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Does the Universe Make Mistakes?
    #13736121 - 01/05/11 04:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well, what do you think?

It's done a super job of being macro- and micro- organized for fucking forever, which makes things like accidents, flukes, wrong phone numbers, fiascos, scandals, and other such "unintentional" encounters seem highly improbable.

P.S. Your mother was supposed to die young.


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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: Arden]
    #13736137 - 01/05/11 04:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i was just thinking about this today....

i don't think it can make mistakes because it is all that is. it must follow the rules...because it is the rule.


it's like an expirement with every factor considered.

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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: curious mouse]
    #13736172 - 01/05/11 04:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah its called the Earth

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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: Arden]
    #13736173 - 01/05/11 04:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Arden said:
Well, what do you think?

It's done a super job of being macro- and micro- organized for fucking forever, which makes things like accidents, flukes, wrong phone numbers, fiascos, scandals, and other such "unintentional" encounters seem highly improbable.

P.S. Your mother was supposed to die young.





Life, humans etc. are part of the universe too - and we make mistakes all the time. Unless that is what the universe had intended, in which I cannot then come up with a good example.


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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: Wise Toad]
    #13736178 - 01/05/11 04:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Wise Toad said:
Yeah its called the Earth



Do you believe there is no life anywhere else in the universe?


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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: Wise Toad]
    #13736195 - 01/05/11 04:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Wise Toad said:
Yeah its called the Earth




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Life, humans etc. are part of the universe too - and we make mistakes all the time. Unless that is what the universe had intended, in which I cannot then come up with a good example.




The next question is whether humans are disconnected from the rest of the interdependent relationships we are embedded in. As if we, in all our hero-dominator-controlled glory have somehow slipped from the reigns of nature and are running our own portion of the show.

It's like puppets forgetting they have a hand up their ass.



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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: twighead]
    #13736227 - 01/05/11 04:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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twighead said:

Life, humans etc. are part of the universe too - and we make mistakes all the time. Unless that is what the universe had intended, in which I cannot then come up with a good example.





if life is all about learnin' thangs.

then mistakes would be necessary

you can't learn anythang without making some mistakes


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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: Arden]
    #13736230 - 01/05/11 04:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Arden said:
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Wise Toad said:
Yeah its called the Earth




Quote:

Life, humans etc. are part of the universe too - and we make mistakes all the time. Unless that is what the universe had intended, in which I cannot then come up with a good example.




The next question is whether humans are disconnected from the rest of the interdependent relationships we are embedded in. As if we, in all our hero-dominator-controlled glory have somehow slipped from the reigns of nature and are running our own portion of the show.

It's like puppets forgetting they have a hand up their ass.






Not really. We're just better organized organic computers than the rest of the known lifeforms, but we are still constructed, composed, designed, and ran by the universe.


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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: twighead]
    #13736285 - 01/05/11 04:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Not really. We're just better organized organic computers than the rest of the known lifeforms, but we are still constructed, composed, designed, and ran by the universe.




That's what I was implying. The universe is fingering all of us. Two in the think, one in the extinct.

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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: twighead]
    #13736297 - 01/05/11 04:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The word "mistake" is rather subjective.

The events that humans categorize as "mistakes" are only mistakes because of the human perspective that is applied to them.

If you take away that human perspective then no, there are no mistakes.


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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: curious mouse]
    #13736324 - 01/05/11 04:59 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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curious mouse said:
i was just thinking about this today....

i don't think it can make mistakes because it is all that is. it must follow the rules...because it is the rule.


it's like an expirement with every factor considered.



I was actually having a debate with a christian about this yesterday. I tried explaining how morals are a human construct and how our perception of 'right and wrong' should be no different than observing the force of gravity. When gravity kills someone, its not because its evil, it just is. All events are merely the result of the culmination of many intricate systems interacting with one another. And how we can attune our personal systems to those that are all-inclusive in order to better sense the natural flow of universe.

..he didnt get it.


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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: propensity]
    #13736327 - 01/05/11 04:59 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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propensity said:
The word "mistake" is rather subjective.

The events that humans categorize as "mistakes" are only mistakes because of the human perspective that is applied to them.

If you take away that human perspective then no, there are no mistakes.




Right again, me thinks. :thumbup:

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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: The_Ghost]
    #13736333 - 01/05/11 05:00 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

mistakes were meant to be learned from, so yes.

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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: Arden]
    #13736337 - 01/05/11 05:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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..he didnt get it.




The person is still made of star stuff. So, perhaps the blatant ignorance isn't a mistake either. :grin:

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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: drspock825]
    #13736342 - 01/05/11 05:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

who are we to say the universe makes mistakes?!?


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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: Arden]
    #13736348 - 01/05/11 05:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Btw, good to see you postin again Arden


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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: danlennon3]
    #13736361 - 01/05/11 05:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe the problem is that the universe is as highly specific as can be and never makes mistakes, in which case some very odd things could occur that, in physics, make sense but in general seem like a gigantic fluke.

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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: danlennon3]
    #13736371 - 01/05/11 05:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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who are we to say the universe makes mistakes?!?




Depressed people believe in mistakes.

Climatologists believe in mistakes.

Religious folk believe in mistakes.

Sometimes married people and divorced people believe in mistakes.

ad nauseum

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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: danlennon3]
    #13736377 - 01/05/11 05:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Arden said:
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propensity said:
The word "mistake" is rather subjective.

The events that humans categorize as "mistakes" are only mistakes because of the human perspective that is applied to them.

If you take away that human perspective then no, there are no mistakes.




Right again, me thinks. :thumbup:



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danlennon3 said:
who are we to say the universe makes mistakes?!?



We're the universe so we're as qualified as anything.

But I would simply categorize a mistake as an unintended happening - not necessarily a human construct - say, the half life of Pu238 is 87.74 years - if this for no good reason took 88 years then that would be a mistake.


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Re: Does the Universe Make Mistakes? [Re: Arden]
    #13736386 - 01/05/11 05:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

People make mistakes.

The Universe does not.


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