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GoddessOfLove
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[First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ?
#13813577 - 01/19/11 11:28 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hello fellow shroomers,
I'm starting my first grow box right now ! I had an Equador growbox  I have fill the growbox with water at 7:PM and place the box in a dark place at room temperature (like 15-18°C). But i have a little problem :\ I'm working tomorrow at 7:20 AM so i cannot prepare the box for growing, so i will let the box for 24 hours but i will only at home at about 5:30 PM and it will be then 24h and about 20-30 minutes of dunking 
I would know if it's not dangerous for the box to let it dunk for more than 24 hours ?
and also when dunking, what's the temperature needs to be ?
Many thanks !
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: GoddessOfLove]
#13813651 - 01/19/11 11:46 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not at all, some people dunk for 36, it's not the best IMO but going over 24hrs is not going to be a problem, especially if you keep the water clean. I'd look into putting a tiny bit of bleach or H2O2 in the water beforehand, then let it sit a few minutes before you dunk the sub. That should kill any bacteria and it wont damage the sub in such a small amount.
As for temperature don't sweat it. Room temp is perfect for dunking. Once you start growing you'll find cubes will take a lot of stupidity on our part and still make mushies, they WANT, to grow.
Cheers man!
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: shroombie]
#13813670 - 01/19/11 11:49 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Many thanks for your answer, but i will not have the opportunity to put some H20² so can i instead just let the box for 24h-25h without damaging it ?
Best regards
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: shroombie]
#13813681 - 01/19/11 11:51 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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IMO more than 24 hours is asking for problems but it has been done and gone on to produce abundant fruits. I would just not recommend it personally.
As well why would you add hydrogen peroxide or bleach to your dunk water? This is NEVER a good idea, and I suggest you do more research before you start posting like you know what you are talking about. This is by no means correct and will do WAY more harm then good. Fully colonized and consolidated cakes are fairly contaminate prone and you do not need to EVER bring them in contact with bleach, hydrogen peroxide or other chemicals.
You got one thing right in that room temp is fine for dunking.
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GoddessOfLove
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#13813698 - 01/19/11 11:54 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok i will just let my box here for 25 hours then ! Hope it will not be contaminated when i'm back from work :s
(my growbox is an equador shrooms buy on wholecelium)
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: GoddessOfLove]
#13813717 - 01/19/11 11:57 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wouldn't dunk much longer than 24 hrs, I get great fruits with a 12 hr dunk, anything over 24, and my cakes tend to get all mushy and contaminate prone.
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: GoddessOfLove]
#13813726 - 01/19/11 11:59 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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If it was me I would wake up 30-40 minutes early and deal with the block. I personally NEVER dunk anything(Do note that I only grow edibles) for more then 24 hours unless the species calls for it. Taking it out a few hours early would be better then leaving it in a few hours late IMO.
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: shroombie]
#13813731 - 01/19/11 11:59 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
shroombie said: Not at all, some people dunk for 36, it's not the best IMO but going over 24hrs is not going to be a problem, especially if you keep the water clean. I'd look into putting a tiny bit of bleach or H2O2 in the water beforehand, then let it sit a few minutes before you dunk the sub. That should kill any bacteria and it wont damage the sub in such a small amount.
As for temperature don't sweat it. Room temp is perfect for dunking. Once you start growing you'll find cubes will take a lot of stupidity on our part and still make mushies, they WANT, to grow.
Cheers man!
DO NOT PUT BLEACH IN YOUR DUNKING WATER, EVEN IN TINY AMOUNTS THIS IS TERRIBLE ADVICE
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GoddessOfLove
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: Harold Hole]
#13814049 - 01/19/11 12:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok thanks ! So 11 hours of dunking is great too ? Because i can do that at 6:00AM before works ? Please !
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: GoddessOfLove]
#13814148 - 01/19/11 01:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anyone ?
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: GoddessOfLove]
#13814166 - 01/19/11 01:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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11-12 hours should be fine. I usually shoot for 12-18 hours myself
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GoddessOfLove
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#13814201 - 01/19/11 01:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok many thanks ! I will go for 11h30 of Dunking then 
See ya brother !
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: GoddessOfLove]
#13814984 - 01/19/11 03:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Woah, easy there Shroomery.
I'm not saying submerge your cakes in straight bleach, that would be foolish, I'm saying create a barrier for contamination in the water by putting a small amount of bleach OR H2O2 in the water and letting it dissolve. No this probably isn't the most amazing thing for the substrate nor is it what you should do next time, but neither is dunking for 24 hours. And if anyone thinks it's going to kill their shrooms I'd like to ask where you got your information.
Mine comes principally from this thread.
I'd say Hippy3 has more experience than all of us. My information is several years old though, so if somebody can point me in the direction of a more recent thread with that kind of documentation...
We should all have the same goal of learning more about this fungus. Not knowing more than the next guy.
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: GoddessOfLove]
#13815189 - 01/19/11 04:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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How big is your tub or substrate or cake?
If its a cake, it's small, so it needs less time to rehydrate/dunk. 12 hours would be fine. If its a medium sized block then I would recommend a longer dunk. Probably more than 12 hours. If its a huge block and thick, then submerge for the full 24 hours.
Think about it, all you are really doing is mimicking a heavy rain to rehydrate the sub. The larger the sub., the longer it takes to dunk basically.
I've dunked for 2 days before on thick substrates, but I would not recommend experimenting with your first tub while learning. Just take observations while doing new things, so you can have a better understanding of what is going on in each step and how to make it easier next time.
On a side note, I once forgot about a tub that I had filled with water and it fruited its 3rd flush while floating in water in my garage. When I rediscovered the tub, the water was very dark and probably contaminated, so I composted the whole thing. But the point is that they still grew in those horrible conditions, almost hydroponic-ly, lol.
Anyways, best of luck
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: shroombie]
#13815438 - 01/19/11 05:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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You are obviously unaware of what bleach is for. You use bleach to clean tubs and FC;s. There is no need to add bleach to water that is used for dunking fresh cakes. What is important is that you change the water between the dunks. The regular tap water you have in the tap is more than sterile enough to use as is.
If I had a growbox, I would remove the cake from the box and dunk it, then roll it in a nice layer of verm and place it in a proper FC, such as I would with my regular cakes. Fruiting it in a plastic box isnt necessary at all and by my own knowledge, that would lower the cakes performance.
I tried to consult with Azarius lousy growing advice for these growboxes, as they clearly have no idea how to grow mushrooms, instead they push a block of mycelium to people for over 30 dollars, and teach them how to horribly decrease its performance. Of course, the "blog" on Azarius wasnt updated with what I wrote, since they want sad people to buy something from them that is both overpriced and that could be used with so much greater results..
Aas for your information from that thread, that has no validity as bacterial contamination most likely would have to come from your own soggy unwashed hands (or some other biological source). I use Chlorhexidine alcohol and rubber gloves if need be and I always take great care with the cakes. Ive never had bacterial contamination or any other for that matter.
The only thing he should be worried about is his FC, which easily can be sterilized using bleach, I even did that mid fruiting. I removed the cakes, poured bleach onto the perlite, then washed it..let it sit for two hours and then washed out the bleach...of course, that is a big stretch but this was a emergency. The important thing is of course not to let bleach come anywhere near ones cakes and I seemed to be lucky.
For any other cleaning, of any sort, the FC should be void of cakes..
Edited by kdmmontana (01/19/11 05:11 PM)
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: LurkingWizards]
#13818775 - 01/20/11 04:14 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Completely agree:)
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Re: [First Time] GrowBox dunking more than 24h is that dangerous ? [Re: kdmmontana]
#13821091 - 01/20/11 03:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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You just said you read the thread, and then said bleach could not be used like that and it was bad for mycelium... So Hip's thread was wrong? How? Why? If it is wrong I'd love to know more, but simply saying "you are wrong" helps neither of us.
I'm thread jacking right now and I apologize HoffmanBlotter, especially because what we're arguing about is useless to you now 
I'm making this into another thread so I can get some more information, it's here if you guys want to chime in.
Good luck Hoffman, I'm sure you're growbox will bring you plenty of our little friends!
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