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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: Ginseng1]
#13763272 - 01/10/11 12:48 PM (13 years, 21 days ago) |
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Ginseng1 said re The Chronic:
I feel just like OP does, and have been wrestling with similar thoughts and concepts, but this reply was most satisfactory! 
I second that and am glad to know i am not the only one who feels this way sometimes, many thanks xxx
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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: circastes]
#13763402 - 01/10/11 01:10 PM (13 years, 21 days ago) |
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circastes said: I would say we overrate the term 'enlightenment' and anyone who lives in a natural ecstasy, and experiences peace, is enlightened.
There would be no need for the term enlightenment if it wasn't for the state of our society. We're effectively brainwashed/conditioned out of happiness. I don't know if it's a mistake or not...
I like what you have said here. I think that sometimes it is a mistake and sometimes it isnt. The process of language is underpinned by the need to distinguish between subject and object, thought and form, we can hardly have a conversation or communicate understandings without it. That is where it is important to understand that words are just symbols of what they describe.
I consider spiritual faith to be the greatest enemy of elitist manipulation....but still, keep your friends close...
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circastes said: The Self, really, truly, is realised right now, just get on with things. You're waiting for the Self, but what you're really waiting for is for you to get on with things. I like the idea that the experience and the experiencer are one... makes it all a bit clearer when you're thinking.
I might be jumping ahead a bit but I think it's all about refining your thought pattern into simpler and simpler concepts and 'reminders' and pointers to the Self until such time as all that shines is the Self on its own, and the thoughts, at least the 'dreamy' reflective or knowledge-seeking thoughts, disappear. Not all thought disappears, I mean, you reading this takes thought, breathing is a kind of thought, so is any kind of movement. 'Stopping all thought' is a bit mad, but you can refine what you think about, and you can focus. Keep doing that until everything emanates from Now.
Everyone who is realised either realises a) it can never be communicated or b) there are infinite ways to communicate it and none of them are the right one. hehe
Aye, cheers for your thoughts mate xxx
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Re: Are you enlightened? [Re: jivJaN] 1
#13764589 - 01/10/11 05:11 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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jivJaN said: forgive me. after all this has been said i still have NOTHING for you. perhaps a pretty flower ?

-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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