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Destroy the Forests
#13729069 - 01/04/11 11:56 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Our Tory government (they’re in power here now… I don’t know why?) intend selling off all remaining forests here in the UK. It’s very worrying; it means decimation of natural landscapes, a great change to the environment. It’s intended that Logging company’s move in first and then after the ancient woodlands have been raped the developers will come making money with ventures like Golf courses and Leisure Centres e.g. and ultimately housing I guess?
I’m not against progress, and I’m not against “money” but I hate this stuff and I wish it was shoved right back up the Tory’s arse’ where it belongs.
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that sucks man. start a revolt. u had riots over tuition, why not deforestation?
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Re: Destroy the Forests [Re: broken]
#13729122 - 01/04/11 12:09 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its only a little country closed veil and there's almost 70 million of us living here now, ffs its smaller that georgia, yet our last remaining bit of greenery's gonna get concerted over.
little englander mentality aside, we as a nation have to breath and at least be confident that if we travel a few miles we can be back where we started from and in a natural environment again.
Without such basic feeling the claustrophobia will be unendurable.
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fantasticfungus said: Its only a little country
with that attitude you'll never get anything done.
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Re: Destroy the Forests [Re: broken]
#13729821 - 01/04/11 02:34 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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That does kinda suck indeed. So. How are you guys going to breath without oxygen?
I find it amazing how we all very well know that the trees give us our oxygen. Humans and trees are an ecosystem. If you kill the trees, you will kill all humans. We all know this. Yet we proceed chopping down the trees.
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Re: Destroy the Forests [Re: Diaboleros]
#13730344 - 01/04/11 04:26 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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And yet humans proliferate.
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Re: Destroy the Forests [Re: Diaboleros]
#13730870 - 01/04/11 05:52 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yet we proceed chopping down the trees.
Well, we still have a shitload of other respirating plants. We won't be completely screwed unless all the plankton starts to die.
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Re: Destroy the Forests [Re: SWEDEN]
#13752433 - 01/08/11 01:43 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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actually that oxygen is only in the water keeping the water oxygenated. Coincidentally when it grows in large blooms as is becoming prolific then dies, it can begin to rot and release poisonous amounts of carbon dioxide that kill sea life in the area. All without involving the atmospheric levels of both gasses.
Also, non-forrest flora like plants used for agricultural purposes do not release nearly the amount of oxygen or consume nearly the amount of carbon dioxide as trees. They also don't deposit nearly as much carbon into the soil as trees, which is why forests are known as carbon sinks and fields are not.
I think this is a greater threat for the ecosystem in general than anything else. There will basically be no wildlife without forests, all the native wildlife and tree species will disappear. The bio-diversity as fractured as it is in England will be gone. If they ever want to reforest they will basically have to import everything from Ireland and elsewhere.
Are you sure they are selling them off to logging though? A lot of those neo-liberals/conservatives are trying to switch forests over to private owners who would hypothetically run them like tree-farms it's possible that provisions are included to prevent full deforestation. It could be part of an effort to profiteer from an eventual carbon market as well. The last Global climate change summit finally hammered out verifiable emissions measurements so an agreement that allows for reductions involving offsets can be made. Would the government hold onto a potential moneymaker like that? Not a conservative one, that's for sure. Far better for them to sell it off to the public at a tenth the price than to let any of that money reach government coffers.
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Can you post some links to information on them destroying your forests? I hope we in America wake up and start preserving our forests.
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Re: Destroy the Forests [Re: lines]
#13752689 - 01/08/11 02:28 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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America does preserve forests.
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Re: Destroy the Forests [Re: DieCommie]
#13752793 - 01/08/11 02:45 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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What exactly do you mean by that? The amount of forrest coverage in the US reduces every year.
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ScavengerType said: actually that oxygen is only in the water keeping the water oxygenated. Coincidentally when it grows in large blooms as is becoming prolific then dies, it can begin to rot and release poisonous amounts of carbon dioxide that kill sea life in the area. All without involving the atmospheric levels of both gasses.
not entirely true, there's several classes of plankton involving hundreds or even thousands of species, jellyfish are included in one of those classes, when that aquatic 'flora' dies off they produce methane gas, not carbon dioxide, they do provide carbon that settles to the sea floor, this is known as a biological pump. many species of these plankton also provide oxygen for the atmosphere and act as a carbon sink for the same
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Re: Destroy the Forests [Re: Prisoner#1]
#13753373 - 01/08/11 04:26 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea in smaller numbers this is the case. Perhaps I've been unclear, I was referring to the larger plumes that are becoming more prevalent and are visible from outer-space. The ones that are sizable enough to make the news and shit.
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I didnt mean "breath" literally! I was just being metaphorical about our spreading urbanization.
I live right in the middle of england where its about 20 miles on average from each city centre to the next one. They all keep getting bigger all the time, soon they're all going to link up. Im located right next to a Theme Park (can hear the kids screaming on the rides sunday morning as I have a late ley in bed). I'm ok with the theme park though, it gives employment and ppl seem to love coming for a day out there. There's some nice woodlands attached to the theme park too and I'm sure it would take generations for the park to expand all the way in to this wooded area.
But it's beginning to feel a bit like 'Theme Park Britain' now and this sux, leave the bleedin forests alone I say!
I do care about the environment but Im no tree hugger. I recon that the planets alot tougher than its made out to be, I bet it will still be here with forests when we as a species have disappeared.
But these forests belong to the people and the Tory's should keep their slime hands off of em. As well as us being turned in to some kinda coast to coast theme park the whole country's going to end up as a museum and monument to the industrial revolution that took place here, because now we dont have any 'industry' left anymore?
The whole nations existing simply to service the financial services sector witch is in fact the only industry left, so let the banks make their money but I want the forests left alone.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/10/24/tories-want-to-sell-half-our-forests-115875-22654776/
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2 to 5 billion pounds for half the remaining forests in Brittan, that's not even worth it. The forests will near certainly appreciate in value more than the interest of if the country just borrowed the money.
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SOme people in the right-wing are starting to speak up about environmental conservation throughout their history the right-wing has included environmental destruction in their agenda and I just don't understand why they think that's a good thing. The policies of the left often destroy the environment too but they often times at least will include pro-environmental rhetoric in their speeches even though they rarely follow through with pro-environmental action. But thankfully I have heard some people on the right saying that right-wingers should be pro-environment too.
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ScavengerType said: Also, non-forrest flora like plants used for agricultural purposes do not release nearly the amount of oxygen or consume nearly the amount of carbon dioxide as trees.
Trees do not release oxygen. They sequester the carbon in CO2 molecules, leaving just O2 (oxygen).
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ScavengerType said: Also, non-forrest flora like plants used for agricultural purposes do not release nearly the amount of oxygen or consume nearly the amount of carbon dioxide as trees.
Trees do not release oxygen. They sequester the carbon in CO2 molecules, leaving just O2 (oxygen).

All these links say trees prodice oxyegen, the first one says this:
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Through photosynthesis, plants use the energy from sunlight to produce sugar, which cellular respiration converts into adenosine triphosphate (ATP), which all living things use for energy. Oxygen is a biproduct of this chemical process.
This is written 6H2O + 6CO2 -------> C6H12O6+ 6O2 (6 molecules of water plus 6 molecules of carbon dioxide produce 1 molecule of sugar plus 6 molecules of oxygen)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070515191652AACw0Uo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trees
http://forestry.about.com/od/treephysiology/tp/tree_value.htm
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> Trees do not release oxygen. They sequester the carbon in CO2 molecules, leaving just O2 (oxygen).
Not quite. However, the majority of the Earth's oxygen comes from photosynthesis in plankton (phytoplankton) in the euphotic zone in the oceans rather than trees/plants/etc on land.
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Trees and plants do respirate.
It's like breathing.
Take in CO2, do some stuff, put out O2
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Re: Destroy the Forests [Re: Tri High]
#13978261 - 02/17/11 10:30 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tory's backed down! The forests live. I am very happy about this
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ya think it was cause of that assessment that said it would cost more money than it would save?
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I heard they were building a tunnel under Stonehenge.
Is this true?
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no, I know only little about Stonehenge but I know about transport/transit systems and that's not worth it.
Anyone else seen 10 o'clock live? I love that shit.
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