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kintos
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Schumer Pushes for Military to Report Applicants' Drug Use to Prevent Gun Purchases
#13797364 - 01/16/11 03:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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WASHINGTON -- If someone admits to a federal official that he's used illegal drugs, that information should be sent to the FBI so that person can be disqualified from purchasing a gun, Sen. Chuck Schumer said Sunday. Noting that the alleged shooter in the Tucson massacre had admitted to military recruiters that he had used drugs on several occasions, Schumer said he is proposing to the Justice Department and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that the military be required to notify federal officials about such admissions. The New York Democrat said such a process does not require new legislation. Jared Lee Loughner is charged with five federal counts in the killing of a federal judge and shooting of Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. The mass shooting January 8 outside a Safeway grocery store resulted in six dead and 13 injured. A military official told Fox News last week that Loughner was rejected from enlisting in the Army in 2008 because he admitted he had used drugs. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because privacy laws prevent the military from disclosing such information about an individual's application. Schumer said if military recruiters or other officials report admissions of drug use to a national database, those individuals could be denied a gun.
"After Jared Loughner was interviewed by the military, he was rejected from the Army because of excessive drug use. Now, by law, by law that's on the books, he should not have been allowed to buy a gun," Schumer told NBC's "Meet the Press." "But the law doesn't require the military to notify the FBI about that, and in this case they didn't. So I --this morning -- I'm writing the administration and urging that that be done, that the military notify the FBI when someone is rejected from the military for excessive drug use and that be added to the FBI database," Schumer said. The issue of limiting Second Amendment rights has exploded in the wake of the Arizona shooting as lawmakers and officials discuss whether increased curbs should be put on gun ownership. Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell said Sunday that a citizen protecting his home or hunting doesn't need a gun with 33 bullets per clip. "I think the nation's spirits would be lifted if the Congress acted quickly with the president and reinstated the assault weapons ban which also had the ban on these large magazines, these clips that carried 30-plus bullets," he said. Rendell, speaking on CBS' "Meet the Press," added that had Loughner earlier been classified as having mental illness, he would never have gotten a gun under provisions established in existing gun control laws. "Had this man been classified, had he been committed civilly at any time prior to his purchasing the gun from Wal-Mart, he would have in fact been denied access to that firearm," Rendell told "Face the Nation." Schumer said he is hopeful legislation would move to reinstate the assault weapons ban. But the senator noted that while the mental illness provision had been added to gun laws several years ago -- after a shooting in Long Island in which the gunman had been declared by a court as mentally ill -- Loughner was not on anyone's books because he apparently never received treatment. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who appeared with Rendell, said that some would argue that if more people had been carrying guns, the alleged shooter may not have gotten off as many rounds as he did. But, he added, Loughner apparently suffered from paranoid schizophrenia, which went untreated. "The most important thing that would have prevented this is if this Loughner had been identified as what he clearly was," he said. Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., who appeared with Schumer, agreed that the law was not written with a case like Loughner in mind. "There's a hole in what we need to do. And I'm willing to work with Senator Schumer and anybody else that wants to make sure people who are mentally ill cannot get and use a gun," he said.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/16/schumer-require-military-report-applicants-drug-use-prevent-gun-purchases/#ixzz1BEqemdsz
wow what a great excuse to further demonize drug users.
a crazy goes on a rampage and this guy wants to keep a database on drug users to stop them from buying guns.
wouldn't it make more sense to keep a database of bat shit crazy motherfuckers and stop them from buying guns in the first place, or at least later stop them from buying ammo at 3 in the fucking morning?
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Re: Schumer Pushes for Military to Report Applicants' Drug Use to Prevent Gun Purchases [Re: kintos]
#13797409 - 01/16/11 03:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is so fucking ridiculous. Even if people wanted to blame drugs, Loughner hadn't used ANY drugs since 2008. He was on a crusade to get people he knew to even stop using caffeine.
Loughner smoked pot. He also had a backyard. He also had a shrine with candles. We don't hear anyone screaming to classify people with backyards or candles as psychotic, do we? That fact this dude smoked weed is coincidental at best.
Also, there's the fact that after he stopped smoking weed he really started to come unhinged. But let's totally ignore that, it doesn't make for good rhetoric
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Re: Schumer Pushes for Military to Report Applicants' Drug Use to Prevent Gun Purchases [Re: dokunai]
#13797487 - 01/16/11 03:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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dokunai said: Also, there's the fact that after he stopped smoking weed he really started to come unhinged. But let's totally ignore that, it doesn't make for good rhetoric 
I happened to find that most ironic myself. Many people will demonize him for using weed when it could have, in fact, been the reason this didn't happen any sooner.
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Re: Schumer Pushes for Military to Report Applicants' Drug Use to Prevent Gun Purchases [Re: SuperD]
#13797850 - 01/16/11 04:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe his problem started because he exposed his limbic system to only smoking marijuana and thus it adapted in a way that would only allow him to feel 'good' by smoking it. He no longer felt good doing the other things that he used to do because he had conditioned his body(limbic system) to only that one thing and his entire system latched onto it. This happens a lot with lots of other things like alcohol, adrenaline, sugar, etc.. the idea is to exposure yourself to a variety of things you enjoy so there is balance. If all you do is expose yourself to one thing then there is no balance and when you remove that one thing the body is left in bad shape. Most people can't recognize this because they do not have any kind of education with regards to personal health. Marijuana should be used when one is on top of his game and not as a way to cope with problems that they have. If used in good fun and not as a coping mechanism then there is no problem at all with any drug use. Unfortunately people don't maintain balance in their life and end up addicted which leads them to rehab in the hopes they recognize the problem and deal with it appropriately. I am not saying this is the cause at all just one of the links in a chain of events that caused his psychotic break. I would say isolation is another link.. there are many others. And frankly its none of the gubments business who says they did drugs or not that should be between you and your doctor only.
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Re: Schumer Pushes for Military to Report Applicants' Drug Use to Prevent Gun Purchases [Re: doeboy99]
#13797967 - 01/16/11 05:13 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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that the military notify the FBI when someone is rejected from the military for excessive drug use and that be added to the FBI database
I'm sure they'll act with nothing but the most noble intentions when determining by themselves the definition of "excessive."
Aside from that this is dangerously close to saying that anyone who has used illegal drugs ever is automatically too insane to own a firearm, regardless of a psychiatric evaluation.
Around half the population has taken an illegal drug in some form. I doubt such a change in policy would stand up to constitutional scrutiny.
What a heaping pile of empty symbolic bullshit. Whatever happened to being plain fuckin' crazy?
Here's Tom with the weather.
Edited by 5-HT2A (01/16/11 05:21 PM)
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Re: Schumer Pushes for Military to Report Applicants' Drug Use to Prevent Gun Purchases [Re: 5-HT2A]
#13798507 - 01/16/11 06:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats complete Bs, The Military recruteers will tell you to lie, they dont care really fuck, Who goes to the army to be on the frontline usually not the brightest people hell they give you 20 pts on your asvab for filling it out correctly. 36 is all you need to get in, as Bullet sponge first class-
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Re: Schumer Pushes for Military to Report Applicants' Drug Use to Prevent Gun Purchases [Re: idunno]
#13798912 - 01/16/11 08:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fuck Shcumer, such a little bitch. All of congress should have to submit to non-voluntary drug tests. Live under the laws you pass revered rulers. What kind of drugs are you on?
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Re: Schumer Pushes for Military to Report Applicants' Drug Use to Prevent Gun Purchases [Re: doeboy99]
#13798919 - 01/16/11 08:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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doeboy99 said: Maybe his problem started because he exposed his limbic system to only smoking marijuana and thus it adapted in a way that would only allow him to feel 'good' by smoking it. He no longer felt good doing the other things that he used to do because he had conditioned his body(limbic system) to only that one thing and his entire system latched onto it. This happens a lot with lots of other things like alcohol, adrenaline, sugar, etc.. the idea is to exposure yourself to a variety of things you enjoy so there is balance. If all you do is expose yourself to one thing then there is no balance and when you remove that one thing the body is left in bad shape. Most people can't recognize this because they do not have any kind of education with regards to personal health. Marijuana should be used when one is on top of his game and not as a way to cope with problems that they have. If used in good fun and not as a coping mechanism then there is no problem at all with any drug use. Unfortunately people don't maintain balance in their life and end up addicted which leads them to rehab in the hopes they recognize the problem and deal with it appropriately. I am not saying this is the cause at all just one of the links in a chain of events that caused his psychotic break. I would say isolation is another link.. there are many others. And frankly its none of the gubments business who says they did drugs or not that should be between you and your doctor only.
So your saying when he wasn't smoking he was repressing something?
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Re: Schumer Pushes for Military to Report Applicants' Drug Use to Prevent Gun Purchases [Re: Konyap]
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Re: Schumer Pushes for Military to Report Applicants' Drug Use to Prevent Gun Purchases [Re: kintos]
#13801017 - 01/17/11 07:58 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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why doesnt anyone blame the parents for ignoring there sons obvious mental illness and not atleast taking him to be evaluated by health officials psych evals can determine and prevent people from owning guns but no one here says the parents were at fault even though all of this mysterious behavior was at there home and in there backyard
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Re: Schumer Pushes for Military to Report Applicants' Drug Use to Prevent Gun Purchases [Re: fungusfreak]
#13801958 - 01/17/11 12:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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he was abused but back in the day that just meant you moved out early
people these days are fuck tarts
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