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Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale)
#13708766 - 12/30/10 10:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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So Ive recently acquired about 10 or so small/medium sized cyans that are almost dry and i'm wondering approximately how many would be good for say maybe a level 2 or 3 trip? I weight around 135 and this will be my first time doing shrooms.
Any help is appreciated as always!
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Belac]
#13708777 - 12/30/10 10:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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some of them would be a good dose.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Belac]
#13708792 - 12/30/10 10:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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These threads are funny 
Scales are a must!
I'd say 10 mushies will do the job.
Depends how you trip though. If you're doing it alone at night then you would need less than if you were tripping with friends for example.
You will soon discover what works for you.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: tha_doctor]
#13708809 - 12/30/10 10:13 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just remembered that this is your first time tripping.
To play it safe i'd have no more than 10. Depends on size and weight...
It would help a lot if you posted pics
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: tha_doctor]
#13708813 - 12/30/10 10:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah ill try and get a pic up in a bit. Are you sure about 10? there more potent than cubes.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Belac]
#13708843 - 12/30/10 10:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Belac said: Are you sure about 10? there more potent than cubes.
I may be wrong, but i'm pretty sure i've heard cubes are stronger.
I'm sure a noble Shroomte will be quick to clarify that.
Just so you know, most mushie trips i have around 5g of Psilocybe subaeruginosa. These are much stronger than cubes
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: tha_doctor]
#13708865 - 12/30/10 10:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are multiple documents online that say Cyanescens are stronger, inculding shroomerys calculator. I saw a graph somewhere, let me find it.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: tha_doctor]
#13708868 - 12/30/10 10:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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hmm, I've never tried cyans, but I've read on here that they are more potent than cubes. Cubes are plenty strong enough for me though!!
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Belac]
#13708874 - 12/30/10 10:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Belac]
#13708893 - 12/30/10 10:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well there ya go. You were right
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: tha_doctor]
#13708908 - 12/30/10 10:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess ill just eat like 5 or make tea out if it or something.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Belac]
#13708961 - 12/30/10 10:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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5 would be a good place to start for a beginner. It will give you a taste of what it's like and if you enjoy that you can always up the dosage next time. Best to test the waters before jumping in when dealing with mushrooms.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: karode13]
#13709243 - 12/30/10 11:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Agreed, here I go.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: karode13]
#13709471 - 12/31/10 12:20 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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karode13 said: 5 would be a good place to start for a beginner. It will give you a taste of what it's like and if you enjoy that you can always up the dosage next time.
Very good point K-13 
Not everyone enjoys the ego-dissolving effects of psychedelics. Some would rather cling to their egos then enjoy ecstacy and states of conciousness beyond their wildest imaginagion...
You really gotta know what you're in for before you try psychedelics. That's why K-13's idea of a low dose is the way to go. Psychedelics are completely different to your regular drugs (stimulants and depressants). They must be respected.
Belac, i highly recomend you read The Psychedelic Experience by Tim Leary and others. It's very small yet explains everything you need to know about tripping. It's based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead - don't let the name put you off! It's good stuff.
Anything by Terence McKenna is also very insightful. He has many great Youtube videos, but out of all his works, his book Food of the Gods is by far my favourite.
Good luck traveling the vast oceans of the mind brother. Don't let anything scare you. It's all in your mind. Don't fear the psychedelic state, use it to your advantage....
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: tha_doctor]
#13711326 - 12/31/10 12:38 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Well I dosed 4 of my largest mushrooms last night and that was way to much haha. A level one trip turned into a level 4 trip very quickly and the only thing I could do is lay down on my bed in shear terror for what seemed like hours. At one point I forgot what it was like to have a normal mental state and that scared me so much. But after a few hours of that and some vomiting I finally got back to a somewhat sober mentality. I learned to appreciate what I have in life and I value my sanity so much more.
I hope to come back to mushrooms in a few months to maybe have a better experience.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Belac]
#13711407 - 12/31/10 01:10 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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haha sory man. i made the same mistale my first time too. seems all too funny now. im actually having an aweaome trip right now.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Belac]
#13711445 - 12/31/10 01:22 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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glad youre okay man bad trips are traumatizing but when it goes well, it goes WELL lol
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Belac]
#13711464 - 12/31/10 01:25 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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just start eating them and you'll probaly know when you've had enough. i usualy start feeling the onset almost instantly after the first couple. but then agin i take syrian rue so that alone is pretty trippy
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: CDClock]
#13711470 - 12/31/10 01:26 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Next time ill probably just take 3, lol.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Belac]
#13711511 - 12/31/10 01:34 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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i think that graph is wrong. ps. cyans ive had are at least twice as potent as cubes. maybe its talking about pan. cyans which ive never had
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Belac]
#13712716 - 12/31/10 06:45 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Belac said: A level one trip turned into a level 4 trip very quickly and the only thing I could do is lay down on my bed in shear terror for what seemed like hours. At one point I forgot what it was like to have a normal mental state and that scared me so much. But after a few hours of that and some vomiting I finally got back to a somewhat sober mentality.
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tha_doctor said: Good luck traveling the vast oceans of the mind brother. Don't let anything scare you. It's all in your mind. Don't fear the psychedelic state, use it to your advantage....
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tha_doctor said: Belac, i highly recomend you read The Psychedelic Experience by Tim Leary and others. It's very small yet explains everything you need to know about tripping. It's based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead - don't let the name put you off! It's good stuff.
Anything by Terence McKenna is also very insightful. He has many great Youtube videos, but out of all his works, his book Food of the Gods is by far my favourite.
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Belac said: I learned to appreciate what I have in life and I value my sanity so much more.
That's geat man You always gotta get something out of your trip. Otherwise it's like spending the day at Disney World and not going on any rides
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: tha_doctor]
#13712753 - 12/31/10 07:01 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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yeeeeeeaaaah..... thats why scales exist...
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Patlal]
#13712773 - 12/31/10 07:06 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Maybe ill buy a scale if im getting a lot of them, although the seasons almost over.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Patlal]
#13712783 - 12/31/10 07:11 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Patlal said: yeeeeeeaaaah..... thats why scales exist...
  
Terence McKenna: "weight the dose. You must weight the dose"
Check out the video in the link Belac. You'd really benefit. Be sure to watch all 4 or 5 parts.
Scales can be bought dirt cheap from eBay. I bought a set for about $16 all up and they measure to 3 decimal places...
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Belac]
#13712786 - 12/31/10 07:13 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Belac said: Maybe ill buy a scale if im getting a lot of them, although the seasons almost over.
As long as you buy them before your next trip we won't come to your house and forcably stop you from eating the mushrooms.
I'm only kidding, relax!
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: Belac]
#13712823 - 12/31/10 07:26 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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The cyans I find east coast Australia go about 3 to 5 to the gram (dried). That is for complete stem and cap specimens depending of course on size. If they are reasonably mature then 4 to the gram would be a good guide.
I agree with another poster here that the graph does not correlate to my experience with cyans compared to cubes. 1 gram cyan seems to have the same effect as 2 grams cubes.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: tha_doctor]
#13712831 - 12/31/10 07:30 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Well there ya go. You were right 
Doesn't psilocybin get converted to psilocin when eaten though? So why aren't the levels the same?
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: farmer88]
#13712834 - 12/31/10 07:30 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Where abouts along the coast to you go huntnig man? Also, what time of the year?
Only psilocybin mushies i've found have been subs. I'm really keen on findnig some cyans now
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tha_doctor said:
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Well there ya go. You were right 
Doesn't psilocybin get converted to psilocin when eaten though? So why aren't the levels the same?
Psilocybin sure does get converted into psilocin.
Your question sounds like one that only a scientist would be able to answer. However, i wouldn't be surprised if someone on Shroomery knew the answer
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: tha_doctor]
#13712855 - 12/31/10 07:34 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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farmer88 said: The cyans I find east coast Australia go about 3 to 5 to the gram (dried). That is for complete stem and cap specimens depending of course on size. If they are reasonably mature then 4 to the gram would be a good guide.
I agree with another poster here that the graph does not correlate to my experience with cyans compared to cubes. 1 gram cyan seems to have the same effect as 2 grams cubes.

That graph is for Psilocybe cyanescens and not Panaeolus cyanescens
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tha_doctor said: Where abouts along the coast to you go huntnig man? Also, what time of the year?
Only psilocybin mushies i've found have been subs. I'm really keen on findnig some cyans now 
You wont find Panaeolus cyanescens in Victoria, you need to go further North to find the tropical dung-lovers.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: karode13]
#13712870 - 12/31/10 07:39 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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I specified some as the dosage and OP ate too much. stick with only some next time and you will be fine.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: karode13]
#13712892 - 12/31/10 07:45 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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karode13 said:
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farmer88 said: The cyans I find east coast Australia go about 3 to 5 to the gram (dried). That is for complete stem and cap specimens depending of course on size. If they are reasonably mature then 4 to the gram would be a good guide.
I agree with another poster here that the graph does not correlate to my experience with cyans compared to cubes. 1 gram cyan seems to have the same effect as 2 grams cubes.

That graph is for Psilocybe cyanescens and not Panaeolus cyanescens
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tha_doctor said: Where abouts along the coast to you go huntnig man? Also, what time of the year?
Only psilocybin mushies i've found have been subs. I'm really keen on findnig some cyans now 
You wont find Panaeolus cyanescens in Victoria, you need to go further North to find the tropical dung-lovers.
K-13 to the rescue once again!
Thanks man
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: tha_doctor]
#13712902 - 12/31/10 07:50 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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I get my P. cyanescens in the bay area.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens dosing (no scale) [Re: tha_doctor]
#13712931 - 12/31/10 07:57 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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tha_doctor said:
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tha_doctor said:
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Well there ya go. You were right 
Doesn't psilocybin get converted to psilocin when eaten though? So why aren't the levels the same?
Psilocybin sure does get converted into psilocin.
Your question sounds like one that only a scientist would be able to answer. However, i wouldn't be surprised if someone on Shroomery knew the answer
Psilocybin gets covertered to psilocyn in the liver anywhere from 40 to 60%.
The rest is the left over in the chemical reaction between the liver and psilocybin
It is diffenrent in everoby due to different nutrition and shit
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