlindBat]
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My farts require a 15 minute evacuation most the time...I've seen hazmat crews working for .5ml of mercury. Plant a tree or 3 that'll clear your emissions and put you in balance. If you've got such huge problems just install a ton of windows and use candles. If they made incandescent bulbs with thicker filaments they'd last forever but they can't cuz they need money.
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: ar1es]
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ar1es said: shit
after reading this silly topic
i just dropped a cfl by accident and it broke lol
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Ekyldog]
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Ekyldog said: RR, can you please state your source for such information?
http://www.energyperformance.net/?q=about-lighting/lamp-fish-mercury
There's plenty more info online. Just do a few searches. Mercury is bad, but only if the bulb breaks. The carbon and particle emissions from power plants are bad just from inhaling them, and using incandescent light bulbs results in far more pollution than CFLs. Some day, they'll get the mercury out, but until then, be more worried about the health effects of breathing polluted air. RR
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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14092138 - 03/09/11 11:51 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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CFLs rock, enough said.
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