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Drugs will NEVER be legislated, Drug users have no rights, from UK government.
    #13801783 - 01/17/11 12:02 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

This letter was sent to the government:


MY STORY.

I was brought up by strict religious parents. I was not spoiled and was disciplined as much as my parents possibly could. I’m 28 years old now, I work full time, have various qualifications, mortgage, I’m an ordinary working class man.

I started smoking at the age of 9. My friends mum was very ill and she would send him to the newsagents with a note for a pack of 10 cigarettes. We would change the 10 to a 20 and keep 10 for ourselves. Smoking them in the alleyway or park.

My family moved when I was 10. So the smoking stopped for a while, until I became friends with the local shop owners sons‘, one my age the other a few years older. I’d go into the shop and have a pack of 20 cigarettes, or a pack of tobacco with rizlas thrown at me. So we were all smoking for free. This went on for years until his parents finally figured out what was going on, but by that time we had older friends who would get the cigarettes for us. Using my dinner money and pocket money to buy cigarettes.

The shop didn’t have an alcohol licence. My parents kept small plastic bottles to fill with juice before a trip to the zoo or the beach. At 11 I used to take a little wine and some of my dads whisky, put it in these small bottles. Then me and my friends would meet up on the beach all with little bits of something alcoholic. Have a little camp fire and get tipsy. Our parents didn’t notice their bottles getting empty, or cans going missing, we’d make a mark on the bottles then top it back up with water, then rub out the mark or we’d blame older brothers for the missing cans. We didn’t do it too often either.

In secondary school, age 12, we could smoke in a few places, in the bushes, behind the English block and in the toilets. We also went behind the woodwork shop. One break time my friends and I went behind the woodwork shop for a cigarette. There was a gang of older lads there. My friend and I were sharing a cigarette. “Here you can smoke this one” one of them said to us, passing over a hand rolled cig. So we smoked a bit of their cigarette. It smelt and tasted funny but we smoked it anyway. He asked us if we felt funny, which we did. They’d given us cannabis. Every time we bumped into them at break time or dinner time we’d all have a smoke and a giggle. The teachers didn’t have a clue what was going on as there were always other lads keeping an eye out for teachers on patrol. After a short time the lads told us it was costing them money for us to have a smoke, so asked us if we wanted to buy some. So my friends and I scraped together £7.50, enough for a ‘teenth’ (1/16th of an ounce) of ‘soap bar’, a solid hash form of cannabis. I would buy a packet of 10 cigarettes first thing in the morning, which cost £1.10. In school I could sell one cigarette for 50p, giving me £5. From that £5 at lunchtime I would get a pack of 20 cigarettes then sell them, having enough money for a teenth and a pack of tobacco. It was so easy to make money then. My friends and I would buy some once a month, then it became every weekend.

At 13 we had met the real dealers (not just the lads at school), we were told at our first introduction, “If you ever tell anyone my name, or where you get this from I’ll break your legs” and they really meant it. On weekends and after school I’d nip to the dealers house to buy some, then I’d sit and ‘chill’ for a few hours. The problem with being in a dealers house is that he had other friends who took other drugs. I was sat in his living room on the sofa when there was a knock at the door, “Alright bro” my dealer said and in came his older brother, he just looked at me and asked his brother if I was safe. “Yeh, yeh..” was my dealers answer.  He pulls out a bag of white powder and starts weighing it up using his brothers scales. “You tried this?” he asked me. I said no, he put a little on the table chopped it up with a razor blade and made it into 3 lines. Takes a £20 note out of his pocket, rolls it into a tube, puts it to his nose and snorts one line in one go. Passes the note to my dealer he snorts one line in one go, “F*** me, this is good stuff” he said to his brother and passes him the note back. He took the note and said “you want to finish this off?” looking at me. I asked “What’s it do?” He just said “go on..” and waved the note at me. So I had my first line of speed.

By the time I’d turned 14, I was hanging around with lads 17-30, meeting new people in the wrong crowd. My behaviour was appalling. I was well passed being off the rails. When the older lads tell you “you’re only a minor, you can’t go to prison, the most you’ll get is a caution” its like a green light to cause mayhem. What can the police do? Nothing. So what can the public do? Nothing. In a lot of cases neither can the parents. I’d just tell my mum to ‘F’ off and walk out. If me or my brother were grounded and the doors were locked we’d just climb out the window. Smacking? No, we would have hit back, or just laughed in their faces. Police? Cautions and warnings, that is if we got caught , which wasn’t very often. These people who say “they’re only children, they don’t know right from wrong”, you have no idea what you are talking about, we knew exactly what we were doing and we certainly knew it was wrong. We just knew for a fact we could get away with almost anything, with virtually no punishment.

The older lads would buy alcohol for me and my friends, mostly cider because it was extremely cheap. £5 would get 4 of us completely legless. We spent many times lying in a pool of vomit, or fighting or other things. The shops couldn’t say no because they were selling the alcohol to lads over 18 and our parents could do nothing because they weren’t there and knew nothing about it.

October came and the word was “tripping”, “what’s that?” we asked. So we went up the mountains for a walk with the older lads. We got to a field, they said wait here and took a few steps forward smiled at each other then called me and my mate over. “Magic Mushrooms, thousands all waiting to be picked” one of the older lads said as he bent over and picked a few. He passed one each to me and my mate. “Look at it, this is a proper magic mushroom, look at the teat, the colour and the stalk. Pick a few hundred and you’ll have a great night”. We spent a few hours in the field and we had about 1000 between 4 of us. We went to the school fields which were secluded and there was a hut with benches. One of the older lads sat sorting them all out into piles and throwing away the ‘dodgy’ looking ones. He passed over 100 each for me and my friend. “get them into piles of ten, put them in your hand and squeeze them gently into a ball then swallow them like a tablet” We did, but what an awful, horrible taste that makes you want to throw up. We took them all anyway. One of the older lads started laughing at us, “you’ve just had double the dose for first timers!! 50 would have been plenty, you are going to be off your heads!!”. Half an hour later we’re all sat down telling jokes and I’m getting a tickling feeling in the pit of my stomach. Then uncontrollable giggling, all of us were sat there laughing. The buzzing starts in your stomach, then legs, waves of warm energy pulsing up, over and around your body from toe to head. Every things going hazy and colours are almost florescent. Things move, like the concrete wall ripples, or the floor moves like water. Big smiles on everyone’s faces. Then blood pours from the walls like a scene from the Amityville Horror. A feeling of terror raced through my veins. A cold empty feeling ran through my body and I was really freaking out. The older lad grabs me by the shoulders “close your eyes…. Close them. Right, think happy thoughts like clouds or rabbits or marshmallows” I burst out laughing and opened my eyes, the blood had gone. “That’s a white-E” he said “if it happens again, just remember, its not real. Its all in the mind. Don‘t let the trip control you, you control the trip”. I had an amazing experience from that point on.

Mushroom season ended. We sat in the dealers house discussing our trip stories. One of the dealers pulled out some little bits of square paper with little red dragons printed on them. “You can get the same sort of trip from these, it’s called LSD and they’re £5 each”.

So I’m 14 years old, smoking, drinking, smoking lots of cannabis, taking LSD, speed, magic mushrooms, petrol, butane, ‘poppers’ and stealing to pay off dealers the £50 I owe. Plus I’m skiving school and getting into all sorts of trouble.

By the time I was 15, I was addicted to speed. I was working after school and on weekends, dealers would be waiting for me outside work for money I owed. I was also introduced to ecstasy and cocaine. I was terrified of ecstasy, the killer drug, the one that makes you dehydrate, makes your brain swell, that makes your heart race and gives you a heart attack. The first time I was offered it I said no, because of everything I was told at school. Then watched for the first time over 20 people take it and then take more 4 hours later. Thinking to myself, why are none of these people dead, was what the school told me a lie? So the next time I was offered it, I say yes, my dealer passed one to me and said “don‘t take a full one mate, they‘re really strong, just take half and see how you get on“. It was fantastic, the euphoria, the feeling of self confidence, the heightened  sense of love, closeness. I knew I was high, yet complete self-control. There were a few guys there know for being a bit handy, on a night out on beer they always ended up fighting, on this night, on MDMA, they’re hugging strangers, not beating them. Then I just remember sitting there watching all my friends having a great time, thinking to myself, how can something that makes you feel like this be illegal. Then I took the other half.

My friends and I had been having a house party at my dealers house. It was around 3am when we ran out of cannabis. My dealer say’s lets get some more, so 3 of us left to pick up more cannabis from my dealers dealer. We were sat in the guys house as he chopped a few ounces off one of his many ’9 Bars’ he had stashed in the house. As he’s about to pass it over to my dealer his phone rings, he answered, I watched the colour drain from his face and a look of panic set in. He jumps out of his chair, shouts ’cheers’ as he puts the phone down, then runs out of the living room. He came back in with a carrier bag full of blocks of cannabis, bags of speed, scales, weights and a huge bag of pills, then shoves this bag on my dealers lap, ’get it out my house and stashed, the police are doing a bust soon’, he then gives me and my friend a pre-cut quarter of cannabis each out of his pocket, then rushes us out the door. At around 6am the police broke his door down, they found nothing and had to pay for a new (stronger) door. I do not know who rang him or how that person knew.

We were getting high in school on all sorts of stuff (including alcohol). None of us cared. It must have been hell for some of my teachers. I was also giving my parents lots of hassle and had given my mum a nervous breakdown.

A friend had the same birthday as me, I was 15, he was 23. We went over to another town, had been drinking cider and snorting speed for a few hours, we were walking around town, when he decided that he wanted to take a car for a spin. We walked for a while, then he just said “this one”, took out a screwdriver, within 10 seconds the lock was popped, he was in and opening the passenger side door. Another 10 seconds the casing was off and the car was ticking over. As he tried to snap the steering lock, a man stood next to the drivers door, walked to the back of the car, checked the number plate and started walking towards the drivers door. My mate opened the door, as he started getting out the man said ‘this is my car’. My mate just said ‘I know’ shoved the guy out the way (my mate was over 6ft), then ran, I followed. Shortly afterwards we were both arrested. So I spent 8 hours in a police station on my 15th birthday. I’d never stolen a car, nor wanted to, I was with the wrong person at the wrong time. I was sentenced 1 year conditional discharge, which I was informed by my friends meant don’t get caught for a year.

Then age’s 16 and early 17 were hell for me. Still addicted to speed, I’d been kicked out. It was the first time in my life I had ever seen my dad cry. My parents couldn’t control me. Believe me, they tried so hard. I’d given my mum another breakdown so it was the final straw. I was dossing here and there between friends houses, sleeping in sheds, I even slept in an old caravan in the woods that was used as a sheep hut, covered in pooh.

I never actually stole money to buy the drugs, it was always to pay off the dealers. I always had a plan to get the money, then the bank would take out charges for being overdrawn, £20 short. I’d smoke or snort too much of what I was selling, now I’m £50 short. Then I’d get more to sell off another dealer on ‘tick’ and the cycle began. For me this was rock bottom. At 16 this position was impossible to get out of. You don’t pay, you don’t walk for 6 weeks. That was the only choice. They won’t wait until the next pay day and they don’t care how you get the money. Its theirs and you owe it. With only being 16 the banks wouldn’t allow me to take out a loan (but they’d quite happily take out £20, taking me over my overdraft, then charging me another £20 the month after), so I ended up stealing from my mum and dad, my own brother, my friends, I’m talking hundreds of pounds (thousands of pounds all together). They all completely lost their respect and trust for me. How could I do this to them? What sort of animal hurts his own family?

The dealers are smart, well smarter than you think. Plus it’s always ’them doing you a favour‘. They are a little more psychopathic than they appear. After all, they don’t want to spend time behind bars or beaten up/killed by their dealers. As I was getting older, friends got greedier, more people started dealing, more people to get into debt with. Friends were no longer friends. Even though most of them knew it would be hard (if not impossible) for me to pay back, they’d keep saying, “go on, I’ll let you pay for it in two weeks” then three weeks, so I always owed money to some one. They know your in that position, so instead of not selling you any (like with banks they give you a credit check and say no), they say “why don’t you buy an ounce, sell it to your mates in eighths and you get an eighth free for yourself”, knowing full well I was going to smoke more than an eighth. Or the one dealer would say “why just buy 1 gram of speed for £10 when I’ll sell you a quarter (7g) for £40”. I was only 16.

Some of the other 16 year olds were selling to 14 year olds and they were offering it to the first formers in secondary school, it wasn’t just cannabis either.

I was in a lot of debt with dealers, so I went to a town in another direction to buy drugs. I walked in to a dealers house to buy some speed, I didn’t really know him that well, he was a friend of a friend. He gave me a line to test, it was rubbish, most of my other dealers cut the speed 2/1 (2 grams pure speed + 1 gram of glucose, maximises profits), this dealer must have cut it 1 gram of pure speed with 2 gram of glucose if not more. I told him there was no chance I was handing over money for sugar and told him his stuff was s***. I walked out. I had to wait about half an hour for the train, it was dark by the time I got back to my flat. I had to go into an alley, then round the back in between two buildings to get to the entrance, with no outdoor lighting. As I’m fumbling with the keys someone grabbed me by the shoulders, slams me into the wall and punches me in the stomach. Then pinned me up against the wall. Two other lads came running round the corner. One of them the dealer I’ve just left. He pulls out a knife, slides it down my face, across my chest, down one arm then holds it against my throat (by this time I had literally wet myself). He looks me in the eye, “You ever say my stuffs s*** to anyone and I’ll slit your throat open”. He punched me in the face then they kicked me a few times and left. Luckily he’d only paper cut me as a warning, well, I still have some scars. That day I thought was my last.

A friend of mine had the same kind of debt problems with the dealers. He lost his part time job and couldn’t pay off his debt. It was no more than £50. The dealer then broke my mates arm. We were still in school at the time. My mate couldn’t write for weeks, let alone find another part time job.

Then through 17, I spent most of it hiding because I was in so much debt with the dealers. One had already came to my flat and split my head open nearly killing me, the doctors said I was lucky it wasn’t more serious. Also I was punched round the back of the head by a ‘friend’, then while I was on the floor he kicked my head into the kerb and split my eyebrow open. More stitches. It was awful. I became a hermit for a while. But that gave me time to think about my life. I finally overcame my speed addiction, I must say was a terrible experience in itself, I have never felt anything so horrific ever, yet nothing in comparison with my friends withdrawal giving up heroin.

Age 17 just turning 18, I’m looking hard at my life thinking what the hell am I doing to myself, my family and my friends. I was thinking about what my parents had told me over the years and that I’d ignored them, lied to them, stole from them. The pain and suffering I had caused. The first time your guilt kicks in, its painful. I think without the religion along with the guidance, respect and discipline from my parents I may have never felt this kind of guilt. The sort that really makes you ashamed of things you have done. My brother and I were close as teenagers, until I stole from him on numerous occasions. I thought he was going to beat me up, instead he walked up to me, looked me in the eye, shook his head, turned his back and walked away. That hurt more than any beating he possibly could have given me and the effect mentally was fourfold. How could he ever forgive me? 

I started looking for a job. I was offered a job at an adventure centre. The boss there was the nicest, kindest bloke I’ve ever met. He was someone to look up to. Giving me a chance after looking at my past few years, he had my respect from day one. All of the staff there were great, great people. When we had groups come in for a week it was amazing to see the different backgrounds kids come from. We had kids from mainly secondary schools. We had nice kids and we had nasty kids, I soon realised the things that happened to me, was happening to these kids, from different parts of the country, so it wasn’t just where I lived. You had to adjust your behaviour with each group. Learn how to keep control of each situation. I’ll never forget when my boss asked me to give the welcome speech and lead through the forest, whichever way I go, the group goes. It was a weird feeling, having 24 sets of eyes glaring at you waiting to be told what to do and being called sir. It was my first real experience of responsibility. Working there taught me self respect and how to gain respect. But some of the instructors took cannabis and so did some of the teachers. Teachers drank alcohol and did get tipsy, some smoked cannabis and they were all nice, respectable, responsible people, none of them got completely drunk or stoned, it was just a way for them to chill out and relax after a hard, long stressful day at work. It made me step back and think about things I’d heard growing up, ‘all people who take illegal drugs are evil criminals’ attitude, maybe it was wrong, just because I chose an alternative drug to alcohol didn’t mean I had to be part of a stereotype. Not everyone who takes drugs, abuses drugs all day long and are jobless or lazy, they can be normal good people.

My parents could see I was getting my life back on track so I was allowed to stay at their house for weekends as it was a live-in job at the adventure centre.

I used to be the sort of lad that always said yes and never knew when to say no. I’ll never forget one of the first times I actually said no. I had a few mates in the town, we’d get up to all sorts of stuff, like drawing offensive pictures on walls, making loads of noise at night, breaking peoples property. One of the lads is three years younger than me, but he looked a lot older. At the time I was 18, working at the adventure centre. He was 15. We’d known each other for years and had always hung around with each other in the past. He’d bought a right scrap of a car for about £30, bit’s falling off and it was a nightmare to start up. I had came to the town for a weekend and the lads shouted me over to view this skip on wheels. I helped bump start it, “Come on, come for a spin!!” my 15 year old mate asks, sat in the drivers seat. “NO“, I actually said no. Off they went into the night. I went to bed that night feeling like a wimp. I felt like I’d some how turned my back on my friends. The next morning I found out there had been an accident. My 15 year old friend had hit a bollard, flipped the car on its roof, smashed out of the windscreen, landed 150ft away from the crash, he did survive, but was badly scarred, the other two had minor injuries and I’d had a lovely sleep. Thank god I said no! I will keep saying no.

I met a girl who was on holiday in the town my parents lived in. I paid all my drug debts, gave up my job and moved to be closer with my girlfriend. We’ve been together since then and are now very happily married. We own our own home, and are both in full time employment. I have gained the respect, love and trust of my family, including my brother who, to be honest, is my best mate now.

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We have been to Amsterdam for our wedding anniversary and again for our birthdays. It was such a nice feeling not to have to go to a dealers house. It was an even nicer feeling not to be breaking the law. You sit in a peaceful coffeeshop, have a joint and a coffee, listening to relaxing music. I was sat in a coffeeshop, coffee on the table and smoking a joint, when a police officer walked by, I waved and said good morning, he smiled, nodded and replied ’morning’. How fantastic. No kids hanging around on corners, no one asking for ‘tick’. Nothing dodgy. No need to associate with the wrong crowd again. Brilliant. In Amsterdam the law states cannabis is only to be smoked in private houses and coffeeshops. A friend said “smoke it in the hotel, just hang out the window“, “No, I don’t think so“ I replied. ‘Why not? You break the law in this country’’, he quickly remarked. So I just said “Their government are accommodating my wish to use cannabis as my choice of drug and provide me with a place to buy and consume it, so there is no reason whatsoever for me to break the law“ Simple as that.

I really don’t enjoy breaking the law consuming cannabis or other recreational drugs here in the U.K, but alcohol does not agree with me. I am nasty and violent when drunk. More than 1 pint and it effects me that way. I also don’t enjoy handing my money to a dealer. The person he buys his stuff from may sell other drugs, like cocaine. Then that guys dealer might deal in guns and heroin. Then the bloke he’s buying from is a terrorist or drug lord and involved in some kind of serious organised crime. They’re the one’s getting my money at the end of the day. It’s disturbing to think about sometimes. The only reason they’re getting all the money is because the drugs are illegal.

‘They’ say cannabis is the beginning of all drugs, ’They’ are wrong. I believe that the dealers are, along with tobacco and alcohol. If I didn’t smoke I wouldn’t have been behind the woodwork shop at school. If I wouldn’t have been drunk on numerous occasions I would never have experienced a ‘buzz’ from a form of drug and may have been more cautious about other drugs. If I wasn’t taught lies at school, then seen the true effects with my own eyes, I possibly wouldn’t have taken ecstasy. There is nothing worse than dealers. Why are children taking drugs?  They are mixing with other children who take drugs and dealers are selling it to them.

It only makes a difference for a while when dealers get arrested, their friends wait a while for things to calm down, then they start dealing, keeping his mates ‘business’ going until he gets out of prison or just taking over completely. The more crackdowns on the dealers, the more underground and dangerous they become. More teenagers will be used to distribute, unfortunately, the threat by the dealers of ‘if you grass me up I’ll kill you‘, is not just a threat, it’s real, so these teenagers are not prepared to ‘grass’ up their dealers/friends.

I heard on the radio that since the ‘dob in a dealer’ came into action over 1500 people have been arrested. What it doesn’t say is that 5000 more people have started dealing and they’ve gone more underground. Dealers thrive on other dealers getting caught, they learn from the others mistakes and profit from them. At the illegal outdoor parties I used to go to (back in 1996-7), I could stand on a wall and shout “has any one got any pills?”, sure enough between 5 and 10 dealers would walk over. Two years later it would never happen, undercover police would be watching, the dealers knew it, because of the arrests at the previous parties. Word spreads like wild fire, especially if it involves getting caught. Most of my dealers who were raided never had more than a quarter (of an ounce) in the house. The rest was stashed outside, under a bush, in the wall, down drains, under the undergrowth. One dealer even used to bury his stash, cover it with leaves then put a condom with spit in it on top of the leaves. What do you do when you see a used condom on the floor, you keep away, exactly what he wanted. The police didn’t have a clue either and for some strange reason they’d always do a bust on the wrong day or time. Usually just after its all sold or all stashed. I also know of dealers who ’tip off’ the police about another dealer on ‘his patch‘, just so he can take the ’business’ back. Watching one of those police T.V programmes, there was a man caught growing cannabis with an estimated £150’000 street value worth, he got 3 years and will probably only serve ½ of that. I say only, as a friend of mine who served 2 years for dealing said prison was a joke and he had a better, easier lifestyle in prison than at home, he also made a few more ‘contacts‘ there. I wonder why there are so many repeat offenders?

After numerous well respected scientists tried to get the truth out they were silenced by our Labour government and resigned because they had strong scientific evidence that was being ignored. Alcohol. Its addictive, people are put into hospital for overdoses every weekend, hundreds are injured in road accidents because of it, people on it are sometimes aggressive, loud, rude, disruptive or emotional. In 2009 there were over 1000 alcohol related deaths, over 10’000 people hospitalised, yet it’s totally legal. It has now been publicly announced that MDMA is less/equally harmful than alcohol. So for me, the law is the wrong way round, but that is only my opinion. I don’t want alcohol to be made not legal, it is about the amount and how often you consume, one word, RESPONSIBILITY. Everyone has a choice on how much alcohol to consume. There are no official guidelines on how much cannabis, MDMA, LSD or cocaine to consume, that’s in the dealers hands, how much can they sell, no limits.

Normal, hardworking, taxpaying people like myself can’t stand up and say ‘I take drugs and I am normal’, because we would be punished for that. So the only publicity the drugs get, is bad publicity because it’s the drug abusers in the papers. The headline in one paper said ‘The boys smoke blow to give them bravado’, but reading the story fully the person actually said ‘the boys drink and smoke blow to give them more bravado to riot’. For people who flick through the headlines or don’t finish the story, aren’t aware of the truth and immediately associate one drug with bad things, when there are so many other factors involved. A story a few days later involved 2 people getting beaten up by 10 drunken yobs, but the headline did not say ’Drunken Gang Attack’, It just said ’Charity runners attacked’. 99% of the time, the main reason is normally who and what kind of people they are, not what substance they are taking.

My parents knew some of my dealers, I always expected them to ‘grass them up’, but they didn’t. This year I asked my parents why they didn’t inform the police. It turns out they were scared, scared they would be found out and either them, there home, my brother or myself would be harmed, or that my brother and myself would run away and loose us completely to the criminal world. Thinking about my old dealers, they would have been in serious danger. The person I was back then, I know I would have ran away if my parents would have ‘grassed‘ in a friend (dealer). My mum told me how torn they were, but they had to watch us make mistakes and hope we learned from them. Now I realise what a difficult and possibly dangerous situation I put my parents in. Then there’s the bigger picture, even if they would have informed the police, I knew too many dealers, it wouldn‘t have made a difference the few dealers my parents knew of getting busted. It was a loose, loose situation.

Cannabis is a small profit drug, most dealers cannot survive just by selling small quantities of cannabis. Most dealers only make £20-40 an ounce. A friend was picking up 100 ecstasy tablets for £200 (this is going back to 2000, it is cheaper now. He would sell 1 ‘e’ to his friends for £3, to his punters he’d sell 1 for £5 and at the nightclubs he’d sell them for £10. This happened every weekend. Its still happening today, not just by him, but by thousands of other dealers all over the country. Same with speed, they would buy an ounce, mix it with half ounce of glucose, almost doubling their profit. My dealers sometimes bragged about how much they had made, some made more money in one night than I’d make in a week working 60hours. Their profits would buy even more drugs, more than what people really wanted, so they started pushing drugs, so many times I heard the words “go on, you can pay me next week” or “sell them to your mates“. I really can understand why young people think the lifestyle of a dealer is good, lots of cash, quick. With small chance of being caught.

With all drugs, the effects vary between people. Myself when I drink I become aggressive and violent. So I do not drink enough to get drunk. Friends I have can drink 6 pints of lager and still be standing straight. I can have a few joints and feel nice and relaxed, other friends get paranoid, so they don’t get stoned. Its not just a choice, everyone reacts to drugs differently. I don’t really enjoy drinking, when I go out with people who don’t take drugs, I always nominate myself as the designated driver, preferring to stay sober all night than having a pint. Other acquaintances of mine, like myself also become highly aggressive when drunk, they’re the sort of lads that would put a bottle over your head, trash your garden, smash all the street lights, or drink and drive. The problem is, they know exactly how they react to alcohol, but they don’t care. They keep getting drunk and end up committing crimes. That’s why I do not class them as friends and do not associate with them anymore. There is a huge difference between me sitting in my own home taking a drug which may damage my health, than getting drunk legally and risk putting someone in hospital in a drunken brawl. It is the way alcohol effects me and there is nothing I can do to change that, I would personally prefer to harm myself illegally than harm others on a legal drug. I find people who are stoned or high are better able to communicate with strangers. Unlike at the pub/club when an accidental bump into someone, sometimes becomes a ‘death stare’ or a fight.

In the 14 years I have taken drugs, the people with brain damage or forms of mental illness have mixed and heavily abused drugs, including alcohol for years. I know people in their 50’s and 60’s who have used drugs and alcohol all their lives, in moderation and responsibly, they are all completely normal. A friend’s wife works with people with mental illnesses, he said that 60% of them took cannabis, therefore it should remain illegal. I asked him 3 questions, Was cannabis the only drug that these people had taken? Did they have a few joints every now and then, or did they heavily abuse the drugs? What is the difference between someone who drinks alcohol and someone who smokes cannabis? His answer to the first was, ‘well, yes they took other drugs’, to the second, ‘well, yes they were heavy users’ to the third ‘well, cannabis is illegal’. If someone took other drugs while taking part in medical research, surely that would compromise the results. There is no difference between a cannabis user and someone who drinks alcohol, they both use drugs, both drugs are harmful, both drugs can be abused. So by my logic both should have the same legal status.

I know of people who use cannabis for arthritic pain, for Parkinson’s, AIDS and M.S.

Okay, there is no denial, drugs can be harmful to the health, we know, so is smoking, drinking, driving, flying, eating too much salt, fat, red meat ect.. ect, the list goes on. The government aren’t going to fine or arrest people for being obese, they’re doing more damage to their heath than I am using cannabis. The government won’t ban alcohol because of binge drinking or drink driving. Then there’s sports like boxing, climbing, skydiving, racing, all of which can result in serious injury or death. Are we going to arrest people who get a tattoo? I can get my head sliced open and have ball bearings put under the skin, so it looks like I’ve got horns. We have sun beds, UV lights, that can cause cancer when abused. There are so many organizations trying to legalise drugs, there are so many shops in the high streets selling everything to use them (bongs, pipes, extra large rolling papers, choppers, testing kits, snorting kits, grow kits, seeds, legal highs and rolling machines), is it any wonder that being against the law just isn’t enough anymore. Even though they are illegal, they are somehow socially acceptable already.

The newspapers are using the words ‘Super Skunk’ saying this is an ‘extremely dangerous’ strong form of cannabis.  Lets just say, as an example, you have a can of lager, it’s 5.4%vol and you have a bottle of Whisky at 40%vol. That’s more than 5 times stronger. Do you say it is an extremely dangerous strong form of alcohol, no, you say it’s stronger, so consume a smaller amount. You wouldn’t have three pints of whisky would you? The same applies for so called ‘Super Skunk’, It’s stronger so you require and consume less. I’m going to put it another way too, skunk cannabis is grown, cropped, dried, smoked. No process or chemicals are involved. ‘Hash’ or ‘Soap Bar’ solid forms of cannabis are man-made, Powdered cannabis leaf and a small amount of hash oil is mixed (hash oil is made using acetone, alcohol, ethanol or petroleum ethers). Then PVA glue, beeswax, paraffin wax and condensed milk are used to bind it. Henna ink, coffee, dark brown shoe polish or tar is used to colour the mixture. Used engine oil, straw, grass (anything really) is also added to bulk it up.  Then turpentine is used to disguise the smell (these man made types of cannabis only contain around 5% cannabis!). So in reality which is the most dangerous? Unfortunately, its so much cheaper and people don’t know what they are smoking, if they did, they would all smoke skunk or weed.

My friend worked for a company for over 4 years, he had no warnings or disciplinary actions during his employment, he got on well with everyone at work and was a well paid, hardworking taxpayer. Then his company brought in a new random drugs test policy and he lost his job, not because he took drugs at work, or came in late, or took days off, it was because he had a few spiffs at home on his day off. To the cost of the taxpayer, who then paid his rent, council tax, benefits and because of the black mark ’druggie’ on his reference, he found it hard to find another job, so started dealing instead. He only smoked cannabis. Did he really deserve that for smoking a spiff at home on a Saturday night? We would all fully agree someone getting sacked for being under the influence of any drug at work. So many times people I have worked with have taken Saturday or Monday off because they have been drinking all weekend, yet they don’t loose their jobs, they’re left to just carry on as normal. He was a normal hardworking, respectable guy who took drugs, until he was labelled a criminal and punished for it, then turned him into an on-benefits drug dealer. Not everyone who takes drugs are all mindless, illiterate, jobless monsters, who want to get ’wrecked’ all day, every day, we’re normal responsible people. We just want a choice without being punished for it.

I over heard someone say that if drugs are legalised then more people would get robbed because the drugs would be easily available. It’s nonsense. Do you go out stealing before you go to the pub for your pint? People are not getting mugged over cannabis, LSD or MDMA, its for the hard addictive drugs like heroin & crack. Its also the people who need the money to pay off uncontrollable drug debts which the DEALERS are putting them in, with the constant thought of “if I don’t pay this guy back, he’s GOING to put me in hospital”.

The ‘War on drugs’ is a never ending war and doesn’t help anyone. It criminalizes normal people who do nothing but harm themselves, but are treated like criminals just for using a drug.

When the government made magic mushrooms illegal, again making innocent people criminals, they in fact made the situation worse. Now anyone who enjoyed the ’trip’ has to buy LSD, or illegally grown mushrooms, again putting money into the drug dealers pockets. As a responsible adult and not abusing the drug, I find the mushroom ‘trip’ an enjoyable, spiritual, meditative, thought provoking experience. One of my mushroom experiences cured my arachnophobia. I used to go picking mushrooms twice a year, but now being illegal, there is less chance getting caught buying an LSD tab, than picking mushrooms in an open field for all to see. There are other legal alternatives, but they are either more powerful, have more side effects or are more dangerous. Plus they don’t have the same nice warm feeling, some instead are too intense, loosing all sense of time, space and reality. One legal alternative I tried literally made me feel like my face was joined to the wall, I didn’t know where I was, who I was or what I was doing for 20 minutes and that was a small dose of a weak strength. Another was a ‘trip’, but no feelings, no spirituality. Others I have not tried but have researched give a nauseous, sick feeling, can cause internal bleeding or induce severe vomiting. What the government should have done is put an age limit of 21, gave full dosage/effects instructions and gave a cooling off period before a purchase.

There are drugs which I understand why people thought being illegal would save the public, but the law is not working. My own speed addiction, my friends heroin addiction and other life experiences. I was lucky knowing heroin addicts so young, I was warned by them it was the most evil drug and to never try it, repeating ‘all it takes is 1 hit, do not try it‘. At 13, sat in a 30yr old heroin addicts flat, seeing how this person lives, struggles to get by, looking at how much their body has deteriorated. Seeing he had nothing in life, because of 1 drugs effects. He used to ‘clean’ my dealers ashtrays, taking all of the cigarette ends and joint ends, splitting them open and using the stale, smelly tobacco for his weeks smoking. That was the best heroin prevention I have ever had, a true life experience, not the rubbish I was taught in school. So in my opinion there are drugs which need to remain unavailable to everyone (but not illegal). This is about drug connections, not drug use. I did not smoke a joint and think to myself “I want to try speed”, nor did my friend take cocaine then think, “now I’ll become heroin addict”. I was in a place it was being offered, the person selling it didn’t care about selling it to a 13 year old, nor did he stop selling when he realised I was becoming addicted, nor did he care when he got a 15 year old addict over £100 in debt without a job. My friends dealer did not care when he gave him heroin, he did not care when my friend became addicted and he wasn’t at my friends funeral after he injected an air bubble into his system. We need to take people away from these places and away from these people, not bury our heads in the sand and punish every drug user.

People supposedly died from a particular legal drug, unfortunately what was being ignored is the fact this drug was taken either, with a cocktail of other drugs (including alcohol), or taken in far too high doses. In one of the deaths the unfortunate girl had taken a cocktail of ecstasy, cocaine, alcohol, ketamine and mephedrone. Yet only mephedrone was blamed in the story, another death after being blamed on mephedrone, turned out to be natural causes. Another, the girl took 10X the dose in one go, then complained she nearly died. I did take Mephedrone when it was legal, 0.5g could last my wife and I all night, we never experienced any of the bad side effects mentioned in the paper, people who claimed it was ‘moreish’, lacked self control. My wife and I bought 10g of Mephedrone and we never went over the 0.5g in one night, nor did we take it days on end. That 10g lasted us over 8 months. However, we did try Methylone, which we both got very BAD side effects from, exactly the ones mentioned in the paper. So we avoided using Methylone. So from my experiences using the drugs, possibly the wrong drug was blamed by the media. Could you imagine if the national papers made a headline out of every person who ended up in hospital due to alcohol. It would be a book. There are too many scare-mongers when it comes to drugs and unfortunately those who don’t understand, jump on the band wagon with their torches and pitch forks looking for something to blame. If I put my hand into a kettle of boiling water and burn myself, who is to blame? The kettle, the hot water, or me? If I take any drug I understand the consequences, no one is to blame except me. No one forced these people to take these or any drug, it was their choice. They stupidly did not research about what they were taking, overdosed repeatedly and abused these drugs. Using the excuse that ’it was legal, so they thought they could take as much as they liked’, it is a drug, can you drink as much vodka as you like? Can you take 24 Paracetamol in 1 go? Common sense clearly had no part. So instead of educating the public, the government ban it, putting it straight into the dealers hands and now its available to anyone, with no age limit, no tax, no control. Before the ban, I had to wait at least 24 hours from order to delivery, now after the ban I can get it in 10 minutes, but the quality and strength has been seriously compromised. The biggest problem with these new legal highs is that there are NO dosage or usage instructions. When you buy a pack of painkillers, it clearly states, take no more than two tables every 4 hours, no more than 8 tablets per day. Any adverse side effects seek medical advice immediately, proper information and education, clearly printed. Not just ‘here’s a bag of 200 painkillers, take as much as you like‘. When my dealer sold me a bag of speed he didn’t say, “take no more than 0.1g doses, 1 line every 4 hours, do not use it over prolonged periods“. I did not become a speed addict on my first line, it was after months/years of abuse, sometimes taking more than 4g daily. If I would have taken this in moderation, responsibly, I would not have built up a dependency and not become addicted.

Professor Ian Gilmore has written a statement published in the Sun Newspaper, then a sun writer has commented on it. The Sun says;  “…….A chef is dead after leaping off a cliff under its influence. Hospitals report a flood of Ivory wave casualties. So this is hardly a sensible moment for a top doctor call for drugs to be legalised. Professor Ian Gilmore says it would cut crime. But Britain cannot even deal sensibly with alcohol. Just imagine if cocaine was as freely available as lager…….” The professor was not calling for all drugs to be legalised. He certainly doesn’t mean that all drugs should be available to anyone, any age, any time, but should be regulated, licensed, with correct dosages and to take away the criminal element away from drugs. He clearly states in his statement “But different types of drugs require different laws and I should make it clear I am only discussing Heroin, not other drugs such as cannabis”. Nowhere in his statement did he say cocaine should be freely available like lager. In my opinion, cocaine could be prescribed by a doctor, to limit the amount purchased and used, for example no more than 3g per month. It is the perfect time to discuss legalising a certain few drugs so that these new, untested, dangerous legal highs would stop being produced. So all the deaths associated with these new legal highs wouldn’t happen. MDMA was illegal, so instead people used an alternative like BZP because it was legal, people died then it was made illegal, so people turned to Meow (Mephedrone) and Methylone, people died, it was made illegal, and what has come about banning these substances? More illegal drugs the dealers can sell and another new legal high, more dangerous, less tested, that we don‘t know the full effects of. Does banning another one truly make sense? Another one will just be produced. People are going to get high whether on alcohol, ecstasy, butane gas, glue, cocaine, sleeping pills, painkillers or cannabis, legality makes no difference. What help, advice people get makes a difference, education makes a difference, what choices we have make a difference. We cannot punish everyone because a few misuse it. If the Sun writer feels that Britain cannot deal sensibly with alcohol why have they not yet made a campaign to ban alcohol like they did with Meow? Money is the first factor, I wonder how much money the full page advert for ASDAs cheap alcohol on page 28 made them? The other is self indulgence, they drink themselves, so they don’t want it banned, it is their choice of drug. The way they feel about alcohol ‘why should I not be allowed to drink because some idiots drink and drive or go out binge drinking‘, is the same for me, ’why can’t I have a spliff or an ecstasy tablet every now and then, just because someone else uses too much‘. The following day in the paper is was reported that the owner of the shop that sold the legal high ‘Ivory Wave’ to the chef was arrested. I’m very confused about this, A man goes to the pub and drinks 7 pints, he leaves and drives home drunk. He crashes and kills himself. Is the Landlord of the pub then prosecuted for selling him the alcohol? The media need to define the difference between a drug user and someone who abuses drugs, including alcohol, not just label all drug users as criminals and junkies who need punishing. What is the difference between an alcoholic and a heroin addict? You cannot punish one and help the other. You cannot turn and say drugs cannot be legalised because people will abuse them, when they are being abused already and not challenge the legal status of alcohol and tobacco. By that same logic surely we should start imprisoning fat people for abusing food or banning all high fat products. No more cream buns for everyone because a few ’can’t say no’. Are they not damaging their health? We all heard of the 42 stone lady, the taxpayer paid for her to live, we paid for her food, rent, council tax, medical costs, yet she was not punished for it.

The current drug laws go back to 1971 (if not older). Could you imagine if all of the laws back then were valid today. After 39 years, the government can hold its head high and say to the public, “it’s time we looked over the classifications, re-evaluate and re-organise them in the correct orders, for ALL drugs including alcohol and tobacco”. I would strongly urge the government to take back the well respected scientists who resigned under Labour, because they were being ignored on all levels. They are part of a key factor in resolving an endless drug war that will never be won, these people need to be listened to. I wish I was a scientist and fully understood exactly what every drug really does. Then be able to say these drugs should be legal, but I’m not. What I read now, I don’t know what to believe, what is the truth?

I heard a police officer say on ’Our Drugs War’ on Channel 4, that the crossover between drugs being legal or not, would be impossible to happen overnight. Which I completely agree with. It would, however, be possible to have a 4 phase switch.
Phase 1. The drugs advisory council re-evaluate/re-examine and lay out a new classification scale.
Phase 2. It is decided between the drugs advisory council and the government which drugs should be made legal. Guidelines set out, dosages worked out and maximum selling quantities to the public. Where they will be sold? Chemist/doctors/drug outlet.
Phase 3. Licences are granted for the manufacture/production/growing of drugs, and for ‘drug outlets’. (No one allowed to sell)
Phase 4. The laws are changed, the drug outlets will be allowed to purchase from the Licensed makers/growers only. Only allowed to sell maximum amounts to the public, set out by the drug advisory council.
This way you have at least 1 year to discuss, 1 year to plan, 1 year to prepare. Each of these phases should be announced to the public, so that the public know their interests are being looked at properly and finally have an honest open government.

I believe that a new law should be made, dealing to someone below 21, where the sentence should be doubled automatically.

All drugs are bad when abused. It is about responsibility, research, knowledge and respect. We need to take the main drugs off the streets completely, to limit the reason why people would need to go to a dealer, the only way to do this is to legalise a certain few drugs and allow them to be made, grown, sold legally in this country. People wouldn‘t buy a more dangerous MDMA replica illegally (Mephedrone/Methylone/BZP/Ivory Wave), if MDMA was available legally. To take the drugs and profit out of the dealers hands. Allow the government to control what age group and what dosage. Educate the public truthfully.

Some drugs made illegally, are not ‘quality controlled’ and are mixed with alternative cheaper chemicals or similar chemicals (ecstasy instead of being all MDMA like it should, they are sometimes mixed with ketamin, heroin or MDMA replicas like mephedrone, methylone and BZP), if they were made in legitimate laboratories, by professionals, the ingredients, quality and strength could be controlled. It would also prevent any of the new more dangerous, alternative un-tested legal highs being made and sold on the market as plant feeder and bath salts. There would be no need for them. It would eliminate the need to import illegal drugs. At the moment ecstasy and LSD come with various imprints, for example there are dove’s, red dragons, if legal, each individual laboratory could have its own unique imprint, so any illegal activity can be linked directly back to them, then the police can look through their records to find out exactly who it’s been sold to, making their job easier to find the true criminals in our society.

I also strongly believe in a ‘users’ licence. Only because there are too many idiots who lack self control, self respect and show no public decency. This is a way to control our drug situation, to say to the public, if you abuse drugs (including alcohol), we will take the responsibility out of your hands and we will have a way to prevent you from buying them ourselves by taking away this licence. This licence should be for persons 21 years old or over. When someone applies for this licence a booklet is sent out listing all of the legal drugs, their effects, side effects, long term health issues. Warning about the misuse and over use of drugs. There should be a disclaimer to say that the person fully understands that drugs should be taken responsibly, they have read in full the booklet and hold themselves fully responsible for the drugs they choose to take. Sign it and return to the licensing office. Then if anyone acts irresponsibly, misuses any drug, overdoses or misuses the licence, it could be revoked for 1 month or 1 year. Any further misuse will result in a permanent suspension of licence. Without this licence it should be impossible to buy anything from any drug outlet. Currently, people receive a ban from buying alcohol, but there is no possible way to inform everywhere that this person cannot buy alcohol. So they go to the next town to buy it instead. With a licence, it would be a simple case of no licence, no drugs of any kind, anywhere in the UK.

If you could go into a chemist to buy 3 ecstasy tablets and put a limit on that, that would be a maximum dose for 1 person over 24hrs. There would be no reason for anyone to purchase more for personal use alone. If the government can say to the public, we are allowing you to take a choice of drugs legally, responsibly, so these drugs are safer, so you are safer, so you don’t have to be a criminal or mix with a criminal gang to get recreational drugs anymore, then a tough punishment for illegal drugs/dealing would be justified and understandable. The way the law is now, to say ‘you can drink and smoke, but everything else is bad and you must be punished for it’, is out dated, incorrect  and unfair on millions of people. That’s partly why the law is being ignored.

Heroin and other true hard drugs (I have seen with my own eye’s the difference between a (rock) ‘crack‘ cocaine hit and (snorted) cocaine hit, I would never touch ‘crack‘), I do not believe these hard drugs should be sold to the public. All addicts should be given the same drugs free on the NHS and rehabilitate them off it using those drugs, not the more addictive substitutes used. Again, taking all the addicts and the drugs away from the illegal dealers would seriously damage their ‘business‘. The way things are, no money whatsoever goes back into the community, towards education, towards NHS and the police, instead it is taken away from them.

Some countries have the right idea but don’t stop the main dealers. For example, a place in Canada provides a place for addicts to get clean needles, shows them medically the correct procedure for injecting and provides them a safe place to inject their own drugs, so it’s good for the user, but it doesn’t take anything away from the dealers. In Holland, its legal to use certain drugs and buy them legally, but illegal to make or sell in big amounts, again it’s good for the user, but takes nothing away from the main dealers. There are various countries that are similar, all make it better for the user, by educating and licensing but don’t control where and who the drugs are coming from, so in a sense actually make it worse by making the illegal dealers lives easier and still make a profit. We could easily get support from other countries, Columbia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Thailand, to say to them we will buy it from you in the plant/leaf form (for cocaine), raw opium form (for heroin), we will process them in our own country. Allowing their farmers to grow legally, getting the right pay, right working conditions, without being hunted down by the police and without the threat from the drug gangs. Then being processed by Licensed Lab’s in the UK, making more taxpaying jobs. Taking the crops, money and transport away from the criminal gangs, not just in the UK, but worldwide. There are billions of pounds being spent trying to stop drugs, it is just an impossible task. Unfortunately there is just too much money and corruption involved.

Until we can buy certain drugs legally, dealers have full control of the drugs situation. The government needs to control the situation and profit from the revenue gained. Put that money back into the community, towards the police force, hospitals and schools. That’s billions of pounds out of the drug dealers pockets and into the governments. I’m also sure that if there was a wider choice of legal drugs from legal sources, more people would be prepared to inform the police of illegal dealing. If you try going into a coffeeshop in Amsterdam and asking for heroin, they’d throw you out!! They don’t want to loose their licence, their business, their livelihood by involving themselves or their business in illegal activity.

One of the questions the Home Office are asking the public ‘How do we prevent drug use?’ From my experiences, my knowledge of the drug community, the drug world, in my opinion there is no way. It is impossible to stop the production and dealing of drugs, while they are illegal, they are a financial key in the criminal world. We need to look at countries like Thailand and America, in Thailand there is the death penalty for drugs, has it stopped drug use? In America the police can entrap you, arrest you and will imprison you for a small amount of cannabis, has it stopped drug use? 

I can honestly say I will always take drugs, whether they are legal or not. It’s up to the government to choose whether I buy from a drug lord and give my money to the criminal world or buy from licensed premises and give my money to the country. This is not about the interest of my health, or I would not be able to skydive, smoke and drink. I ask myself why is it that when people die climbing mountains, skydiving, boxing, friends and family say “they died doing what they loved”, they were doing a dangerous sport for an adrenaline rush, they risked their lives doing that sport and died, but that’s okay, no one calls for these to be banned. However, when someone dies taking drugs “it’s a waste of life, it must be banned”. So because of my experiences, attitude and opinions, I cannot abide by a law I strongly disagree with.

My wife and I both work full-time, 45-50hrs a week, we have a mortgage, we have no uncontrollable debts, we are very happy with our lives. I become violent when drunk, which I feel not only puts members of the pubic at risk, but my friends and worse of all my loving wife. I, as an adult, have made a conscious decision to take alternative drugs, which I react perfectly well to and do not abuse. We don’t use drugs to forget about our lives, we take drugs to get high, no other reason. We are not thieves, benefit cheats, vandals, fraudsters, we don’t play loud music or go out looking to cause trouble. So I have two questions, do we deserve to be hunted by the police, arrested, loose our jobs, possibly loose our home, then have to go on benefits, move into to a council flat, everything too the cost of the taxpayer (police time, court time, benefits), all because we use alternative drugs to alcohol? Does this honestly sound justified and reasonable?

I’m a no-body, I’m just a number. But this is my story, my opinions and my ideas of some possible solutions. I truly hope that one day a compromise can be made between the drug advisory council, the public, the police, the media and the government.


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Re: Drugs will NEVER be legislated, Drug users have no rights, from UK government. [Re: SpiritDreamer]
    #13801791 - 01/17/11 12:04 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

This is our wonderful governments response to us:

Our reference: T16049/10

Dear Mr ======,


Thank you for your e-mail of 09 September about the Government’s consultation on the development of the 2010 drug strategy.

I would like to renew our thanks for your interest in the drug strategy as well as for sharing your friend’s personal experience of issues around drug misuse as a response to the consultation.

I have read with interest ‘My Story’ part of your email which I have shared with other government department colleagues working on the consultation responses and the development of the drug strategy.

The consultation document set out the Government’s strategic vision on drug misuse. The aim of this targeted consultation was not to review the current legislative framework, but to seek the views of drugs sector and partners in the early stages of the development of the drug strategy, around its four key themes. We want to disrupt drug supply, strengthen enforcement and promote drug treatment with a focus on enabling people to become free of addiction, to recover fully and contribute to society and to prevent drug taking.

The international dimension of drug misuse issues and its legislative control is a global problem which poses an ongoing threat to people in many countries worldwide. The course taken will remain that of prohibition, as set out in the United Nations Conventions on drugs, and the UK will continue to support and meet its obligations under the Conventions largely through the UK’s Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. We have no plans to decriminalise drug use. Our approach shall continue to be based on the principles of shared responsibility and proportionality and takes account of all those affected, including dependent drug users, in full respect of fundamental freedoms and human rights.


The points you have raised have been noted.

Yours sincerely,

Cyrille Marcel
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    #13803538 - 01/17/11 05:25 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

I've been told I'm like a child poking a stick into a hornets nest and need to leave it alone before I get stung.

I'm told one voice won't change a thing.

When you've had drug dealers hunting you down, you know true fear, I do not fear my government.

I HAVE A DREAM! A dream of a better, fairer and safer world.


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    #13804324 - 01/17/11 07:48 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

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SpiritDreamer said:
I've been told I'm like a child poking a stick into a hornets nest and need to leave it alone before I get stung.

I'm told one voice won't change a thing.

When you've had drug dealers hunting you down, you know true fear, I do not fear my government.

I HAVE A DREAM! A dream of a better, fairer and safer world.


save this shit


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    #14864732 - 08/02/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I can't believe I just read that whole letter. It was very well written and I agree with you on most of your points.


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Re: Drugs will NEVER be legislated, Drug users have no rights, from UK government. [Re: jarman65]
    #14866421 - 08/03/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I know, its SO long. Sorry for that, there's so much more to say but I figured it would be too long.

Honestly, I'm not saying I'm absolutely right, but it shows another side to things and offers other alternative ideas to a prohibition which is unjust 'criminal' prosecution that hasn't worked for 40 years, and the situation is getting worse.

It also proves how incompetent the government is. I spent months writing that, the governments response answered NO questions and gave NO explanations. If someone asked why is stealing a crime, the answer is simple, you are taking something that does not belong to you, the result from your action by stealing directly effects innocent peoples lives, the crime has a victim. That victim wants justice.
Q. Why is drug use a crime?
A. The government "erm....... no comment".


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you shouldn't be doing it. :mushroom2:

youtube vid - 'the truth about drugs' - (part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTheOutspoken


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Re: Drugs will NEVER be legislated, Drug users have no rights, from UK government. [Re: SpiritDreamer]
    #14866848 - 08/03/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Disrupting the drugs supply is a great idea. That way even cannabis gets adulterated with glass powder, sugar, or in German, lead powder.

"best interests at heart." All the government cares about is that we are profitable, and don't think too much. That, and there's so much profit to be had keeping drugs illegal. Predatory system, but what sort of people do you think work in government?


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