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If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun
    #13799939 - 01/16/11 11:10 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Where do you draw the line?  Should every person of legal age be allowed to own an assault rifle?  What about a flamethrower?  A stick of dynamite?  A nuclear weapon?  At what point should we no longer be allowed to have a weapon?


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13799974 - 01/16/11 11:19 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

at the point you prove yourself to be a danger to the public, that's where we draw the line

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13799993 - 01/16/11 11:23 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

The point is where somebody with bigger/more guns coerces you into not getting one.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: DieCommie]
    #13800180 - 01/17/11 12:07 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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at the point you prove yourself to be a danger to the public, that's where we draw the line




What do you mean by "prove yourself to be a danger to the public"?  Take a sane, perfectly respectable middle-aged man who has no arrest record and no history of violent behavior.  Should he be allowed to own a stick of dynamite or a nuke?

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The point is where somebody with bigger/more guns coerces you into not getting one.




Heh, well I suspect that's what happens in actuality, but this is more of a philosophical question in that I'm asking what the laws should be.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #13800210 - 01/17/11 12:11 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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deCypher said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
at the point you prove yourself to be a danger to the public, that's where we draw the line




What do you mean by "prove yourself to be a danger to the public"?  Take a sane, perfectly respectable middle-aged man who has no arrest record and no history of violent behavior.  Should he be allowed to own a stick of dynamite or a nuke?




I know several with dynamite and other blasting agents, shit, I can get my
permit for them based on current and previous occupations, they wont let
me have nukes though, not even low yield, something about how there's no
practical use on a farm

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #13800214 - 01/17/11 12:12 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

So you think the criteria for owning a dangerous device should involve practical use apart from just killing?


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13800241 - 01/17/11 12:19 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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So you think the criteria for owning a dangerous device should involve practical use apart from just killing?





wow, so suddenly this has turned to 'everyone that has these things must be killers'

is dynamite only used for killing, arent hand guns used for also saving
lives, cant a flame thrower also have a practical use in fire prevention
or a semiautomatic be used for simple target practice and sport shooting?

havent nukes been used to curb many wars, saving millions of lives?

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: DieCommie]
    #13800726 - 01/17/11 03:30 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

> The point is where somebody with bigger/more guns coerces you into not getting one.

Ding!

According to the US Constitution, there is no line.  However, those with the bigger/more guns (the US Government) has decided to set a line for the "benefit of society".


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Seuss]
    #13801653 - 01/17/11 11:38 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

You can lose that right by your actions.  Like committing a felony.  Or being declared incompetent.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13801950 - 01/17/11 12:37 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

> You can lose that right by your actions.  Like committing a felony.  Or being declared incompetent.

I must have missed that part.  I assume this applies to all rights?  People with certain felonies are no longer given the right to freedom of speech, or freedom of press, or freedom of religion?  Break the law and you are required to convert to Christianity?  Somebody declared incompetent is no longer granted protection from self incrimination?  Interesting...


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Seuss]
    #13801971 - 01/17/11 12:42 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

"That right" was obviously only referring to the right to own weapons.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Seuss]
    #13802055 - 01/17/11 12:59 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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> You can lose that right by your actions.  Like committing a felony.  Or being declared incompetent.

I must have missed that part.  I assume this applies to all rights?  People with certain felonies are no longer given the right to freedom of speech, or freedom of press, or freedom of religion?  Break the law and you are required to convert to Christianity?  Somebody declared incompetent is no longer granted protection from self incrimination?  Interesting...



I know you aren't that obtuse.  You are aware that felons can lose the right to vote, right?  Similarly they can lose the right to own guns.  Free speech can also be restricted when it is abused, as in the case of harassing phone calls and such.  Further, someone declared incompetent is completely protected from self incrimination even if they choose to incriminate themselves.  Competent individuals have a right to incriminate themselves if they want to.  It happens quite often.  It's called confessing.  Incompetent people can't even do that.  Regarding religion you can be compelled to attend substance abuse programs.  Most of them are at least quasi-religious and quite a few blatantly religious.

If you fuck up you most certainly can lose rights.  Why, they can even put you in jail if you fuck up enough.  It happens.  Every day.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #13803247 - 01/17/11 04:40 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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deCypher said:
So you think the criteria for owning a dangerous device should involve practical use apart from just killing?





wow, so suddenly this has turned to 'everyone that has these things must be killers'




Where did I say that?  I'm just trying to determine reasonable criteria for allowing a citizen to own a weapon.  If a device's sole purpose is to kill someone (APART from self-defense) then should we be allowed to own it?


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13803825 - 01/17/11 06:15 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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So you think the criteria for owning a dangerous device should involve practical use apart from just killing?




Funny, to the best of my knowledge the most dangerous device ( one that has killed exponentially more than guns) is an automobile. These most certainly are very efficient killing machines. Perhaps individuals should not be allowed to drive, as the potential for abuse does exist.
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Where did I say that?  I'm just trying to determine reasonable criteria for allowing a citizen to own a weapon.  If a device's sole purpose is to kill someone (APART from self-defense) then should we be allowed to own it?




That's extremely ignorant and presumptuous of you. Guns are not just used for killing people, and neither are cars, although both can do so. Many enjoy hunting, target shooting, skeet shooting( which I believe is even an Olympic sport), as a deterrent to violence ( Si vis pacem para bellum), as well as to blow dandy little holes into any adversary that wishes to do you great bodily harm. Perhaps if I ever reenlist I will purchase literature on how to end conflict through endless discourse and sanctions, as this always seems to save lives. Why should we be allowed to have guns? Perhaps du to the fact the supreme law of the land, the one which this country was based upon not only allows it but encourages it. Don't let a pesky little thing like the constitution get in your way though.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13803864 - 01/17/11 06:24 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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deCypher said:
So you think the criteria for owning a dangerous device should involve practical use apart from just killing?





wow, so suddenly this has turned to 'everyone that has these things must be killers'




Where did I say that?  I'm just trying to determine reasonable criteria for allowing a citizen to own a weapon.  If a device's sole purpose is to kill someone (APART from self-defense) then should we be allowed to own it?





who determine's the 'sole purpose' of a device, I can use a gun for
killing people or for target practice, that seems like a dual purpose
device, dynamites 'sole purpose' is blasting rock but it could be used
to kill

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13804267 - 01/17/11 07:39 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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If a device's sole purpose is to kill someone (APART from self-defense) then should we be allowed to own it?




Even if that were true (and it's clearly not, as pointed out by others in this thread) the answer would still be "yes".  Why should the government have a monopoly on the ability to kill?

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #13804307 - 01/17/11 07:45 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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deCypher said:
If a device's sole purpose is to kill someone (APART from self-defense) then should we be allowed to own it?




Even if that were true (and it's clearly not, as pointed out by others in this thread) the answer would still be "yes".  Why should the government have a monopoly on the ability to kill?




So you'd be fine with letting your neighbors own biological weapons, bunker busters and/or nukes?


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13806194 - 01/18/11 03:56 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Where do you draw the line?  Should every person of legal age be allowed to own an assault rifle?  What about a flamethrower?  A stick of dynamite?  A nuclear weapon?  At what point should we no longer be allowed to have a weapon?




You don't draw the line. Because average, sane people don't actively seek out nuclear or biological weapons. Nor do they have the funds to do so even if they wanted to.

Who does? Over inflated governments and international terrorists supported by said over inflated governments.

In a perfect world, no weapons would exist. But we don't live a perfect world, do we? We have leaders who incessantly prepare for war and, with each decade, our weaponry advances because of it.

You should give people the benefit of the doubt regardless of how many crazy people there are in the world. The alternative is Fascism.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13806349 - 01/18/11 06:27 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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ChuangTzu said:
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deCypher said:
If a device's sole purpose is to kill someone (APART from self-defense) then should we be allowed to own it?




Even if that were true (and it's clearly not, as pointed out by others in this thread) the answer would still be "yes".  Why should the government have a monopoly on the ability to kill?




So you'd be fine with letting your neighbors own biological weapons, bunker busters and/or nukes?




Fuck no, I wouldn't live next to a nuclear or biological weapon storage facility no matter who ran it.

And "bunker busters", sure, why not?  Does my neighbor also have a bomber from which to deliver it?  I think all of these things are so far outside the realm of possibility as to be not worth considering.  Crappy bioweapons are maybe not too expensive or difficult to own, but I've been worried in the past about over-reaching bans on such materials infringing on one's right to conduct legitimate scientific research.  But like I implied above, if your activities are the source of a substantially increased risk to your neighbors just from accidents alone, they have a right to know about this, and if the affected community is against your actions, there are local zoning ordnances etc. to effectively prohibit such things.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #13806427 - 01/18/11 07:40 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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at the point you prove yourself to be a danger to the public, that's where we draw the line





Cool, where can I get my nuke?


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Icelander]
    #13806429 - 01/18/11 07:43 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Just by pursing the purchase of a Nuclear warhead you prove you're a danger to society haha

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Icelander]
    #13806431 - 01/18/11 07:43 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know what you're getting at OP, but good luck trying to get me to give up my nuke.
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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: dmob12] * 1
    #13807045 - 01/18/11 10:39 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Anything that is not restricted by the laws of physics should be legal.

Now THOSE are some laws.  Not these shitty wannabe legal constructs.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: SirNoseDvoidoFungi]
    #13807128 - 01/18/11 10:56 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Actually I think the laws of physics seem to be only suggestions.  Thank Heisenberg for that.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13807147 - 01/18/11 11:02 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Dynamite has a great deal of non-violent purposes.

The fact that Loughner had an extended magazine doesn't really scare me. Any dipshit could weld two clips together
and add in a custom spring if they weren't available. No law would be able to prevent that short of banning guns altogether.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13807199 - 01/18/11 11:14 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Or he could have brought two guns.:flowstone:


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13807218 - 01/18/11 11:17 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: dmob12]
    #13808365 - 01/18/11 02:38 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know what you're getting at OP, but good luck trying to get me to give up my nuke.
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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13810929 - 01/18/11 09:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Dynamite has a great deal of non-violent purposes.

The fact that Loughner had an extended magazine doesn't really scare me. Any dipshit could weld two clips together
and add in a custom spring if they weren't available. No law would be able to prevent that short of banning guns altogether.




And banning guns altogether would only stop law abiding, sane people from purchasing weapons while criminals, who make a living from disobeying laws, still manage to get their hands on them.

So entertaining the idea of gun bans is foolish, if that's what the OP is getting at.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Shr00m0fD00m]
    #13810937 - 01/18/11 09:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I am in no way advocating the banning of guns.  :lol:  Since we do ban people from owning nukes, though, my question is where should we draw the line?


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13810946 - 01/18/11 09:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Ahh, my bad. I assumed you were equating an assault rifle to a nuclear weapon lol

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Shr00m0fD00m]
    #13812180 - 01/19/11 01:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The day someone decides to go crazy only makes sense the law abiding  sane citizens have a fighting chance.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13813389 - 01/19/11 10:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Heres the lines:

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      State Permit to Purchase?                                          No           No
      Firearm registration?                                                 No            No
      "Assault weapon" law?                                               No           No
      Owner license required?                                             No            No
      Carry permits issued?                                               No             Yes
      NFA weapons restricted?                                           No             No
      Peaceable Journey laws?                                           Yes           Yes
      Castle Doctrine?                                                       Yes           Yes

For ATF Class 3 Fire Arms (short-barreled shotguns, short-barreled rifles, silencers, automatic weapons)
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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #13825867 - 01/21/11 12:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Owning guns keeps a free society free. Do you think some evil dictator has any chance of enslaving the American people? We are a 100 million strong armed militia. In the world we live in, I feel safer having guns in the hands of regular people. What is truly scary is that governments have all the nukes!


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: tye7]
    #13831560 - 01/22/11 01:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The Chinese could just walk over America with breadsticks and they'd still win. Praise Allah for nuclear weapons.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Grapefruit]
    #13831577 - 01/22/11 01:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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The Chinese could just walk over America with breadsticks and they'd still win. Praise Allah for nuclear weapons.




No fucking way.  Neither China nor America could walk over each other other.  A land invasion of either continent right now would be insane.  As for nuclear weapons, annihilating each other from afar sure as hell isn't anybody winning.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: DieCommie]
    #13832129 - 01/22/11 03:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Oh I was just pissing about.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: DieCommie]
    #13835157 - 01/23/11 12:58 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Neither China nor America could walk over each other other.  A land invasion of either continent right now would be insane.





china has a large army in addition to their nuclear arsenal but gun ownership
by civilians has been outlawed, in the US we have private gun ownership
effectively making a militia force of around 250,000,000 people

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #13835830 - 01/23/11 08:21 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I don't want to rain on your parade but 90%, at least, of that 250M people are completely useless as an armed force.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13835942 - 01/23/11 09:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That's 25,000,000 people who know how to fire a gun.

More than the first American Revolution.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Shr00m0fD00m]
    #13835972 - 01/23/11 09:31 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That's certainly true.  How many of them have tanks?


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13835978 - 01/23/11 09:33 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sure a few of those people could fabricate one, given enough time and materials... :smirk:

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13835986 - 01/23/11 09:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

As long as its not a WMD I think every person of legal age who isnt a convicted murderer should have the right to own a gun.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: MisterMuscaria] * 1
    #13836023 - 01/23/11 09:46 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Convicted murderers should be allowed to purchase targets and and glue them to themselves to provide more of a challenge for us.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #13836846 - 01/23/11 01:30 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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As long as its not a WMD I think every person of legal age who isnt a convicted murderer should have the right to own a gun.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #13836904 - 01/23/11 01:41 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Neither China nor America could walk over each other other.  A land invasion of either continent right now would be insane.





china has a large army in addition to their nuclear arsenal but gun ownership
by civilians has been outlawed, in the US we have private gun ownership
effectively making a militia force of around 250,000,000 people




Are you sure that 70% of the men, women, and children in the US own a gun?

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #13837045 - 01/23/11 02:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

What if there was a device that could instantly kill anyone that you point it at, no matter what.  Should that be legal to possess?


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #13837084 - 01/23/11 02:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i would say there are guns that already fall in that category


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13854426 - 01/26/11 02:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think guns need to be controlled more strictly, but people should have much more access to them. What CA, NJ, IL, NY do to CCW owners is fucking bullshit. All they do is create that illegal market and people go to jail for simple firearms possession. This is absolutely ridiculous, but more classes for CCW or more background/mental health check, or lasered serial numbered bullets is completely okay with me. Guns are just like drugs, and the war is the same. We just tolerate them to an extent. For me not to be able to get a CCW because of some bullshit liberal who doesn't like guns is fucking bullshit, but for him to tell me I need to take 80 hours of class, my bullets are all laser engraved, and my magazine capacity is 10 rounds is not unreasonable.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: withoutawire]
    #13854527 - 01/26/11 02:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I disagree with a mental background check. (I mean if you have been clinically proven to be insane then you already can't own one.)

If you had to take a psych test it would be completely at the discretion of federal shrinks to determine your "sanity".

I hope you can see why that would be dangerous.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13854573 - 01/26/11 02:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I do not disagree with a mental background check.  You already pointed out that there is one.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13854581 - 01/26/11 02:53 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It's not strict enough. All it checks is a state data base. Go to a private mental hospital and you have already bi passed that loop hole.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: withoutawire]
    #13854614 - 01/26/11 02:59 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'll let you two duke it out.  I'm conflicted.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: withoutawire]
    #13854714 - 01/26/11 03:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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It's not strict enough. All it checks is a state data base. Go to a private mental hospital and you have already bi passed that loop hole.



I understand that, but what constitutes mental illness in a uniform federal system?

If you have ever been diagnosed with depression or dysthymic disorder should you be barred from owning a firearm because of suicide risk? What matters is who is making the guidelines, and how easily can they be changed to serve whoever is making them.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13854750 - 01/26/11 03:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/311261.php

These people are not interested in science.  They are interested in money.  And they're in charge.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13854772 - 01/26/11 03:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah it's pretty well known fact that shrinks are in league with big pharma.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13854803 - 01/26/11 03:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The shrinks who write that book are in league with big government liberals who force insurance companies to cover that shit.  In fact, they are big government liberals.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13854815 - 01/26/11 03:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:shrug: Just a single facet in the shitstorm that is our eroding way of government.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13854827 - 01/26/11 03:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Unfortunately "eroding" is not something I would use to characterize our government.  "Expanding" is more accurate.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13854849 - 01/26/11 03:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I said eroding way of government, but yes, I agree

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13854971 - 01/26/11 03:59 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I only really have one thing to add to this discussion.  I apologize if it is unenlightening:

Big fat donkey dongs.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #13855120 - 01/26/11 04:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: ChuangTzu] * 1
    #13855159 - 01/26/11 04:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I only really have one thing to add to this discussion.  I apologize if it is unenlightening:

Big fat donkey dongs.

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Posting recipes for the Chinese food you prefer belongs in Culinary Arts or, more aptly in this case, Federation of Advanced Gourmet Shroomerites.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #13863979 - 01/28/11 12:54 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Incompetance and/or a history of criminal violence would be fantastic reasons to not allow a person to own or operate a weapon.  Perhaps removing the right to have a weapon should be considered in sentencing(which it is, often).

I understand there are MANY circumstances that complicate this matter.  Say, you were once affiliated with criminals and have an assault charge, but then you testify against some REALLY bad dudes; Should you not be able to protect yourself after doing society such a huge favor?

Most people ARE responsible enough to use weapons properly and ensure they are kept safe and secure.  NOT convicted murderers, NOT severe autistics, etc..  Certainly, I am of the opinion that it is a RIGHT by nature and not a PRIVILEGE issued by the state.  That is to say the state needs a reason to take that right away; Not, the state needs a reason to GRANT you the privilege. 

Training and strict security makes a HUGE difference, IMO. Simple stuff really; At home, Lock it with key AND combination. In transit, don't just leave it loaded in the back seat for the kids to play with. It is VERY VERY rare to hear of a police officer or other armed official allowing there weapons to be snuck away by, kids leading to an accident.  Why??  Because they are very well trained and responsible.

Now, Canada's gun registry is a fucking joke, a mess and a horrible waste of time and money.  I would not be against a streamlined licensing program for Civilians to operate handguns, as well guidelines for safe travel and storage...  lets face it, accidents WILL happen and it is no excuse to take away the common right to protect yourself...  Reasonable effort to lesson these occurrences, however, should be embraced by responsible citizens. 

On type of weapon; My feeling is, if you are protecting your property and safety of your family "reasonable means" doesn't include Nukes, or the ilk of weapons banned by peaceful nations.  You do not need to napalm a guy thieving your tv set.  A small hole in the head will suffice. 

Someone may desire a nuke or flamethrower as part of a collection(see Hunter s. Thompson)  I cannot think why else one would want these things around.  So, within that; I mean...  Sure, a nuke in some dudes basement bunker with his kinky sex stuff and Hitler posters does not pose a threat in and of itself.  An accident in this case would devastate an entire town, not just maim or kill one kid.  Certainly cannot ignore that.  Another reasonable arguement 'against' is, it could be stolen and used by Bin laden or Decypher on a N2O binge.  Which is certainly something to consider.  I DO NOT want a nuke in the basement of anyone anywhere near me, anyways.  It infringes my right to not be accidentally blown to fuck with no good reason.
 
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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Dickhead]
    #13864025 - 01/28/11 01:06 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Someone may desire a nuke or flamethrower as part of a collection(see Hunter s. Thompson)  I cannot think why else one would want these things around.  So, within that; I mean...  Sure, a nuke in some dudes basement bunker with his kinky sex stuff and Hitler posters does not pose a threat in and of itself.  An accident in this case would devastate an entire town, not just maim or kill one kid.  Certainly cannot ignore that.  Another reasonable arguement 'against' is, it could be stolen and used by Bin laden or Decypher on a N2O binge.  Which is certainly something to consider.  I DO NOT want a nuke in the basement of anyone anywhere near me, anyways.  It infringes my right to not be accidentally blown to fuck with no good reason.
 
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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13864037 - 01/28/11 01:08 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

is it true that you're buying teh shroomery or something?

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13864045 - 01/28/11 01:09 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Uhhmmm, not as far as I know.  :crazy:


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13864053 - 01/28/11 01:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

LOL, no idea who that is.  GTFO tried to sell me his account at one point after it got banned but I declined.  :lol:


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13864059 - 01/28/11 01:12 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

that would have been a frivolous purchase :dizope:

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Flop Johnson]
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:yarly:


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #13864111 - 01/28/11 01:23 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Guys; Guns.  K?  Thanks.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Dickhead]
    #13864123 - 01/28/11 01:25 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'd like to own a .50 cal sniper rifle.



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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13864125 - 01/28/11 01:25 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

50 cals are ghey and super expensive to shoot

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13864129 - 01/28/11 01:26 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Sure it's impractical as fuck, but they're still pretty badass IMO.


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher]
    #13864135 - 01/28/11 01:27 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

meh.

if you want some dick-compensation gun look at the Anzio 20mm.

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13864172 - 01/28/11 01:35 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Damn.  Are those legal to buy?


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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #13864188 - 01/28/11 01:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

they are where i live :cool2:

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13865731 - 01/28/11 12:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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That's certainly true.  How many of them have tanks?





all of them in the military that can operate a tank

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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: Prisoner#1]
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That's certainly true.  How many of them have tanks?





all of them in the military that can operate a tank



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Re: If you believe that every person of legal age has the right to own a gun [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13875341 - 01/30/11 06:48 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Posting recipes for the Chinese food you prefer belongs in Culinary Arts or, more aptly in this case, Federation of Advanced Gourmet Shroomerites.




Unfortunately in China there are no donkey dongs, only water buffalo pen0rs. :frown:

In any case, I don't think even my best recipe is worthy of posting amongst the F.A.G.S.

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