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 Told
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 harmful effects of mush? 
#1374356 - 03/14/03 12:44 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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is there any harmful effects to the human body if you ingest mushrooms.? there has to be.?
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Told]
#1374386 - 03/14/03 01:11 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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possible flashbacks in some indeviduals.
It affects your seratonin somehow i believe but i'm not sure<--- Someone please verify this.
in any case it's not as bad a drug as people would have you think. Just do it sparingly and you will have the best time of your life.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: fjbk47985]
#1378148 - 03/15/03 10:32 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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i found some,
Psychological dependence
Cross-tolerance -- the need for increasing amounts to feel effects; covers various substances, not just those someone has used
Depression
Anxiety
Increased risk of developing schizophrenia or psychotic episodes
Miscarriages
Birth defects
Fatal liver damage if the wrong mushroom is ingested.
Flashbacks
those are pretty well it. nothing perminant. well not for guys anyways :P.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Told]
#1378379 - 03/15/03 12:27 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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i found some,
Psychological dependence
Cross-tolerance -- the need for increasing amounts to feel effects; covers various substances, not just those someone has used
Depression
Anxiety
Increased risk of developing schizophrenia or psychotic episodes
Miscarriages
Birth defects
Fatal liver damage if the wrong mushroom is ingested.
Flashbacks
those are pretty well it. nothing perminant. well not for guys anyways :P.
Psychedelics are probably the least addictive substances on earth. You can get a mental addiction to anything, it doesn't even have to be a drug.
Tolerance goes away pretty shortly, I believe within a week.
You cannot develope schizophrenia from shrooms. As people state on these boards all the time, mushrooms may cause schizophrenia to surface. But they certainly don't cause it.
Liver damage from the wrong mushrooms has nothing to do with the danger of psilocybin. Eating the wrong mushroom is caused by stupidity.
Mushrooms can be used with little or no negative effects if the user uses caution.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Cherk]
#1378958 - 03/15/03 05:56 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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how frequent would they have to be used to mess up your brain? if its posible to mess up your brain from mushies
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Pretty much every single study ever done has shown that psilocybin does not damage the brain,even in massive amounts.However,they is always the danger of psychological after effects-taking mushrooms all the time could fuck you up mentally.Also,people with any serious mental disorders (panic attacks,depression,schizophrenia) probably shouldn't use psychedelics.If an "normal" person takes psychedelics with good preperation and in strict moderation,there will probably be little if any long term negative effects.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Told]
#1379101 - 03/15/03 07:03 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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if you can understand this
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11962085&dopt=Abstract
Shrooms will hurt you physically and mentally. They'll enlighten you and the same time deplete your body's nutrition.
www.pubmed.org is the best place to find info on drugs that you want to find out the effects to your body.
Search for psilocybin and it'll give you a bunch of articles about their effects etc...
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Edited by Dilauded (03/15/03 07:05 PM)
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1379161 - 03/15/03 07:29 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shrooms will hurt you physically and mentally. They'll enlighten you and the same time deplete your body's nutrition.
WHAT THE FUCK??
Please back up this statement. Oh wait.. you can't because you made it up. Dumbfuck.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: zeta]
#1379349 - 03/15/03 08:34 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you think clear after tripping????(I'm not stressing the mental part a lot but the physical is something else)
Besides that, I lift weights and everytime I'd trip on shrooms I'd come to school the nxt day, goto my weight lifting class only to find that maxing out is very difficult and hurts with sharp twinges. (the body's nutrition is depleted)
ALSO, does not shrooms deplete the serotonin in your brain???? that's a mental and physical attribute.
You always try n say I'm wrong with something and every fucking time I've proved my case relevant. What's your fucking problem? Go fuck yourself, I'm sick of your crap. If there's any true DUMBFUCK it'd be you.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1379412 - 03/15/03 08:57 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you think clear after tripping????(I'm not stressing the mental part a lot but the physical is something else)
Yes, clearer than usual
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Besides that, I lift weights and everytime I'd trip on shrooms I'd come to school the nxt day, goto my weight lifting class only to find that maxing out is very difficult and hurts with sharp twinges.
I and many others experience enhanced physical performance after shrooms
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(the body's nutrition is depleted)
This doesn't even make sense.
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ALSO, does not shrooms deplete the serotonin in your brain???? that's a mental and physical attribute.
No. Where do you think you heard this one?
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You always try n say I'm wrong with something and every fucking time I've proved my case relevant. What's your fucking problem? Go fuck yourself, I'm sick of your crap. If there's any true DUMBFUCK it'd be you.
You think you proved your case? No.
Please stop spreading your bullshit.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1379424 - 03/15/03 09:00 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you think clear after tripping????(
Perfectly.
ALSO, does not shrooms deplete the serotonin in your brain????
Nope. It hasn't even been shown Ecstasy does this. There are people who have taken E well over 1000 times who have more Serotonin in their brains than people who have never taken it. Serotonin levels vary sharply for many reasons. And mushrooms don't even have the theoretical risk to serotonin levels that E does.
Besides that, I lift weights and everytime I'd trip on shrooms I'd come to school the nxt day, goto my weight lifting class only to find that maxing out is very difficult and hurts with sharp twinges.
I lift weights too. For around 2 weeks after every trip i can put 15-20lbs on all my lifts and run an extra 2-3 miles. Are you tripping at night and missing out on sleep? Are you taking other drugs? Are you laying in uncomfortable positions? Whatever is causing your problems it isn't psilocybin. Psilocybin comes around 400 places lower in the physical toxicity list than aspirin.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1379561 - 03/15/03 11:16 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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That link to the abstract you posted does not prove "shrooms will hurt you physicaly and mentally" It is a study on rat brain slices which indicates that psilocybin works on some of the same neurons as serotonin. It has nothing to with any long term effects or anything other than the mechanism of the actual trip.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Told]
#1379719 - 03/16/03 02:02 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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HEre are the eeffects of shrooms on the human consciousness and body and a report on flashbacks.
AS noted in seeral areas of this site, most of this information is available at my website, but most people do not read what is witten there. They onoly like tolook at the pretty pictures.
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PSYCHOACTIVE EFFECTS OF PSILOCYBIAN MUSHROOMS
Symptoms produced by eating fresh hallucinogenic mushrooms begin to occur within 15 to 30 minutes after ingestion (or from 5 to 10 minutes when prepared in the form of tea or soup). Symptoms persist for up to four to six hours after ingestion. In 1960, Clinical effects for psilocybine intoxication in humans was reported as being Hollister et al., 1962):
"0-30 minutes - Slight nausea, giddiness (light-headed), abdominal discomfort, weakness, muscle aches and twitches, shivering, anxiety, restlessness, and a numbness of lips.
30-60 minutes - Visual effects (blurring, brighter colors, sharper outlines, longer after-images, visual patterns with closed eyes). Increased hearing, yawning, sweating, facial flushing. Decreased concentration and attention, slow thinking, feelings of unreality, depersonalization, dreamy state. Inco-ordination, tremulous speech.
60-120 minutes - Increased visual effects (colored patterns and shapes, mostly with eyes closed). Wave-motion of viewed surfaces. Impaired distant perception. Euphoria, increased perception, and a slowed passage of time.
120-240 minutes - Waning and nearly complete resolution of above effects. Returning to normal within 4-12 hours. Other effects often include: Decreased salivation and appetite; uncontrollable laughter; transient sexual feelings and synesthesias (e.g., `seeing' sounds)."
For comparison with the clinical experience described above, the following is an excerpt from one of R. Gordon Wasson's experience with psilocybin mushrooms:
"The mushrooms take effect differently with different persons. For example, some seem to experience only a divine euphoria, which may translate itself into uncontrollable laughter. In my case I experienced hallucinations. What I was seeing was more clearly seen than anything I had seen before. At last I was seeing with the eye of the soul, not through the coarse lenses of my natural eyes. Moreover, what I was seeing was impregnated with weighty meaning: I was awe-struck."
Now about Flashbacks:
TREATMENT FOR PSILOCYBIAN MUSHROOM POISONING
The major dangers associated with psilocybin poisonings are primarily psychological in nature. Anxiety or panic states ("bad trips"), depressive or paranoid reactions, mood changes, disorientation and an inability to distinguish between reality and fantasy may occur.
Recommended treatment for this type of poisoning should always be primarily supportive. Mycologist Dr. Joseph Ammirati of the University of Washington and his colleagues claim that "no specific treatment can be recommended for psilocybin poisoning in humans". Other doctors have "stress[ed] the importance of measures to reduce absorption of the toxins involved". This involves either, e.g., gastric lavage or emesis Lincoff & Mitchell, 1977; Rumack & Saltzman, 1978; Smith, 1978).
Emesis. 15-30 cc of ipecac syrup followed by large amounts of oral liquids (500 cc).
Supportive treatment: i.e. the "talk-down" technique is the preferred method for handling "bad trips". It involves non-moralizing, comforting, personal support from an experienced individual. This is further aided by limiting external stimulation such as intense light or loud sounds and letting the person lie down and perhaps listen to soft music.
Tranquilizers need only be used in extreme situations and are generally not considered to be necessary. Diazepam, 0.1 mg/kg in children, up to 10 mg in adults, may be used to control seizures.
According to Dr. Rick Strassman of the University of New Mexico, anti-psychotics have gone out of favor for the treatment of `bad trips'. Specifically, medicines with anti-cholinergic side effects, such as chlorpromazine, should not be given as these mushrooms can have marked anti-cholinergic effects of their own.
In 1988, Dr. Jansen noted that cases which present medically fall into several groups:
Those who have taken the drug with little knowledge of hallucinogens and in the absence of sensible persons who can take care of them. These are more likely to be adolescents. They may self-present but are more often brought for medical attention by their parents.
Those who fall as a result of impaired balance or muscle weakness and are knocked out or otherwise injured as a result.
Those who are having a `bad trip'. These may involve acute anxiety and panic, depression, paranoid reactions, disorientation and an inability to distinguish between reality and fantasy.
Cases of idiosyncratic physical reactions such as cyanosis.
Those with recurring phenomena after the mushroom effects should have passed, including prolonged psychosis.
When the history is clear and the signs are suggestive of psilocybian intoxication, it is best not to artificially empty the stomach either by emesis with ipecac or by lavage. Treatment shows that emptying the stomach had no effect on the duration or intensity of the experience once psychological manifestations had properly commenced. Dr. Jansen maintains that unless there is a reason to suspect that a more toxic fungus has been ingested, or if the patient is a young child, induced emesis is not necessary, not helpful and may make the situation much worse if the patient is already aggressive and agitated.
Other doctors have also speculated that a lavage is not merited if psilocybian mushrooms have been positively identified as the source of discomfort. It has also been suggested that "gastric intubation can be difficult in these young patients who are often already distressed and not infrequently aggressive. Furthermore the mushrooms may block the standard lavage tubes [used] for drug overdoses."
The inherent danger from the ingestion of wild mushrooms lies not so much in the consumption of an hallucinogenic variety, but rather in the picking and eating of a toxic species which might resemble an hallucinogenic variety.
Dr. Gast?n Guzm?n (and his colleagues wrote that "field and laboratory studies strongly indicate that psychoactive mushroom use as it normally occurs does not constitute a drug abuse problem or a public health hazard" (Guzm?n et al., 1976). In addition, a recent survey conducted among college students in California, suggests that "the low frequency and few negative effects of [hallucinogenic mushroom] use indicate that abuse does not present a social problem, nor is there evidence for predicting the development of a problem" Thompson et al., 1985).
FLASHBACKS
In 1973, Dr. Hall was the Principal Research Officer of the Narcotics Section of the Commonwealth Police Force in Canberra. Dr. Hall had also reported that several drug users had been experiencing recurring `flashbacks' from mushrooms that were similar to `flashbacks' which were associated with LSD consumption.
According to Dr. Karl L. R. Jansen, there is not any firm evidence that mushroom `flashbacks' can occur. Researchers in 1983, have reported that out of 318 specific cases of Psilocybe intoxications occurring in England between l978-l981, 21 patients experienced `flashback phenomena of some form' for up to four months after ingestion", and also mentioned that some of these were the result of drug synergy and polydrug abuse.
"...However, with such a controversial phenomena as `flashbacks', it is necessary to specify precisely what form these do take, so that they may be distinguished from psychological stress reactions wrongly attributed to past drug use." Dr. Hall also pointed out that "if solutions of mushroom extracts were injected intravenously, the results could be very serious." There are no known cases of such injections, and it seems extremely unlikely that anyone would attempt this.
From Magic Mushrooms of Australia and New Zealnd at erowid.org.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: zeta]
#1379722 - 03/16/03 02:07 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Serotonine occurs naturally in quantity in all psilocybian mushrooms and actually competes and joins together with the serotonine already in your brain to make everything a little more clearer during your experience. It actually adds to your levels and increases them while you are on the shrooms.
After you have shroomed your body is worn down,. Why would you go and lift weights the next day when you need to refurbish your bodies chemistry to its normal levels again.
This makles no sense. ANd to trip and then go to school the next day is not cool either. You need 24 hours after your trip or longer for your body to recuperate from the intense chemical shock to your body and its central nervous system which occurs during your inebriationl.
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Edited by mjshroomer (03/16/03 02:11 AM)
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: mjshroomer]
#1379728 - 03/16/03 02:14 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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HEre is one page of an article posted here somewhere at the shroomery regaerdoing the presence of serotonine in shrooms, there are actually many articles with this information.
Click on image to Enlarge.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: mjshroomer]
#1379874 - 03/16/03 04:07 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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i noticed some effects of mushrooms, after i did shrooms like 5 times in the summer i would occasionally slur my speach for a bout 2 - 3 months after. but i havent done them in a while so im back to normal now.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1379895 - 03/16/03 04:19 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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i feel depleated after a trip, takes me a day or 2 to get bak up to code
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: zeta]
#1380111 - 03/16/03 06:07 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, smart ass, why don't you go trip every day. Go fry yourself. Shrooms are a drug and if you abuse it enough YOU WILL FUCK YOURSELF to the point where even YOU MIGHT notice it.
As far as the serotonin goes, isn't that what to be able to trip? If you take the same amt of shrooms right after you stop tripping, will you trip just as hard? Something is being used up in the brain and if its not serotonin then what is it?
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I and many others experience enhanced physical performance after shrooms
Wtf are you talking bout, go work out and try to do that. Go run an 800 the same time as you would've before you tripped. I would say your body is enhanced while on them but that's the drug doin that. I've never felt physically enhanced after tripping. Do you do any sports?? Shrooms throw off all my skills after tripping. I'd have to work my ass off to get back where I wouldn't look bad in meets.
What is it that you do that tripping physically enhances you on??
Do you even play ne sports?
I've got nothing against shrooms but like ALL DRUGS they're bad for you, but they are really fun,
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Xlea321]
#1380116 - 03/16/03 06:10 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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how much do you lift and how much do you weigh?
I didn't know they have lower toxicity than aspirin.
Shrooms do throw off your skills tho, I'm sure of that.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1380460 - 03/16/03 07:56 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yr starting to piss us off here Dilauded.
Just because something is a drug does not give it harmful side effects by default. Not all drug use is automatically drug abuse.
Responsible use of the mushroom is so totally safe for a mentally and physically healthy person...
Part of that responsible use is not thinking of the mushroom as a drug that's going to "fuck you up".
Proper preparation before hand is also going to minimize any of the horrible horrible side effects you describe such as not being able to run 800 meters as quickly... there should be some intentionality to this thing, a little respect... it's not just a pill you pop to see cool shit and get fucked up with.
Maybe the reason you notice these bad effects is that you're a person who classifies the mushrooms as a "drug" in the same category as drugs like cocaine or heroin... maybe you wanna investigate yr motivations in certain categories...
Also we don't really like to see so much rampant hostility towards strangers on a mushroom discussion board... doesn't that seem a little off message to you?
If not... I dunno buddy.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1380508 - 03/16/03 08:09 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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how much do you lift and how much do you weigh?
I weigh around 185. Mostly concentrate on 20-rep squats and deadlifts these days - shifting 320 x 20 squat and 380 x 20 in the trap bar deadlift.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: MightyQuinn]
#1380566 - 03/16/03 08:35 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Responsible use of the mushroom is so totally safe for a mentally and physically healthy person...
Its ok in an extent but if you're an athelete and are aiming to be the best then don't need something like this to throw you off track
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Maybe the reason you notice these bad effects is that you're a person who classifies the mushrooms as a "drug" in the same category as drugs like cocaine or heroin... maybe you wanna investigate yr motivations in certain categories...
I've done a LOT of drugs over the course of my life so far, shrooms aren't the same as coke and heroin. I've tripped enough time on shrooms to realize how it affects me and what the side-effects are if I do trip. These are all NOT LONG-TERM effects, but they take a side road in life for a couple hours of a psychidelic adventure, a new outlook on the way of things, and its so damn fun.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE POINT ACROSS THAT shrooms aren't good for you just as chugging a bottle of robitussin isn't good for you. I love shrooms very much, but they are not the best thing you should be feeding your body.
You can look at that wonderful psychedelic chemical psilocybin as a key to enlightenment and a shitload of fun or you can see it as another toxin jus as the toxins in non-psychidelic shrooms. Just because it's natural DOES NOT MEAN it can't hurt you. (Datura/Angel Trumpets)
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Xlea321]
#1380583 - 03/16/03 08:43 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's not the kinda weight lifting I'm talking bout. Get into the Clean and Jerk or the Clean and Press. How can you run up to 3 miles and pump up your legs with slow twitching fibers? If you get into Clean n Jerk/Press you'll get a better work out and enter a world of explosion. It's an awsome feeling with the right form otherwise you could break ur neck or something else.
tripping usually exhausts my body for the next day or 2 then I'm back on the ball.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1380676 - 03/16/03 09:23 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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>>I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE POINT ACROSS THAT shrooms aren't good for you just as chugging a bottle of robitussin isn't good for you....<<
Meanwhile, I'm trying to get the point across that that's jjjjjust not true, buddy.
>>Tripping usually exhausts my body for the next day or 2 then I'm back on the ball. >>
Riding my bike 25 miles does the same thing to me. That doesn't mean it's bad for you.
If your only concern is that you won't be good enough at sports...
Don't trip before a meet.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: MightyQuinn]
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Well I know I feel worn out after I trip because its a very dramatic experience, its very stressful to my mind which effects the way my body functions. As far as psilocybin/cin itself actually being poisonous or carrying long-term risks in normal adults, that is just complete udder bullshit. I heard in middle school LSD made your brain bleed and it dripped down your spine.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1380970 - 03/16/03 10:57 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Holy fucking shit, I'm sure I have more brain damage from reading your fucking post, than doing mushrooms! I'm not sure how you can even believe the stupid bullshit you spew! what a fucking moron you are! 
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: B(O)uddha]
#1381126 - 03/16/03 11:39 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey don't be mean!!
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: B(O)uddha]
#1381345 - 03/16/03 12:58 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Guess my argument won?t stand up against a bunch of druggies.
Edited by Dilauded (03/16/03 01:02 PM)
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1381391 - 03/16/03 01:16 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I want some medically documented proof that shrooms don't hurt you.
Only then will I believe.
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 Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1381405 - 03/16/03 01:22 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dilouddude(sp?  ) I am an older dude I have had a triple B/P cause of a fucked up angio.I am 45yrs old, I weigh 185@ 69" tall,I bench press 225 and can walk strait uphill all day long.........on 5g of good cubes
Point is ,yes fungi can be hard on some folks and others seem to use them like vitamins.I think it has to do with how one digests the fungal protein more than the drug psilocybin,which in small non abusive doses seems virtualy non-toxic.
Here's a tip for using shrooms w/o physical problems.First have some nutes onboard while tripping and eat and drink light healthy food on come down.Second don't lose sleep to trip, take them early enough that you maintain a normal sleep pattern.Third have a light healthy breakfast when you wake up.Lastly If you are as serious about your bod as you sound then just freaking say NO!
Compared to the crapola "suppliments" folks take shrooms are probably far safer!
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1381983 - 03/16/03 05:42 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I want some medically documented proof that shrooms don't hurt you.
Well it comes around 400 places lower in the physical toxicity list than aspirin. Does that sound like a dangerous drug?
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Xlea321]
#1382685 - 03/17/03 03:45 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dr. Gast?n Guzm?n (and his colleagues wrote that "field and laboratory studies strongly indicate that psychoactive mushroom use as it normally occurs does not constitute a drug abuse problem or a public health hazard" (Guzm?n et al., 1976). In addition, a recent survey conducted among college students in California, suggests that "the low frequency and few negative effects of [hallucinogenic mushroom] use indicate that abuse does not present a social problem, nor is there evidence for predicting the development of a problem" Thompson et al., 1985).
Guzm?n, Gast?n., Ott, Jonathan., Boydson, Jerry., and Steven Pollock. 1976. Psychotropic mycoflora of Washington, Idaho, Oregon, California and British Columbia, Canada. Mycologia vol. 68(6):1267-1272. November-December.
The occurrence, distribution and use of entheogenic fungi from the Pacific Northwest United States and Canada is presented.
Thompson, John P., Anglin, M. Douglas., Emboden, William and Dennis Gene Fisher. 1985. Mushroom use by college students. Journal of Drug Education vol. 15(2):111-124.
This study investigates the extend of entheogenic mushroom use among 1507 college students and compares mushroom users to non-users. Surveys were conducted at UCLA and at CSUN. The data suggests a high level of experimental use of mushrooms when compared to the experimental use of other entheogenic drugs.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: mjshroomer]
#1382919 - 03/17/03 05:23 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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MJ, you must really be dumb. Everybody knows that shrooms don't have any bad effects on the body.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1382982 - 03/17/03 05:49 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your argument is retarded.
I've got nothing against shrooms but like ALL DRUGS they're bad for you, but they are really fun,
D-X
retarded.
Moderate doses of almost any drugs are very very safe. As long as you know what youre getting and how you react.
Also, experiences are incredibly sdubjective. Some people dont feel depleted, some do.
You cannot deny the experiences of others.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1383053 - 03/17/03 06:15 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've got nothing against shrooms but like ALL DRUGS they're bad for you, but they are really fun
Mister G.W. Bush.... do a google search for shrooms and some other drugs and learn something about them.... don't believe all the Bush/US propaganda.... propaganda is more harmful than shrooms 
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1383163 - 03/17/03 06:53 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dilauded, your possibly the stupidest person i have had the displeasure of having to read about in my life..
if your a athelete and your soo concerned about them affecting your physical shape, then do not do them, plain and fucking simple
I am an athelete too, they are yet to cause any problems with anything i do, Hockey, Rugby and my Weight Training still go on just as well as they normally do, and i stil perform just as well, or sometimes better then normal, because when on mushrooms i some times devise a new technique that helps me in my game.
your Argument is not working, mainly because we all know the psychosis you are in, i am not a druggie by any standards, i do my shroom trips 1 to 3 months apart, and thats the only drug i use, i wont even pop a Advil for a headache unless the pain is too severe and its stopping me from getting rest.
Its all in your head, if you think the shrooms are gunna hold you back from performing your best, they will.. if you dont think that way, they wont. but Drugs affect different people in different ways, so who knows.
And flaming MJ, who is a fuckload smarter then you, was not a good idea, nice way to get everyone on the boards thinking your such a great guy, for your future, i suggest you request your i.p. be banned and your account deleted, and that you move on with your life. alot of people arent going to want to associate or even bother conversing with you after your shit
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1383664 - 03/17/03 09:19 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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MJ, you must really be dumb. Everybody knows that shrooms don't have any bad effects on the body.
werent you just being a tard about how they do harm you. fuck stick to one story. ive heard that if you just do them in moderation you'll be fine.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dilauded]
#1383738 - 03/17/03 09:40 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, everybody CHILL OUT. I'm going to END this argument right now.
Dilauded, you seem to think that mushrooms deplete serotonin. This is absolutely false. You are confusing mushrooms with Ecstasy. Psilocybin mimics serotonin. It outcompetes serotonin for receptor sites in the brain and causes neurons to fire differently than with endogenous neurotransmitters. Ecstasy (MDMA) on the other hand triggers your brain to unload all its stored serotonin. This is why people get depressed after taking ecstasy. There is a severe down after using it because your brain doesn't have anymore serotonin to keep your brain functioning normally.
There are no medical documents proving that mushrooms don't deplete serotonin, but this is only because there are no medical professionals who believe this could be the case. MDMA depletes serotonin for sure, so compare the come-downs of mushrooms and MDMA. Are they comparable? Obviously not.
Your website PubMed doesn't seem to have the evidence to support your argument. Most of the studies involving psilocybin are about cognition, what geometric patterns tell us about the visual cortex, and things like that.
Your link: "The effect of Psilocybe cubensis extract on hippocampal neurons in vitro."
This paragraph doesn't say anything to support psilocybin's toxicity. It's about what part of a rat's brain gets stimulated by psilocin. Also, the rat's are dead. In vitro.
I've got nothing against shrooms but like ALL DRUGS they're bad for you, but they are really fun,
Dilauded, if you want to find the key to why people are flaming you, examine a statement like this, I'm afraid it comes across as being pretty ignorant. Heroine, for example, has no negative side effects. You can do heroine every day and sit on your couch and probably be healthier than someone who eats junk food and watches TV on their couch. Your brain is certainly getting more excericise. Water also has no negative side effects, but you can die from drinking too much, same way you can die on heroine. What I'm trying to say is that you really can't write off "drugs" as bad for you. If you ate lemons non-stop, man you'd get sick. Does that mean they're bad for you? By your logic, yes.
So what's the mushroom LD50 for humans? Nobody knows exactly, but in rats, 280 mg/Kg (Intra-veinous) in mice, 285 mg/Kg, and in rabbits 12.5 mg/kg. A dose for your average human is what, 35 MG? 40 mg? And in case you don't know, the LD50 dose is when 50% of the dosed creatures die.
Anyway I think rather than telling us to produce documents proving that mushrooms AREN'T harmful physically, you should produce documents proving that they are. You telling us to prove that mushrooms aren't harmful is like me saying "Prove to me with medical documents that lettuce DOESN'T eat your muscles from the inside out." Obviously such a study doesn't exist, does that mean I'm right? Of course not.
Also, remember that you saying that your muscles ache after mushroom use is not evidence of any kind. It's completely subjective, and you are not under strict laboratory controls. If medicine was based on testimony like yours, we'd be nowhere, because without carefully controlled studies, we don't REALLY know anything. Anything could be causing yoru sore muscles, but you attribute it to mushrooms because you are functioning under the assumption that "DRUGS" are "BAD" for your health.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dogomush]
#1383812 - 03/17/03 10:01 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh one more thing.. this is about the "Drugs are bad for you" statement.
DMT.. Dimethyltryptamine. A super-hallucinogenic molecule closely related to mushrooms. It's a drug, so it's bad for you, right? Oh wait, it's produced by your own brain. I guess we're on a cerebral suicide mission eh? You'd think we'd phase it out if that were the case. BTW Psilocin (What psilocybin turns into when it hits your stomach) is 4-hydroxy Dimethyltryptamine. See why so many people think it doesn't do damage? It's very similar to your own neurotransmitters like DMT, and it's model of action is that it hangs out in your brain for a bit and then is cleanly metabolized and purged after some time.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Told]
#1386548 - 03/18/03 02:32 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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psilocybin and psilocin are pretty much non-toxic. with a little respect and moderation, mushrooms will not harm you in any way. on the contrary... they will probably help make you well.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: poke smot!]
#1386701 - 03/18/03 03:47 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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AS I have postewd over and over, Psilocybine ois converted into psilocine when it enters your body before you get off.
Not DMT as noted in an above post.
ALso, 5-hydroxytryptamine is (serotonine) is common in all psilklo9cybine mushrooms and competes witht he serotonine in your brain.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: poke smot!]
#1386714 - 03/18/03 03:55 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dogomush said Quote:
So what's the mushroom LD50 for humans? Nobody knows exactly, but in rats, 280 mg/Kg (Intra-veinous) in mice, 285 mg/Kg, and in rabbits 12.5 mg/kg. A dose for your average human is what, 35 MG? 40 mg?Quote:
Actually a human dosage is 10-30 milligrams.
The paragraph below is from John Allen's Magic Mushrooms of Australia and New Zealand.
Jonathan Ott reported that the "Ld50 (lethal dosage) in mice for psilocybin has been determined to be 280 mg/kg, oral ingestion", thereby assuming that a person of average weight (i.e. 70 kg/155 lb) person, "would have to ingest l9.6 grams of [the extracted chemical] psilocybin to produce death." However, in 1989, Dr. Karl L. R. Jansen at the University of Auckland stated that he believes that "the LD50 (the dose at which 50% of a sample will die) has been determined as 280 mg/kg in mice. However, it is not valid to calculate the LD50 for humans by a simple percentage/weight calculation. Mice and humans have very different metabolic rates and dispose of drugs in different ways. It is unlikely that even a large number of psilocybine mushrooms would not be toxic in humans, but we cannot suggest an exact figure from data based on rodent studies."
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: mjshroomer]
#1386931 - 03/18/03 05:03 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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mj, what do you think of the theory Strassman mentions of psilocin as "orally active DMT", ie it's close enough to the DMT structure that it slots into the same receptors as DMT?
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Xlea321]
#1386976 - 03/18/03 05:20 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I should remind everyone that DMT is a tryptamine the same as DERT, 5-meo-DMT and Psilocine, psilocybine, bufotonine, serotonine, urea, trptophan, etc. The highs have similar actions and effects which can mimic one another. Smiking dmt, one can feel physical effects of psilocybine in the high. That does not mean you are feeling psilocybine or vice-versa.
There are DMT feelings in psilocybine highs which are psilocybian in effect but are not the DMT high.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: mjshroomer]
#1387075 - 03/18/03 06:06 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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so... im putting together some thoughts here, so theoretically.. (or just plain true) your can eat a couple ounces of shrooms and just trip your happy ass away? without worrying about... anything
so why dont people commonly dose very high? if its not dangerous
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: enacid]
#1387215 - 03/18/03 06:56 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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sometimes its a waste. In north dakota shrooms barely come around and when they do everyone jumps on them. If you decide to down a quarter, thats around 80-100 dollars here. If you don't grow your own... of course.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Lummox]
#1388190 - 03/18/03 11:58 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't eat ounces at a time because I think I'd be very anxious and scared going into it. I'd probably piss and shit myself too.
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 Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: mjshroomer]
#1389749 - 03/19/03 12:56 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi,
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ALso, 5-hydroxytryptamine is (serotonine) is common in all psilklo9cybine mushrooms and competes with the serotonine in your brain.
actually serotonine cannot pass the blood-brain barrier when taken orally .
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Hermes_br]
#1391552 - 03/19/03 11:38 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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A very uninformed friend was told 30g of fresh shrooms was a good dose... He didn't really understand the concept of fresh... so he ate the dried ounce he had.
Other than a mild headache the next day, he was fine.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Shdwstr]
#1392333 - 03/19/03 03:47 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Two children and a mother in Menton France in 1962 or so accidently cooked aklmost three fresh ounces of Copelandia Cyanescens. They spent the night in the hospital with convulsions.
This shroom takes 7 to 10 fresh shrooms or one dried gram.
see below comments from above posted paper. paper on clinical study of four people.
and here from Amsterdam's Conscious Dreams Kokpeli Smart Shoppe is a 15 Euro dollar dose of Copelandia cyanescens.
Mjshroomer.
I should also mention that regular users of these Copelandia shrooms in Hawaii all report high tolerance levels after a few years of continous use, causing many to consume from 50 to 2-300 small and medium shrooms to get high.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: mjshroomer]
#1392694 - 03/19/03 05:34 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Where do these users taking mushrooms every week for 3-4 years get their supplies? Are they growing their own? Sounds pretty expensive if they need 300 per trip. Why wouldn't they stop taking them when they noticed they had to take four to five times as much to have the same effect?
Not saying it isn't true, it just sounds a little far-fetched. Surely any reasonabe person would notice they had to take twice as much, have a break, then go back to eating the lower dose when tolerance had vanished. I find it hard to believe anyone would be silly enough to keep taking them every week for 3-4 years even when they needed 300 to get high.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Xlea321]
#1392707 - 03/19/03 05:39 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hawaii = wild world of shrooms. = free mush.
MJshroomer I think 1 gram per dose of Copelandia is a bit conservative.. I would suggest 2-3 grams for a pretty good trip... ie proper visuals.. Im sure you yourself dont take just 1g.
Also as you know Copelandia strains differ in their Alkaloidal content..so just saying 1g is a bit misleading.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: mesq]
#1392714 - 03/19/03 05:42 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah i know they grow there, I just wonder if there's such an abundance you can take 300 a trip when if you waited a month you'd only need 10-50.
No matter how abundant they were, I'd think about having a month off and starting with 10-50 again rather than keep eating 300 every time.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Xlea321]
#1393028 - 03/19/03 07:28 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ENOUGH WITH THE serotonin SOOOOO much shit uses serotonin up, like... uh anything FUKCING PLEASURABLE - sex, eating ect. !!!! secondly u say shrooming throws physical skills off!!!??? wtf!! after i shroom my drawings improved, my writing improved, my guitarplaying improved, my skateboarding improved, my fucking kung fu improved.... what one learns through their trip if they trip responsibly overcomes any physical damage... however i do understand that shrooms wear u out but thats because u just had a fucking adventure- like n e thing else that intense even non drug related
oh yeah sombody said somin about not being able to od on shrooms and then saying if thats true why dont people take higher dosages... this is because the intensity becomes too much i bet- what u expierence is probably beyond most!
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: ska8ball]
#1394120 - 03/20/03 03:51 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Steady on ska8, I think you should be addressing this to dilaudid not me.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: mesq]
#1394423 - 03/20/03 05:33 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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MJshroomer I think 1 gram per dose of Copelandia is a bit conservative.. I would suggest 2-3 grams for a pretty good trip... ie proper visuals.. Im sure you yourself dont take just 1g
And ALex, In Hawaii the shrooms fruit from 3 or 4 to as many as 200 oin a single cow pie.
I have personally seen people consume whole bagfuls of shrooms in Hawaii so I konw what I am talking about, not counting the many Surveys of use Mark Merlin studied while conducting his every other semester Biology 440 class which is call Psychoactive Drug Plants..
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Also as you know Copelandia strains differ in their Alkaloidal content..so just saying 1g is a bit misleading
The po0oled collections of the hawaiian Copelandias were rich in psilocybine and low in psilocine. The australian and Thai were virtually exempt in psilocybine and hig in psilocine.
People who only eat shrooms, once or twice a year, of which are many who only do that a few times a year get off really well on one gream of dried Copelandia's.
PEople who consume them weekly usually build a quick tolerance.
As for how many. Hawaii is a wonbderful place. It is thew only location in the wolrd which has all seasons at once.
When the shrooms grow on one side of the islands during a specific time, they appear on the other side of the Islands at the other end of the year.
They do not appear during the extreme hot months, and the reason they copnstanly are there is because of the moving of cattle from one paddock to another paddock.
There are alt least ten large racncches for Shrooms on Oahu,
The whole volcanon of Haleakala on Maui is home to dozens of large ranc hes.
The 200,000 acred Parker Ranch on The big island.
Each island has its seasons and on the big island they gerow ont he Hilo side during a specific season and then on the kona side at a different time of the year so one can pick close to all year long and massive collections. Not 20 or thirty.
I use to pick over 2000 to 4000 specimens in a morning on Oahu and on Maui.
I am talking large boxes of shrooms.
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And yes people consume a lot, but I can take ten to 12 fresh shrooms and give them to someone who has only dosesd a few times and then give 200 medium shrooms to a regular loser who might say he could of eaten a few more.
I would rather turn on twenty people to those two hundred shrooms then to give them to someone who is obviously abusing the shrooms and their own body.
a few images of multiple Copelandias in manure from hawaii and Thailand.
These next three are of C. tropicalis
ANd to go to the extreme, in a location far north and colder climates, these specimens of Copelandia bispora, also found by me in Haaii comes from a Church yard in Switzerland.
Amazng. I should note that they did not return the following year. The species previously known only from Africa and by me from hawaii is strange but they came in with the maured compost imported from Africa.
and those ones came from this lawn here
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: mjshroomer]
#1396230 - 03/20/03 06:10 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn, MJ. The pictures you post sometimes make me want to become a full time mycologist. Thanks a million for all you've done for this community.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Viveka]
#1396658 - 03/20/03 11:42 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I still think 1 gram is a conservative dose.. I would recommend two.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: mesq]
#1396779 - 03/21/03 01:17 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you had read the paper you would have noticed that the Hawaiian shrooms are rich in psilocybine and the auustralian one s had a high psilocine content and were void of psilocybine.
That makes a fidderence inthe dosages.
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Re: harmful effects of mush? [Re: Dogomush]
#1396793 - 03/21/03 01:27 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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To paraphrase Theophratus Bombastus von Hoenhein:
The difference between a poison and a remedy is dosage.
This is my credo. It is undeniably true.
Looks like Dialaudid gave up. Logic and evidence (or lack thereof) seemed to be too much for him.
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#24410004 - 06/16/17 10:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you can understand this
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11962085&dopt=Abstract
Shrooms will hurt you physically and mentally. They'll enlighten you and the same time deplete your body's nutrition.
www.pubmed.org is the best place to find info on drugs that you want to find out the effects to your body.
Search for psilocybin and it'll give you a bunch of articles about their effects etc...
D-X
hey bud, looks like you don't do much research. And please stop spreading terrible misinformation. Also, learn to read a research paper, just because concentrations of 5-ht and its receptors change IN A EXTRACTED LAB SOLUTION NOT A HUMAN BRAIN, does not mean it is harmful or even actually happens in our human brains.
Have you seen this? Evidence suggests mushrooms can actually help emotional disorders by generating brand new neurons in the memory center of your brain. A lot of theories on this are being investigated right now; many researchers think this is why shrooms are so useful for treatment of anxiety and depression
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23727882
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