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shirley knott
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books that changed your life
#1376211 - 03/14/03 12:31 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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what books have you rread that changed the way you saw the world?
here's some i love:
luke rheingold - the dice man j r r tolkien - the lord of the rings lonely planet - guide to southeast asia (my first backpacking bible, 12 years ago!) richard bandler - using your brain for a change (NLP) john steinbeck - the grapes of wrath
got some to recommend?
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#1376288 - 03/14/03 01:04 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kim by Rudyard Kipling Musrhooms, Russia and History by R. Gordon and TIna Wasson. Harvard Botanical Museum Leaflets, atrticles by Schultes, and andrew Weil, Marrigae of the Sun and the Moon, by Andrew Weil. Sir WIlfred of Ivanhoe by Sir Walter Scott. Poems by Robert Service, Kipling and Henry Fieldings Tom Jones.
The Declaration of Independence by many.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#1378126 - 03/15/03 10:17 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Terence Mckenna - Food Of The Gods
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#1378460 - 03/15/03 12:59 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bury my heart at wounded Knee- Dee Brown
Lame Deer: Seeker of Visions- John Fire Lame Deer and Richard Erdoes
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#1378511 - 03/15/03 01:25 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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that book about sneeches taught me a lot way back in like 1st grade
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#1388066 - 03/18/03 11:04 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here is a short list;
Food of the Gods- Terence McKenna (right on Effed!) Storming Heaven- Jay Stevens Lord of the Flies- William Golding The Abolition of Man- C.S. Lewis Danse Macabre- Stephen King Anthem- Ayn Rand Watership Down- Richard Adams Angry Candy- Harlan Ellison The Weir and other Plays- Conor McPherson Four Quartets- T.S. Eliot The People, Yes- Carl Sandburg The Clam-Plate Orgy- Wilson Bryan Key
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#1388583 - 03/18/03 02:26 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Horton Hears a Who - by Dr Seuss The World Book Encyclopedia - by Various Authors Why I Am Not a Christian - by Bertrand Russell On Liberty - by John Stuart Mill The Seven Mysteries of Life - by Guy Murchie For The New Intellectual - by Ayn Rand The Prodigy (The Story of William James Sidis, who had an I.Q.estimated at 250-300) - by Amy Wallace Forgotten Founders - by Bruce E. Johansen On the Duty of Civil Disobedience - by Henry David Thoreau Tao Te Ching - by Lao Tsu (translation by Gia-Fu Feng and Jane English) Economics in One Lesson - by Henry Hazlitt The Goal - by Eliyahu M. Goldratt and Jeff Cox Cosmic Trigger (Final Secret of the Illuminati) - by Robert Anton Wilson
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shirley knott
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: Evolving]
#1393502 - 03/19/03 10:55 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Tao Te Ching - by Lao Tsu (translation by Gia-Fu Feng and Jane English)
I have this too - the one with all the beautiful photographs? It is truly a work of genius, good call.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#1394860 - 03/20/03 08:16 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot. This was the first book I read that pertained to psychedelia, and at the time I was a staunch enemy of drugs and drug culture.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: chunder]
#1395466 - 03/20/03 12:43 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Holographic Universe changed the way i percieve reality. also, BE HERE NOW by Ram Dass The Middle Pillar by Israel Regardie True Hallucinations by Terence Mckenna The Cosmic Serpent - DNA and the origin of knowledge by Jeremy Narby Tetragrammaton by Donald Tyson "...the Secret is reading the right books" ~ Carl Sagan
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#1460819 - 04/15/03 03:13 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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the little prince
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#1460996 - 04/15/03 04:09 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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A Prayer for Owen Meany by John Irving
The Way of Zen by Alan Watts
Entry into the Inconceivable by Thomas Cleary
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: infidelGOD]
#1462825 - 04/16/03 01:36 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Be Here Now...yep yep yep 
VALIS Philip k Dick...shit everything by dick has touched me deeply
Psilocybin: A magic mushroom growers guide
While not books they still deserve a mention as they have been a great aid and a big influence:
The Shroomery Erowid.org Deoxy.org and links...links...links and more links
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The Tibetan Book of Living and Dieing......a tibetan name that i havent memorized :/ Faerie's...Brian froud Alice in Wonder Land..Carroll Lewis Cat in the hat...Dr.Seuss
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: funkymonk]
#1464860 - 04/16/03 06:21 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Archivist by Gill Alderman. None of that new age earth mind "stuff"
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-the zhuangzi -breakfast of champions: kurt vonnegut -fight club: chuck pahlaniuk -the trial: franz kafka -a wild sheep chase: huraki murakami -ham on rye: charles bukowski -stanley kubrick interviews -1984: george orwell
none of these books "changed my life", but they were nice additions to my mental atmosphere. I think, if anyone is interested in daoism, they should skip Laotzi, and read the zhuangzi, it is, in opinion, the superior daoist text...."superior" meaning, that if I had to make a choice between being able to read one of them, i would choose the zhuangzi. and another thing....fuck Ayn Rand, she was a total fascist. She was involved with the HUAC, (house of unamerican acitvities) in the 1950s, which persecuted anyone left of the extreme right. anyways........
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Dianetics by L Ron hubbard
j/k
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
#1478668 - 04/21/03 10:15 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also, Oh the Places You'll Go By Dr. Seuss
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: Blastrid]
#1479218 - 04/21/03 02:20 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah....fuck new age....
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Indoor Marijuana Horticulture : The Indoor Bible - Jorge Cervantes The Catcher In The Rye - J.D. Salinger
Edited by Twista (04/25/03 10:55 AM)
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: Twista]
#1492844 - 04/25/03 11:12 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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And STILL not on the list, the best selling book EVER...The Bible!
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The bible is the greatest story ever told.
The best book is Candy by Tery Southern.
It was one of the most controversial books of the sixties.
Check on this classic.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: mjshroomer]
#1494770 - 04/26/03 12:05 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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A Brief History of Everything: By the Smartest Man on the Planet, Ken Wilbur
The Book on the taboo against knowing who you are: Alan Watts
The Tao Te Ching
Probably the biggest one on the list, The Lesons of Don Juan: by Carlos Castaneda (I also include all the subsequent Castaneda books, but did not feel like listing all of them.)
Introduction to Metaphysics: Martin Hiedigger(i know, i probably spelled it wrong, i cant spell to save my life) This book got me into philosophy.
The Bible: Cant exlude this, You can read this through and through and come up with all kinds of meanings, depending on how you are thinking at the time, i prefer to go through it and look for all the times they are possibly refering to the use of psychedelics. it's a lot, a whole lot.
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Carlos Castaneda was a big liar.
There never was a Don Juan. HE made it all up and that ruined the magic of the books.
The book is the Teachings of Don Juan:: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge.
I have posted the Richard De Mille works here over and over . They are inthe archives here somewhere at the shroomery.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#1495556 - 04/26/03 10:13 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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i figgers the one book that messed my mind the most was a paperback copy ("hot off the presses")(given to me by my dad when i was like 11 years old & had read pretty much all the available heinlein juvenile novels, and the "lucky starr" series by asimov & most of the andre norton stuff at my local ibrary) of: _stranger in a strange land_ (mine da also gimme his pb copy of henry miller's _tropic of cancer_ just because it was a banned book in some places, but i never managed to finish wading thru that turgid prose ... but heinlein's _stranger_ i have returned to quite a few times over the next 4 decades of my life...) ~ ~
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: gnrm23]
#1495893 - 04/26/03 12:50 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yep. Stranger in a Strange Land was a classic, for sure.
Apparently it is now available in its original un-edited form. Heinlein's publisher had originally asked him to trim it down some before it was first published -- in those days there was concern that an overly-long Sci-Fi book was unsellable.
Next time I am on vacation in the real world I intend to get a copy.
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i will say one book as reading it led me to everything else i've ever read or done: Tao Teh Ching by Lao Tzu. Zhuangzi's short stories are great as well.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#1497176 - 04/27/03 12:37 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Karl Marx--The Communist Manifesto Heidegger--On Being and Time
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i took a philosophy class and learned quite a bit about thinking about thinking. Nietzche, Sartre, Descartes, and all those other many people throughout the years, had some interesting things to say and i kinda like the way it makes your mind bend to grasp some of their ideas. yeah, i bet that makes good sense. fuck. anyway, as far as books that made a lifelong inpression, I'd say The Hobbit, which I read in fourth or fifth grade. brings on good thoughts. i read the Doors of Perception in high school around the time I started taking acid, and it made things kinda click. If you can dig that. Cool-e-o
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: SoundsOfWar]
#1501330 - 04/28/03 04:19 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh, and if you want to fuck your head up sometime try reading a book called House of Leaves. Sorry, I forget who wrote it right now. Crazy stuff, though.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: SoundsOfWar]
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if you really wanna fuck your head up, try reading the bible backwards. there are lots of hidden messages that say jesus did mushrooms.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: TrippeeChik]
#1911067 - 09/12/03 09:15 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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the holy bible
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Profoundly life-changing: Ishmael by Daniel Quinn A Language Older than Words by Derrick Jensen Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl
Life-changing in a more subtle way: Norwegian Wood by Haruki Murakami Survivor by Chuck Palanhniuk Life After God by Douglas Coupland
UH
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: unlikelyhero]
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Quote:
Indoor Marijuana Horticulture : The Indoor Bible - Jorge Cervantes
Ahh.. I had that book once. Truly amazing... some fucker stole it off of me.
Handbook to Higher Consciousness, by Ken Keyes Jr.
Definitely worth a read.  Peace.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: fireworks_god]
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Tao te Ching - Lao Tzu Siddhartha - Hermann Hesse Island - Aldous Huxley On the Road, Dharma Bums - Jack Kerouac
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: Pala]
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"Illusions" by Richard Bach. I wouldn't say it "changed my life" but it definitely gave me some philosophical insight. It's one of those books that's telling a completely different story than the one you're actually reading.. the story you're reading is just a vehicle to get you to the actual concept the book is trying to convey...
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1.- Mein Kampf-Adolf Hitler. This book taught me how bad a human can be. 2.- Cocina espa?ola (spanish cuisine)- Many authors. This one taught me how to eat and drink right. 3.- The Tao of health, sex and longevity-Daniel Reid. No comments. 4.- Mushrooms and Truffles growing-M. Garc?a Rollan. 5.- Marijuana Grower?s Guide-Mel Frank & Ed Rosenthal. 6.- The complete Book of Self-Sufficiency-John Seymour.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: Semilanceata]
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Bible Mysteries & intigues of the bible, J.A Michaels Silent Spring, Rachel Carson Green Rage, Christopher Manes The Electric Kool-Aid Test, Tom Wolfe The Further Inquiry, Ken Kesey
oh and of course, The Mushroom Cultivator, Stamets & Chilton

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Re: books that changed your life [Re: kindkesey]
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tao teh ching be here now Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life 777 Jurrasic Park (Chaos Theory rulez) The Universe in a Nutshell/Brief History of Time the Bible Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy the "Myth" series by Robert Aspirin The Dark Tower A Light in the Attic Fear and loathing in Las Vegas
thats all I can think of now
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: kindkesey]
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Bible The Electric Koolaid Acid Test Acid Dreams Cactch 22 Clockwork Orange too name a few.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#1938068 - 09/21/03 02:08 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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the ancient secret of the flower of life vols 1 and 2 by drunvalo melchizedek the holographic universe by michael talbot cosmic trigger by RAW everything you know is wrong and you are being lied to both by russ kick dmt the spirit molecule by rick strassman the 72 names of god by yehuda berg anatomy of the psyche: alchemical symbolism in psychotherapy by edward f. edinger intermediate studies in alchemy by saint germain post office by bukowski and finally, even though it didnt change my life, its still one of my all time favorites... cosmic banditos by a.c. weisbecker
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: starseed]
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as a child brave new world and 1984 were my introduction to "grown up books".
the black cauldron series/ he kestrel by loydd alexander.
the foundation saga by asimov.
stranger in a strange land by heinlien.
the sirens of titan by vonnegut (and most everything he did).
hot water music by bokowski.
do it by jerry rubin.
soul on ice by eldridge cleaver.
the autobiography of malcolm X.
manchild in the promised land by claude brown.
fahrenheit 451 by bradbury.
the republic by plato.
nicomachean ethics by aristotle.
beyond good and evil by nietzsche.
the closing of the american mind by alan bloom
fast food nation by eric slossenger.
lies my teacher told me.
the year or so I read adbusters.
that peter singer paper about animals.
epistemology by audi
informal logic by some modern philosopher I can't remember who...
the prince by machiavelli
wealth of nations by adam smith
on liberty by john stewart mill
etc, I'm a philosophy major so you get the idea... the "philosophy of the simpsons was a good one....
oh, I liked ishamel too.
island by huxley.
demian/siddhartha/that one I can't remember the name of... not the bead game, not the journy to the east... wasn't there another hesse book that was really good? I can't recall...
the electric kool-aid acid test, of course, and one flew over the cuckoo's nest, and one the road, and that burroughs book.. "interzone", right? that was a trip...
and I think I'd have to even credit 'ol terence mckenna, and castenadia and leary, as while of course I differ in opinion quite a bit from them all, they all helped get me to where I am.
these are the ones I can think of as really effecting my development.. that stand out. the bible, of course, kinda, and the lord of the rings saga was good too, but they really didn't change my life.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: Malachi]
#1939049 - 09/21/03 09:47 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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kama sutra made my life or i should say my better half's life a little bit better
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The Electric KoolAid Acid Test-Tom Wolfe Forrest Gump-Winston Groom Anything and everything written by JRR Tolkien On the Road-Jack Kerouak Roots-Alex Haley
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"The Alphabet Versus the Goddess: The Conflict Between Word and Image" by Leonard Shlain
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: Adamist]
#1941839 - 09/22/03 05:47 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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every book, every sound, picture, person and stimulus percieved or otherwise effects your life..i think
here are some books i still remember and love: where the wild things are the hobbit and lord of the rings -tolkein all of the dr suess books the holographic universe -micheal talbot siddhartha -herman hesse dmt: the spirit molecule
some other ones i liked: prometheus rising food of the gods the unexpurgated code 1984 lord of the flies the hithikers guide to the galaxy tao te ching
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Alice in Wonder Land, by Carroll Lewis is amazing for me, I love the overall message of perspective. The Art of War by Sun Tzu is amazing, a handbook, not just for war, but for all the plans you will ever make in your life. Memorize it. Anything Nietzsche wrote, just for the evilness factor, its the same feeling i get when I destroy something beutiful!! MUahahahahaha! And hegel is awesome too... Edit: Assata, by assata shakur is a very inspiring book...
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: domite]
#1942993 - 09/22/03 11:32 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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On the Road by Kerouac
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: Xochitl]
#1945947 - 09/23/03 08:20 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Illusions - Richard Bach The Art of Happiness - His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Howard Cutler Love - Leo Buscalia
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#2291015 - 02/01/04 01:42 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Politics of Consciousness by Steve Kubby is a good book. did'nt change my life though.
and Choke by Chuck Palanhniuk sorta put my capacity for evil into my head, helped me see it, and deal with it, live with it instead of ignore it and pretend it's not there. so in that aspect, it changed me a bit.
The Tao of Physics pushed my leanings twords eastern mysticism further and got me interested in Physics.
The Laughing Sutra by Dan Salzman reminded me that I can read for fun and entertainment soemtimes without always trying to learn something, that helps alot,
and Sex, Ecology, and Spirituality by Ken Wilber totally blew my fucking mind, put into words so many of my thoughts. then I ate some mushrooms (about 3.5-4 grams) and decided to never again read Wilber, and to start puting the thoughts into words my self. Possibly the most life changing one so far, but it worked in conjunction with the fungus.
the philosophy of Thomas Aquainas is very interesting to me as well.
-------------------- Ken Wilbur "this is life changing" welcomehome
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#2291393 - 02/01/04 08:51 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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aldous huxley - brave new world
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: greenhaze]
#2296302 - 02/03/04 02:40 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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the laughing sutra is mark salzman, not dan. made a mistake.
brave new world is great. so is moshka.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#2296565 - 02/03/04 06:40 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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interesting how many of the same titles keep popping up on people's lists...
R.A.W. - Cosmic Trigger volumes I and II (haven't found the third one yet)
R.A.W. and Robert Shea - Illuminatus Trilogy
Brian Greene - The Elegant Universe (intro to string theory)
Drunvalo - Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life (volume ii)
E.T. 101
Jack Kerouac - The Dharma Bums
H.S.T. - Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas
Hermann Hesse - Siddhartha
Brigadier General Smedley D. Butler - War Is Just a Racket
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#2296753 - 02/03/04 08:25 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Robert A. Hienlien - Tunnel in the Sky, Beyond This Horizon, The Green Hills of Earth, Stranger in a Strange Land (edited or unedited), To Sail Beyond the Sunset (last published work)
The Collected Writings of Abby Hoffman (Woodstock Nation and his later essays and lectures have been most influential)
Richard Farina - Been Down So Long It Seems Like Up To Me (I read this and Cosmic Banditos around the same time and it would have taken longer to apreciate one without the other, my opinion)
( ? ) Steakly (sp?) - Armor
Spider Robinson - The Stardancer Trillogy, Calahan's Bar (storys and novels), Lifehouse (if only for the Beatles anecdote)
Theodore Sturgeon - More Than Human
Hemingway (sp?) - The Old Man and The Sea
Honorable mentions:
J. R. R. Tolkien - The Silmarilion
Jack Herer - The Emperor Wears No Clothes
( ? ) - Like Water For Chocolate
( ? ) - Programing for Dummies
Laura K. Hamilton - all works (creativly influential)
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: seeker]
#2297984 - 02/03/04 03:55 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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God Speaks - Meher Baba
^ it about the evolution of consiousness...try getting your head around this book and you sir are very well on your way to enlightenment.
alos
the everything and the nothing - meher baba the only dance there is - ram dass still havent read be here now but am on my way. tibetan book of the dead
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: Vulture]
#2298278 - 02/03/04 05:05 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Illuminatus! + Shro?dinger's Cat Trilogies
High Priest + Politics of Ecstasy
Chronicles of Narnia + Tolkien's works
Lots more, but those are the ones I attribute the most change to.
Have fun
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#2299446 - 02/04/04 01:32 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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jeez there are so many amazing books that ive read...the only one i can think of currently that had a large impact on me were (in no particular order):
- Aldous Huxley - A Brave New World
- Brian Jacques - Redwall Series (got me into fantasy)
- Richard Bach - Illusions
- My first Neuroscience text (Physiological Psychology, 6th edition i think...)
- Dr. Rick Strassman - DMT: The Spirit Molecule
- Aldous Huxley - The Doors of Perception / Heaven and Hell
- Carlos Castaneda - The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui way of knowledge
- Everything i read in my Eastern Religions Class (Indian, chinese, japanese religious texts)
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#2299885 - 02/04/04 08:13 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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robert a heinlein's _stranger in a strange land_
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott] 2
#2300255 - 02/04/04 10:49 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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In no order:
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry into Values - Robert Pirsig
The Dune Series - Frank Herbert
Siddartha - Hermann Hesse
Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu
Tao of Jeet Kune Do - Bruce Lee
1984 - George Orwell
Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs - Judi Barret
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: gnrm23]
#2304907 - 02/05/04 12:41 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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the Bible
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: peleg]
#2304919 - 02/05/04 12:45 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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you do realize that the bible is just one book of many, right?
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: DoctorJ]
#2307077 - 02/05/04 10:09 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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everything david sedaris has ever written
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: shirley knott]
#2307121 - 02/05/04 10:17 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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"the way of the peacefull warrior" by Dan Millman.
the only reason im still alive right now. absolutely inspring and beautifull. i recommend that everyone pick up this book, its not a very hard or complex read, but it changed my life.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: angryjslice]
#2329795 - 02/13/04 08:26 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Catcher in the rye Salinger
The Stranger Camus
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: ]
#2334082 - 02/14/04 11:42 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dune..... "fear is the mindkiller"; "I will bend like a reed in the wind" Atlas Shrugged- Ayn Rand Brutal philosophy-There really are winners and losers. "We are all created equal" is a legal dictum, not an actual fact Breakfast of Champions- Vonnegut "how do I know that you're not all robots put here to make me react" Showed me that there is no way we can have direct knowledge of anyone else's cognitions or if they even have them Time Enough for Love- Heinlein raised the perrenial question "why the fuck not" Naked Lunch- Burroughs judging others always ask "wouldn't you?" Foundation- Asimov the idea of psychohistory is a natural continuation of social engineering The bible- because it has given endless generations of nitwits justification for all sorts of hideous behaviour. "When we believe absurdities, we will commit atrocities"- Voltaire (I think)
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: zappaisgod]
#12810000 - 06/26/10 09:53 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hope someone has posted this one already,
A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn
That book made me completely rethink everything I've ever been taught in school.
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: LairMonster]
#12814296 - 06/27/10 08:20 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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"No one here gets out Alive" a Doors bio. "Travels With Charlie" Steinbeck. Maybe not so much changed my life, but they opened a door to a certain way of thinking about things.
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Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy Altman's Tongue by Brian Evenson Ham on Rye by Charles Bukowski Some Of The Dead Are Still Breathing by Charles Bowden
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Curious to hear what you think of Blood Meridian, once you've finished it.
I love the writing and think the imagery is absolutely sublime, but it gets mixed reviews amongst the literary set.
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Quote:
Madtowntripper said: Curious to hear what you think of Blood Meridian, once you've finished it.
I love the writing and think the imagery is absolutely sublime, but it gets mixed reviews amongst the literary set.
I've seen some mixed reviews on Meridian and Cormac also, the bulk of which are people complaining about Cormac being 'unnecessarily complicated....like Faulkner' [what???] or repetition [so?] or the lack of quotation marks in his dialogue. Personally, I wouldn't let bad grammar stand in the way of a great story.
Honestly maybe I shouldn't have included Blood Meridian on this list as I'm only three quarters through but as far as changing my life - I've never had to put a book down as many times to think until it's just like fuck! as many times as have done with Blood Meridian. Sorta beautiful and exhausting like the tail-end of a trip.
So far I find BM horrifically effective like Brian Evenson, maybe you've heard of him [the rogue Mormon and former professor at Brigham Young University, who's noir fiction created so much controversy around these parts that he was forced to resign and eventually even the church excommunicated him, I think they may have even deported his ass to Rhode Island as last I heard he was teaching at Brown.] Still, like the couple other McCarthy books I've had the privilege to know, though often bloody, upon reading I always feel like I'm walking away with rare treasure. Like, I found The Road grim and all but that's a love story through and through and so that's what I'm getting all the fathers I know for X-mas next year.
I've gone on a bit too long I'm afraid, sorry, it's just I REALLY love this author.
Have you read other Cormac? What else are you into? Death Match: Anton Chigur vs. Judge Holden???
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I would recommend CONVERSATIONS with God by NEALE DONALD WALSHE, changed my entire outlook, have read BOOK multiple times picking up more from it each time I READ it
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The Invisible Man, by Ralph Ellison.
Not that Invisible Man, it's one of the top three books ever about race.
-------------------- "The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body" John Lennon I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either. The worst thing about corruption is that it works so well,
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The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: wabbey]
#27165820 - 01/23/21 05:01 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: peleg]
#27165937 - 01/23/21 06:10 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
peleg said: the Bible
 
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: wabbey]
#27166501 - 01/24/21 01:51 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: ODhaze]
#27500327 - 10/11/21 02:51 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good book
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: 3hunna]
#27525486 - 10/31/21 03:58 PM (2 years, 28 days ago) |
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Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins - I started to focus and smell everything
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: 3hunna]
#27525500 - 10/31/21 04:10 PM (2 years, 28 days ago) |
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1984 - George Orwell
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: Foot]
#27540296 - 11/12/21 09:19 AM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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Desert Solitaire- Edward Abbey.
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Brian Jones
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Quote:
MatsutakeSnuff said: Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins - I started to focus and smell everything
I remember really getting into his "Another Roadside Attraction" in the 70's. I can't remember it except one guy called himself Marx Marvelous because that would offend the most conservatives.
-------------------- "The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body" John Lennon I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either. The worst thing about corruption is that it works so well,
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: Brian Jones]
#27544107 - 11/15/21 11:06 AM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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Zen flesh, Zen Bones - Paul Repps
Uncommon Therapy: The Psychiatric Techniques of Milton H. Erickson, M.D. Jay Haley (Author)
Many by Milton H. Erickson, himself
Organic Gardening, magazine Psychedelic Review, journal
Psychedelic Prayers , Tim Leary
I Have No Mouth & I Must Scream by Harlan Ellison
Grooming, Gossip, and the Evolution of Language by Robin Dunbar (Author)
Walden by Henry David Thoreau (Author)
influential authors H.G. Wells - short stories & science Fiction Huxley - Brave New World Jules Verne, science fiction Harlan Ellison, science fiction
Franz Kafka , In the Penal Colony
Marvin Harris, anthropology Robin Dunbar, anthropology
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: laughingdog]
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nice list ^^
Here's mine:
The Devil's Dictionary by Ambrose Bierce
Cities of the Red Night by William S. Burroughs
VALIS by Philip K. Dick
Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson
Collected Works of Edgar Allan Poe
The Game of Life or Info-Psychology by Timothy Leary
Hamlet by William Shakespeare
Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
Wholeness and the Implicate Order by David Bohm
Collected Works of Samuel Taylor Coleridge
Tales of Soldiers and Civilians by Ambrose Bierce
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson
For Whom the Bell Tolls by Ernest Hemingway
Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov
Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy
Dune by Frank Herbert
Breakfast of Champions by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke
The Confessions of Aleister Crowley: An Autohagiography by Aleister Crowley
The Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
The Transmigration of Timothy Archer by Philip K. Dick
Jailbird by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
The Right Stuff by Tom Wolfe
This Is It by Alan Watts
Cannibals and Kings by Marvin Harris
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The prince of tides!!!!!
I tell people how good it is and people compare it to the movie. The books is on my list of favorite books.
I am so excited to see someone else loves it!!!
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Re: books that changed your life [Re: loladoreen]
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Book of Five Rings - Miyamoto Musashi
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loladoreen
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Marianne Williamson " A womans worth"
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