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Spiritual Rituals
    #13712641 - 12/31/10 06:25 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

Do you have any? If so, why? How do they serve you? :ghandi:


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: Poid] * 1
    #13712665 - 12/31/10 06:31 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

I don't have any.

I jsut do thangs with the flow of thangs.


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: I AM SWIM] * 1
    #13713018 - 12/31/10 08:24 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

Pooping is a form of meditation for me.


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #13714046 - 01/01/11 06:47 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

japa (mantra), dhyana (concentration), asana (poses)


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: Poid]
    #13714211 - 01/01/11 08:54 AM (13 years, 29 days ago)

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Do you have any? If so, why? How do they serve you? :ghandi:




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    He stated once again that the old seers had concentrated exclusively on developing thousands of the most complex techniques of sorcery.
He added that what they never realized was that their intricate devices, as bizarre as they were, had no other value than
being the means to break the fixation of their assemblage points and make them move.

I asked him to explain what he had said.
"I've mentioned to you that sorcery is something like entering a dead-end street," he replied.
"What I meant was that sorcery practices have no intrinsic value. Their worth is indirect, for their real function is to make the assemblage point shift by
making the first attention release its control on that point.
"The new seers realized the true role those sorcery practices played and decided to go directly into the process of making their assemblage points shift,
avoiding all the other nonsense of rituals and incantations. Yet rituals and incantations are indeed necessary at one time in every warrior's life.
I personally have initiated you in all kinds of sorcery procedures, but only for purposes of luring your first attention away from the power of self-absorption,
which keeps your assemblage point rigidly fixed."




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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: retrospect]
    #13719538 - 01/02/11 02:11 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

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japa (mantra)...


Why do you, uh, do mantras?


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...dhyana (concentration)...


So you concentrate ritualistically? Why can't you just concentrate normally instead?


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asana (poses)


What kind of poses? Why do you do them? :ghandi:


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: Poid]
    #13720151 - 01/02/11 04:08 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

also pranayama (breathing)

i feel it keeps and also gives health, in a mental a physical and spiritual sense, i also enjoy the connection to spiritual that i can develop

i just do it in the sense that i generally have a set regime, if you will, to follow on a daily basis

here you can find a list of 12 basic asanas http://www.sivananda.org/teachings/asana/headstand.html


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: retrospect]
    #13720241 - 01/02/11 04:21 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

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retrospect said:
also pranayama (breathing)


Why do you breathe ritualistically, why don't you just breathe normally?


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i feel it keeps and also gives health, in a mental a physical and spiritual sense, i also enjoy the connection to spiritual that i can develop


So basically, it puts you in a good head space? That's cool and all, I just personally think it's weird when people need to follow rituals in order to be satisfied with life.


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i just do it in the sense that i generally have a set regime, if you will, to follow on a daily basis


And what happens to you if you don't follow that set regime?


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: Poid] * 1
    #13721242 - 01/02/11 06:46 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

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That's cool and all, I just personally think it's weird when people need to follow rituals in order to be satisfied with life.





it is, however not all rituals are quite like that. Rituals are either morbid because everything has to be a certain way so that the gods don't get offended, or they are beneficial, and simply serve the purpose of directing attention towards certain things



consider a peyote ritual...but not even a traditional one. Let's call it the bizzle's peyote ritual. It consists of being sure that the participants, while completely drugz0red, will catch a good view of the sunset in the grand canyon, especially when the twilight is making everything glow. I might also include some meditative music at this time.

now, obviously there is no particular set way to trip, or take peyote. However, my ritual setup will ensure that at least for a good moment, the participants' attention will be directed towards the majesty of the grand canyon twilight. Setting up that moment could potentially induce a profound experience for the participants that they otherwise might not have had. It could even make the difference between "that's some crazy stuff, i felt nauseated and fearful and didnt like it" and "wow, I never knew how awesome this world is"

kinda like how making it a ritual to clean up your house before an intense trip ensures that your attention is on something other than your own mess all around you. It might be good to have that messy trip but the cleaning ritual still serves a non-crazy, non-morbid purpose


perhaps most importantly is how the particular person perceives the ritual. In my opinion, anything overly-ritual is likely to create confusion and delusion. But if your ritual is less of an incantation, and more of a good habit, or simply a setup to a cool experience, such as an annual birthday bonfire ritual, or annual go-to-the-park-on-420 ritual, then there is no harm in that and its just a way to induce experiences (such as spending the evening around 100 people that you like for the purpose of celebration)


breathing "rituals" are probably more like practices than rituals. There is definitely something valuable about focusing on your breathing, and thereby learning to be more in tune with it. Why not breathe normally? ever been pissed off? had a panic attack? paying special attention to breathing can help to minimize anger and panic, slowing your breathing at those times can really help to balance you out. In my opinion the only purpose for ritualistic breathing practice would simply be that practice makes perfect. So in that sense its definitely not the incantation type of "ritual."

and if it is, well then I hope that whoever is doing it comes to realize that aside from the actual breathing and posture, any other aspect of the "ritual" is unimportant and interchangeable with anything else that helps you to focus on the breathing and posture.  In other words, the breathing is not hocus pocus, and neither would be a chant, unless you thought you were breaking rules by chanting the wrong thing, or that there were any rules to break other than actual physical energy. But don't find fault with a daily "regimen" if it is simply to be in the good habit of having good habits. Classical musicians ritualistically follow certain practice regimens just to keep re-enforce good habits; the good habits that break the bad habits


maybe i said more than I needed to. Maybe poid understands all this already and is just trying to give any morbid ritual types a hard time, but if not I hope this helps a little.


there are some traditional peyote rituals that follow the ritual mainly because it is the established tradition, and imo that is limiting, and probably creates at least some sort of "voodoo". However, most peyote rituals follow ritual practices just to have everything you would need for the experience already ready to go. They've done it enough times to know what you would be glad to have already set up once it really begins



mp3 player hooked up and ready to go, fruit and juice in the fridge, no cleaning or responsibilities required for at least 8 hours or so, and weed already broken up because I hate fuckin with it when im tripping really hard...
that's one of my rituals. It just minimizes the stress and makes everything easier



my favorite ritual though is taking psychedelics on holidays and events like festivals etc. Its not a rule that I have to follow, but my spiritual side tells me I should do it almost as if it were a rule I have to follow, but that's just my own personal thang. I don't need to follow this ritual to be satisfied with life, but it definitely sets up some interesting experiences.

and some rituals (like the annual bonfire i mentioned) just set up a good bonding experience for you and your friends. It's kinda like finding a good excuse to get together and do something... and in my opinion that is quite a spiritual thang, especially amongst really good friends.


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: Poid]
    #13721334 - 01/02/11 07:00 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

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also pranayama (breathing)


Why do you breathe ritualistically, why don't you just breathe normally?






Also:

American's fast paced society usually promotes shallow breathing, and so what is 'normal' breathing to American society can be detrimental to the psyche. Slower/Deeper breathes are great ways to control anger issues and anxiety.

Breathes good man.


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #13721344 - 01/02/11 07:02 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

Breathes good man



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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: Poid]
    #13721586 - 01/02/11 07:43 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

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Do you have any? If so, why? How do they serve you? :ghandi:




I sleep naked. If I don't I feel "off"


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: retrospect]
    #13723279 - 01/03/11 02:16 AM (13 years, 28 days ago)

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japa (mantra), dhyana (concentration), asana (poses)





it is amazing how poerful yoga asana is ,
many minutes of simple shoulderstand, such transcendental experience ... choosing which asana to use to stimulate which chakra for different experience, very wonderful system


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: Kickle]
    #13724002 - 01/03/11 09:36 AM (13 years, 27 days ago)

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also pranayama (breathing)


Why do you breathe ritualistically, why don't you just breathe normally?






Also:

American's fast paced society usually promotes shallow breathing, and so what is 'normal' breathing to American society can be detrimental to the psyche. Slower/Deeper breathes are great ways to control anger issues and anxiety.

Breathes good man.


You can breathe-good-man without doing it ritualistically. :shrug:



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Do you have any? If so, why? How do they serve you? :ghandi:




I sleep naked. If I don't I feel "off"


How is that a ritual? :undecided:

PS-I sleep naked, too, sometimes.


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: the bizzle]
    #13724016 - 01/03/11 09:40 AM (13 years, 27 days ago)

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That's cool and all, I just personally think it's weird when people need to follow rituals in order to be satisfied with life.





it is, however not all rituals are quite like that. Rituals are either morbid because everything has to be a certain way so that the gods don't get offended, or they are beneficial, and simply serve the purpose of directing attention towards certain things



consider a peyote ritual...but not even a traditional one. Let's call it the bizzle's peyote ritual. It consists of being sure that the participants, while completely drugz0red, will catch a good view of the sunset in the grand canyon, especially when the twilight is making everything glow. I might also include some meditative music at this time.

now, obviously there is no particular set way to trip, or take peyote. However, my ritual setup will ensure that at least for a good moment, the participants' attention will be directed towards the majesty of the grand canyon twilight. Setting up that moment could potentially induce a profound experience for the participants that they otherwise might not have had. It could even make the difference between "that's some crazy stuff, i felt nauseated and fearful and didnt like it" and "wow, I never knew how awesome this world is"

kinda like how making it a ritual to clean up your house before an intense trip ensures that your attention is on something other than your own mess all around you. It might be good to have that messy trip but the cleaning ritual still serves a non-crazy, non-morbid purpose


I don't consider your preparations for your peyote trips ritualistic, you're just trying your best to avoid a bad trip. :shrug:

I don't consider cleaning up the house a ritual, either--people perform rituals because they believe doing so will give them some sort of mystical/magical power.


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perhaps most importantly is how the particular person perceives the ritual. In my opinion, anything overly-ritual is likely to create confusion and delusion. But if your ritual is less of an incantation, and more of a good habit, or simply a setup to a cool experience, such as an annual birthday bonfire ritual, or annual go-to-the-park-on-420 ritual, then there is no harm in that and its just a way to induce experiences (such as spending the evening around 100 people that you like for the purpose of celebration)


breathing "rituals" are probably more like practices than rituals. There is definitely something valuable about focusing on your breathing, and thereby learning to be more in tune with it. Why not breathe normally? ever been pissed off? had a panic attack? paying special attention to breathing can help to minimize anger and panic, slowing your breathing at those times can really help to balance you out. In my opinion the only purpose for ritualistic breathing practice would simply be that practice makes perfect. So in that sense its definitely not the incantation type of "ritual."


I agree, I don't really consider breathing practices to be rituals, unless a person thinks they will gain some magical powers by performing them.


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: Poid]
    #13724028 - 01/03/11 09:44 AM (13 years, 27 days ago)

If a ritual is seen to be a cycle of energy unfolding, happening by itself, with no 'practicer' present, isit still a ritual?


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: Chronic7]
    #13724036 - 01/03/11 09:46 AM (13 years, 27 days ago)

The unfolding energy itself it the practicer, regardless of whether or not it is convinced that it is an "I".


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: Poid]
    #13724047 - 01/03/11 09:50 AM (13 years, 27 days ago)

When a spiritual practitioner reaches a certain maturity, would they not lose the 'I' that practices? :strokebeard2:


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: Chronic7]
    #13724055 - 01/03/11 09:52 AM (13 years, 27 days ago)

Depends on a lot of factors, but even if they did, their body would be that which practices.


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    #13724078 - 01/03/11 09:58 AM (13 years, 27 days ago)

If there was no idea of practicing in the mind*, then would that mind lay claim to being a practicer ?

*I think for this to happen every moment would have to be treated super 'new' (or sacred) & seen as something one can not really prepare for in any way as its the constant instant, so a total let go & relinquishment of the idea of free will or control of any sort

Right now the word practice is losing meaning for me, you know when you say a word a lot in a short space of time & then it suddenly loses meaning & becomes a hilarious object of bemusement...


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: Chronic7]
    #13724088 - 01/03/11 10:00 AM (13 years, 27 days ago)

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If there was no idea of practicing in the mind, then i don't they would lay claim to being a practicer


But their bodies would still be performing the practice.


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Right now the word practice is losing meaning for me, you know when you say a word a lot in a short space of time & then it suddenly loses meaning & becomes a hilarious object of bemusement...


I love when that happens. :pipesmoke:


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: Poid]
    #13724506 - 01/03/11 11:52 AM (13 years, 27 days ago)

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I sleep naked. If I don't I feel "off"


How is that a ritual? :undecided:

PS-I sleep naked, too, sometimes.




I don't know what defines a ritual, but I figured the fact that since I do this every single night and that the absence of it's completion feels strange and off-putting to me it is more a ritual than most things I do. Like an athlete who has a lucky pair of socks that they ritualistically wear going into all big games, I have a ritualistic way of preparing before a big sleep.


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Re: Spiritual Rituals [Re: Kickle]
    #13725446 - 01/03/11 03:41 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

my ritual for goin' to sleep is smokin' a copious amount of weed until i pass out, then wake up and smoke a ton of weed for my wake and bake ceremony, and basically smoke throughout the day and do thangs. :feelshighman:


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