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Amazon Shop for: ½ Pint Jars, Coir, Oyster Shell, Peat, Vermiculite, pH Test Strips

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Offlinegeo2001m
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Casing Help
    #1373875 - 03/13/03 09:00 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Hi, First of all this is my first try, so far so good, I started my 6 1/2 Pint Jars on the 6th and they are 100%. They are B+, I'm going to wait another week too make sure the insides of the cake is done also. But here is my question, I have a few bags of vermiculite, peat moss. I was going too case with that, do you guys suggest any other material too case with? I kinda wanna do this slow and right. Any suggestions would be great. Also I'll be using pertile at the bottom for humidity inside of a clear rubbermaid case. Thanks.


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Re: Casing Help [Re: geo2001m]
    #1373941 - 03/13/03 09:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

IMHO, 1 part peat, 1 part coir, 1 part verm, is the best casing mixure.

Test pH with a pH meter (available @ any garden store from $7 to $20 -- or limus strips) & adjust with hydrated lime (fast, Hoffmans brand --  if you can find it - @ any good garden supply stores).

Then -- add crushed oyster shell, crushed egg shell or limestone grit as a long lasting buffering agent.

Optimal casing pH is right around 7.5.

Raw mix above will be from 4 to 5.5 pH, before adjustment.

You CANNOT test or adjust a pH......................without a METER (or, litmus strips).

Most folks overlook this, get it all wrong & wonder when their casings stall, or side pin.

6T......................................... :wink:
 


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Re: Casing Help [Re: geo2001m]
    #1373982 - 03/13/03 10:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

60/40 Verm and Coco Coir.

You don't need to worry about the ph of the casing material.

60/40 tek

good luck!


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Re: Casing Help [Re: Roadkill]
    #1374025 - 03/13/03 10:28 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks, I think I'll try both of them, after all its a hobby. I know where too get everything, but crushed oyster shells, Would the crushed oyster shells from a pet store be ok? Or is there a special gardening type?


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Re: Casing Help [Re: Roadkill]
    #1374032 - 03/13/03 10:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

arent photosynthesetic plants the only things affected by small change in the mediums PH? meaning plants are affected by minute PH variences, while fungi need a larger fluxuation in acidity to really affect growth?


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Re: Casing Help [Re: Roadkill]
    #1374062 - 03/13/03 10:55 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

LOL........................

As much as I hate to, I have to slightly disagree with RoadKill :blush:.

The coir & verm his foaf uses, may not be the same as what your foaf can acquire & use.

Essentially the pH of vermiculite can be close to neutral but usually because of the presence of associated carbonate compounds, the reaction often is alkaline. As such, the pH of vermiculite does change, and can range from 6 to above 9.5, and the vermiculites from some mines tend to be more neutral while other mines will tend to have higher pH's. Also, depending on how vermiculite is processed (exfoliated or expanded), the pH of the expanded particles can change. After being processed, vermiculite can become more alkaline as it slowly absorbs more atmospheric moisture.

The pH of coir is depenant on its source & how it was processed. It can vary from pH 4 to 7 (search google & you will find the pH of coir from differing sources varies - signicifantly.

Now mix those verm & coir togather & what pH does the resulting mix have? You don't know, do you.

LOL, now I'm going to have watch my as, otherwise I may end up as road/fodder, with a tire tread mark across my ass..................

All in good fun, Roady :tongue:

My foaf has had casing mixes, that wrecked the whole show because the pH was way haywire (he found that out after the fact).

Consiquently, my foaf is a firm believer in testing it, no matter what the content & mix is. Then, adjusting it, to exactly what it should be...............rather than hope it's right.

As for where to find crushed oyster shell. If there are any feed stores in your area. They almost all stock it for chicken scratch.

6T  :tongue:



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Re: Casing Help [Re: geo2001m]
    #1374064 - 03/13/03 10:55 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Would the crushed oyster shells from a pet store be ok?


Yes that would work fine.

YW


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Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.



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Re: Casing Help [Re: Roadkill]
    #1374075 - 03/13/03 11:07 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

If this is your first casing I personally dont suggest using peat moss. Peat moss is a good way to get contams. And on my coco coir and verm it says the ph balence. But I only have had contams with peat but thats my own expeiriance.


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Re: Casing Help [Re: fee]
    #1376220 - 03/14/03 02:34 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

fee, your right, for my first casing i'll keep it simple, then I will try a more advanced method my 2nd time around. i'll try the 60/40. Also sorry to the board I posted a illegal trade on marketplace, I didnt know what I was looking for was illegal, because i seen some for sale on ebay. But now I know :smile:  Thanks for all your guys help, this is the friendyest (i cant spell) board i ever seen. Peace


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Re: Casing Help [Re: Roadkill]
    #1376626 - 03/14/03 06:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with 6T here RK , ph can and does make a difference .
But in general mushies do not mind if you are "slightly" acidic .
Recently did some experiments messing with ph , anything more acidic than a 3 was bad news(lots of green ickies, few mushies) , and if you swing way far into the alkaline side , CATASTROPHE will be the final result . Myc will die off way before it can produce mushies .
PS peat verm works well , contams are not bad , this all depends on how well you prep and handle it IMO . If lazy and do not want to play with ph , it will work just fine by it self (not optimal , but still does trick) . Have not had priveledge of using coir , due to lack of people who carry it in my area , oyster shell works well to alter ph if you desire to do so . Listen to 6T he knows his shit !


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