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andymc
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Cold species FC construction 1
#13718233 - 01/02/11 07:39 AM (14 years, 17 days ago) |
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Hey all, I want to solicit your ideas for a reasonably cheap, DIY cold-fruiting chamber for cold climate species such as Ps. semilanceata/liberty caps.
The temps should be able to get below 10C, so a good deal cooler than room temps.
A fairly obvious idea is to construct an elaborate thing out of a small fridge, and that may be the best solution in the end, but I'd like to pick everyone's brains about simpler possibilities.
An FC inside a cooler of ice? A PITA to replace the ice and supply lighting/FAE, but probably doable. One way or another, it will probably have to be insulated.
An ice pack or similar inside the FC? I saw a video of a guy constructing a water chiller using a container of antifreeze that had been 'frozen' in the freezer, then placed in a styrofoam cooler. He said that would last a few days for his purposes..
Thoughts?
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Re: Cold species FC construction [Re: andymc]
#13718241 - 01/02/11 07:45 AM (14 years, 17 days ago) |
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andymc said: Hey all, I want to solicit your ideas for a reasonably cheap, DIY cold-fruiting chamber for cold climate species such as Ps. semilanceata/liberty caps.
The temps should be able to get below 10C, so a good deal cooler than room temps.
A fairly obvious idea is to construct an elaborate thing out of a small fridge, and that may be the best solution in the end, but I'd like to pick everyone's brains about simpler possibilities.
An FC inside a cooler of ice? A PITA to replace the ice and supply lighting/FAE, but probably doable. One way or another, it will probably have to be insulated.
An ice pack or similar inside the FC? I saw a video of a guy constructing a water chiller using a container of antifreeze that had been 'frozen' in the freezer, then placed in a styrofoam cooler. He said that would last a few days for his purposes..
Thoughts?
Nothing wrong with a little bit of feedback. Aside from buying then building a walk-in refrigerator, like the ones used in food service. A thought that I'v been tossing around in my head is to just spawn grains to woodchips in trays. Placing them in a Shotgun terrarium outside once the trays become fully colonized during the proper weather for cold weathered fruiting species.
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andymc
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Re: Cold species FC construction [Re: hamloaf]
#13718246 - 01/02/11 07:53 AM (14 years, 17 days ago) |
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That works for people who have the appropriate climate, I guess. Around here you could put an FC outside for a couple of months in the Spring or Autumn and get approximately right day/night temps, but in a place like Canada I reckon it would be more challenging. The temperature swings are faster and more extreme. At any rate I guess if I was going to put an FC outdoors I'd probably just make an outdoor bed 
It would be good to be able to build something for year-round indoor cultivation.
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Re: Cold species FC construction [Re: andymc]
#13718250 - 01/02/11 07:56 AM (14 years, 17 days ago) |
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I've picked up a 40 bottles wine cooler with glass door and adjustable temp from 50F to 70F from craigslist for really cheap. Because of the glass door the lighting won't be a problem, and as for humidity and FAE, good ole' cracking the door open and misting manually (hopefully) will do it. It's something like this, maybe a tad smaller:
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Re: Cold species FC construction [Re: stonesun]
#13718255 - 01/02/11 08:04 AM (14 years, 17 days ago) |
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Oops, I just double checked it, and the adjustable temps are from 45F to 60F. This is how it looks like, and got it for $70
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Re: Cold species FC construction [Re: stonesun]
#13718467 - 01/02/11 09:34 AM (14 years, 17 days ago) |
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reasonably cheap, DIY cold-fruiting chamber for cold climate species such as Ps. semilanceata/liberty caps.
Unfortunately, the problems with growing libs and other species such as P cyanescens are not due to just the fruiting chamber temperature, but rather the complex relationship of the mycelium with the various soil microbes and fauna. These are hard to duplicate indoors without also bringing in molds, bugs, etc. RR
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Re: Cold species FC construction [Re: stonesun]
#13718470 - 01/02/11 09:35 AM (14 years, 17 days ago) |
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stonesun said: Oops, I just double checked it, and the adjustable temps are from 45F to 60F. This is how it looks like, and got it for $70

im thinking with a little bit of remodeling you would be able to mod a coolmist to be tubed through the radiator opening in the back of the fridge and come in through the bottom where the engine is housed. this would be enough RH and FAE to the inside of the fridge...
you could also make a chiller unit out of a cooler, using copper piping coiled inside and an air chiller to cool oil, then venting off the air would give you cold air..... Mr Mycomans Beer Cooler. Mr Mycoman has a good example of that.
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andymc
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stonesun said: I've picked up a 40 bottles wine cooler with glass door and adjustable temp from 50F to 70F from craigslist for really cheap. Because of the glass door the lighting won't be a problem, and as for humidity and FAE, good ole' cracking the door open and misting manually (hopefully) will do it.
I went window-shopping at the appliance store today and saw something similar but smaller (1/2 size) for a reasonable price..
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RogerRabbit said: Unfortunately, the problems with growing libs and other species such as P cyanescens are not due to just the fruiting chamber temperature, but rather the complex relationship of the mycelium with the various soil microbes and fauna. These are hard to duplicate indoors without also bringing in molds, bugs, etc.
Yes, that certainly seems true. Some people around here (workman, a couple of others) seem to have been able to pull it off with a limited amount of success. A few of us are trying with things like live grass on the casing layer of soil. A cool fruiting chamber is unlikely to be the magic bullet, but it does seem like something of a prerequisite 
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Harley.Hammerhead said: im thinking with a little bit of remodeling you would be able to mod a coolmist to be tubed through the radiator opening in the back of the fridge and come in through the bottom where the engine is housed. this would be enough RH and FAE to the inside of the fridge...
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Harley.Hammerhead said: you could also make a chiller unit out of a cooler, using copper piping coiled inside and an air chiller to cool oil, then venting off the air would give you cold air..... Mr Mycomans Beer Cooler. Mr Mycoman has a good example of that.
Yes, here's the video I mentioned earlier. Similar concept I guess:
I wonder whether you could make a kind of tub-in-tub inside of a styrofoam cooler, replacing the aquarium heater with a system like this to chill the water around the inner tub. You'd still need to mount lighting in a way that doesn't generate too much heat, and use something like the coolmist idea for FAE etc.
I suppose if one was feeling handy, you might be able to dismantle an old beer fridge and use the refrigeration unit directly with the FC somehow.
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Re: Cold species FC construction [Re: andymc]
#13719015 - 01/02/11 12:18 PM (14 years, 17 days ago) |
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Great stuff andy hopefully I can try stuff like this in the future. I love it when people take risks and get into the science of it.
I wonder if we could find out what microbes are exactly living in the mushroom's environment, and try to insert them artificially with the mushrooms. Grass and other fauna shouldn't be as hard.
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Re: Cold species FC construction [Re: stonesun]
#13719103 - 01/02/11 12:37 PM (14 years, 17 days ago) |
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stonesun said: I've picked up a 40 bottles wine cooler with glass door and adjustable temp from 50F to 70F from craigslist for really cheap. Because of the glass door the lighting won't be a problem, and as for humidity and FAE, good ole' cracking the door open and misting manually (hopefully) will do it. It's something like this, maybe a tad smaller:

You are once again blazing the trail for me SS.
This sort of "glass doored bar fridge" is on my wishlist.
Let us know how it does with cold lovers.
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JD
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Re: Cold species FC construction [Re: Javadog]
#13719182 - 01/02/11 12:53 PM (14 years, 17 days ago) |
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@JD Wine chiller.
Start small to prove the concept, maybe one of those electric coolers they sell at Walmart (~$50-$100). The kind that heat or cool and plug into a wall socket or a cigarette lighter, maybe even drill holes and turn it into a mini cooled SGFC?
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Re: Cold species FC construction [Re: Fungicide] 1
#13719478 - 01/02/11 02:02 PM (14 years, 17 days ago) |
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the only thin you can do is buy a mini fridge and put a whole in it
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andymc
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Re: Cold species FC construction [Re: stonesun]
#16205691 - 05/09/12 04:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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stonesun said: I've picked up a 40 bottles wine cooler with glass door and adjustable temp from 50F to 70F from craigslist for really cheap. Because of the glass door the lighting won't be a problem, and as for humidity and FAE, good ole' cracking the door open and misting manually (hopefully) will do it. It's something like this, maybe a tad smaller:
Hey Stonesun,
Sorry to bump an old thread, but I'm revisiting the question in this thread https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16205383 and wondered how this cooler unit has worked out for you. Have you successfully used it as a fruiting chamber?
Andy
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