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Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? * 1
    #13717304 - 01/01/11 11:06 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

Introduction:

This is a very easy technique to get dry, stalling
seed jars to finish colonizing. If the jars aren't
prepared perfectly, sometimes they will dry out and
stall. I've only heard of contams and other problems
causing stalling, but with a little experimentation
I've figured out that a low moisture content can cause
this, too.

Procedure:

1. Boil some water in a pot for 15-20 minutes.
2. Turn flame / burner off and let the water sit for 5 minutes or so.
3. Suck up the water into a sterile syringe.
4. Allow syringe to cool overnight.
5. Flame sterilize needle. Inject dry half pints with
~2.5cc water. For quarts, use about 10cc.
6. Place micro pore tape over injection site.
7. Shake jar vigorously, it doesn't matter if you've
already shaken the jar to distribute colonized grains.

And that's it! Jars will bounce back within 2 days.
The rate of colonization will speed up significantly.
I figured this would help a few people out while getting
the hang of correctly preparing WBS, GL. 

Pictures:

Jars that had dried out after the shake, due to skipping
the simmering step of WBS prep:



This is right before injection, an "after" pic will be
provided within the next few days, they are doing really well.
That is a 60cc syringe in the picture.

Jars that had dried out rather quickly, due to too little
simmering time (~15 minutes, very low heat):



After injecting 2cc water; I say 2.5cc above because 2cc
was barely enough to have it finish:


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: m00nshine]
    #13717322 - 01/01/11 11:11 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

I noticed this in your growlog. Nice to see a tek putting it in the open.

Will try if I have a stalled jar. How long do you usually wait before you consider a jar to be stalled if using WBS inoculated with multispore. What about liquid culture?


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: runMD]
    #13717341 - 01/01/11 11:15 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

If I don't see any growth in 4 - 7 days at optimal
temps, I consider it stalled. You will be able to tell
that the seed is dry, also.

If you shake and notice that it has stopped colonizing,
and that there's a big chunk of myc in the middle of the
jar, it has stalled. Especially if the chunk is pretty
solid with no noticeable colonization of nearby loose
grains.

I don't use LC :justdontknow:


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: m00nshine]
    #13717348 - 01/01/11 11:16 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

Not to go on a thread tangent...

Do you use G2G, Agar, or do you always go multispore?


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: runMD]
    #13717352 - 01/01/11 11:18 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

MS all day, all the time. I don't have the time
or ability to go any further at this stage...
I do all my work in secret and have devised an ideal
way of stealth growing for myself.


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: m00nshine]
    #13717362 - 01/01/11 11:19 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

Thanks M00N. Yea,I read your whole growlog and noticed they covert ops you had going. The twist about almost losing some jars when a roommate found them...I'm  sorry, but I lol'd.


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: runMD]
    #13717366 - 01/01/11 11:21 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

haha, it's cool, that was at SWIM's house, LOL

my stuff has never been seen by my roomies :wink:


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: m00nshine]
    #13717372 - 01/01/11 11:22 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

Do you get dry jars very often?
I wonder if your grain prep needs some fine tuning, maybe soak longer?

I've had bad luckj adding water to jars, I'm glad it works for somebody.
I've had better luck with dry jars by using them for g2g or just spawning the colonized parts to cioir.
But that's pretty sketchy.


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: Doc_T]
    #13717386 - 01/01/11 11:27 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

No, it only happens when I don't follow my current
working method exactly. Basically when I try to cut corners:
Not simmering, simmering for less time than usual, allowing
the seed to dry for too long (or using paper towels to
aid in drying). The procedure in my bulk growing guide
is pretty spot on for good results. There's a few things
that need to be updated, but the core technique has given
me great success. :thumbup:

I was going to spawn the colonized parts, but I wanted
more available spawn.


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: m00nshine]
    #13718040 - 01/02/11 04:39 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

How well do you think this would work with rye? My rye seems to have dried out (used RR's grain tek from the vid) it's been 3 weeks and they've been slowing down and dried out. GE is part of it, but due to slow growth... yeah... ideas?


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #13718301 - 01/02/11 08:35 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

I've never used rye, but if I did, I'd use the same
amount of water :shrug:


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: m00nshine]
    #13736390 - 01/05/11 05:08 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

See what can happen in 3 days? :wink:



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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: m00nshine]
    #13736498 - 01/05/11 05:26 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

Wow.

RR says to only boil/simmer for only 10 minutes after the soak. Is that because Rye and WBS are different in simmering time?

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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: literatestylish]
    #13736610 - 01/05/11 05:43 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

I don't know much about rye prep...

I simmer my WBS for about 40 minutes on medium heat.


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: literatestylish]
    #13737553 - 01/05/11 08:19 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

literatestylish said:
Wow.

RR says to only boil/simmer for only 10 minutes after the soak. Is that because Rye and WBS are different in simmering time?



The birdseed mix has smaller grains that'll easily become burst if you let the seed over-boil.
It's been recommended in the past that birdseed be simmered because of the grain size of birdseed over rye.

For birdseed, RR's tek for rye preparation will safely prepare birdseed for loading into jars or bags.
Be sure to stay right on top of the boil step.

Have a meat thermometer handy.
Once the water reaches 200F, start a timer if you have to for ten minutes.
It's critical that you not let the birdseed boil for longer than ten minutes.
Boiling the birdseed for longer than 10 minutes when using RR's rye prep increases your chance for busted kernels greatly.

Following RR's rye prep for birdseed, allot for a longer time for your birdseed to become properly hydrated over rye before loading into jars or bags.


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: hamloaf]
    #13737736 - 01/05/11 08:44 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

the water has kinda helped already, half the jars it wasn't enough water... I'll probably use 20cc per qt of rye in 4 more days to keep the myc going


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~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #13737906 - 01/05/11 09:09 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

Are you sure it wasn't enough? I'd say let it go for
longer, perhaps a week, before injecting again, if at all.
You don't want to keep moving your jars around. I've
known people who have handled jars frequently and they
would contaminate. I'm sure other factors like the environment
were involved.. It could have been a dirty place :shrug:
but I'm fairly certain most of it was due to handling too often.


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: m00nshine]
    #13738228 - 01/05/11 10:01 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

Im still new to the hobby but all I have delt with is WBS and G2G transfers... I still have yet to encounter contamination *fingers crossed* When I prepared the WBS for the first time I read to simmer for 1 hour after the 24 hr rinse/soak period but when I got to the 30 min mark I took a grain and it wasn't easy to squish between my fingers and it wasn't hard either. I turned the stove off and havent looked back ever since! goin on my 3rd transfer and so far Im laughin!!


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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: PuffinChronic]
    #13741135 - 01/06/11 01:06 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Yeah, I was doing the 10 min simmer. I'll be going to 30 mins from now on... I'll wait until monday before I mess with them then... but I'm 90% sure I'l be adding 10 more CCs of water for 80% of the jars right now... they still just look way too dry


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I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~

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Re: Dry, Stalled WBS Jars? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #13790237 - 01/15/11 08:42 AM (14 years, 4 days ago)

Hey Moonshine thanks for the info! I just did my first four jars of WBS and got the water content wrong. They had been stalled out at about 15% for like 2 weeks! I added 10cc's of water and in three days they are around 90%!!! THANKS DUDE!!! i thought i was fucked.

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