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Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else?
#13667699 - 12/21/10 08:00 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had a frightening trip once where I experienced oneness in a very deep way. Time disappeared as if I was aware that it was an illusion anyways. Space and matter existed only as a thought and I true ly felt like I was experiencing the perspective of an all knowing and all being existence. And what I ended up feeling was complete lonely ness.
It felt like I was in a room alone for all eternity. I had this knowledge, legitimate or not, that I was the only thing. There were no other thing. There was nothing but me. I wanted to just stop existing but I couldn't.
I have to say this was one of the most frightening experiences I have ever had. Has anyone ever had this feeling?
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: audiophoenix]
#13667737 - 12/21/10 08:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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"It is a sort of sinister warning that there is some person or some thing in the Universe outside oneself: and the realization of that is as frankly frightening as the other realization, that one is eternally alone, is horrible." --Aleister Crowley
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: audiophoenix]
#13667743 - 12/21/10 08:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think you are describing what St. John of the Cross calls the "dark night of the soul."
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: audiophoenix]
#13668017 - 12/21/10 09:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes. Euro gathering 2005 ... then I mentally connected to the shroomery and I laughed. It's all a damn joke 
"There is no guru, no master, no leader. You are guru and the master and the leader ... you are everything !!!"
Krishnamurti

Damn good memories ...
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: audiophoenix]
#13668107 - 12/21/10 09:29 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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audiophoenix said: It felt like I was in a room alone for all eternity. I had this knowledge, legitimate or not, that I was the only thing. There were no other thing. There was nothing but me. I wanted to just stop existing but I couldn't.
I have to say this was one of the most frightening experiences I have ever had. Has anyone ever had this feeling?
I have actually had almost this exact experience. It prompted me to make this post/poll.
Scary shit man. I had forgotten about it until you mentioned it. Unfortunately/fortunately that was just a taste of what that night was all about.
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: Cups]
#13668327 - 12/21/10 10:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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you can't be alone if there is no such thing as another. You are nothing and everything at the same time.
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: Mr Fantasy]
#13668687 - 12/21/10 11:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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^^^Well for me it wasn't the loneliness that was the real issue. It was the sheer magnitude of experiencing infinity that blew me away. It's not really something you could ever describe..but I'll try.
Imagine wandering a never ending expanse with every fiber of your being at level 10+. For ever and ever and ever and ever. Amen
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: Mr Fantasy]
#13668725 - 12/21/10 11:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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What you experienced was not truly oneness, but rather, put frankly, HELL.
When you experience oneness for real, you are overcome with a sense of awe and wonder, fear and love realizing IT IS so I AM. You experience transcendental knowledge, not just knowing but experiencing you are both a part of IT ALL and THE ALL is you at the same time. You see yourself as part of the ALL and the ALL in you.
After this trip you will probably have an existential crisis, quit using, and change your life as needed according to the will of God. What is the will of God?
Manifest Peace, Love, Understanding, and Respect, to God, Your fellow human beings, and the Earth itself. Now that you know of My existence, that which is within you, manifest this into this world. May there be peace with me. May there be peace with your spirit. May there be peace within your heart, May there be peace to all that you know, and all you do not. May there be peace on this Earth.
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#13668781 - 12/21/10 11:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I didn't say this was a unity experience. 
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When you experience oneness for real, you are overcome with a sense of awe and wonder, fear and love realizing IT IS so I AM. You experience transcendental knowledge, not just knowing but experiencing you are both a part of IT ALL and THE ALL is you at the same time. You see yourself as part of the ALL and the ALL in you.
That's fairly accurate.
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After this trip you will probably have an existential crisis....and change your life as needed
That's right on. A bit obvious maybe.
Altogether- Not bad!
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: audiophoenix]
#13668829 - 12/21/10 11:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Once when I was very young I was laying in my bed at night and i had this realization. On the natch, no drugs. It was terrifying. About 15 years later I had a psychedelic experience and had the same terrifying realization. It blew my mind.
I have a good feeling that when the final curtain drops, it all goes to black. I have no interest in being I AM or being the one or going on for more than a few more decades. The world and universe will go on without me
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: thecazz723]
#13668851 - 12/21/10 11:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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there is no suffering in the true oneness
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: retrospect]
#13668899 - 12/22/10 12:07 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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retrospect said: there is no suffering in the true oneness
I guess my question is, how do you know that? My experience seems to point in a different direction.
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: thecazz723]
#13668903 - 12/22/10 12:07 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is infinitely lonely and infinitely fulfilling to me at the same time.
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: thecazz723]
#13668906 - 12/22/10 12:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's just your ego screaming.
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: retrospect]
#13668919 - 12/22/10 12:12 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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The problem is you've conceived of there being a self to this one being. There can't be, if it is truly everything, as there must be the 'other' on the 'self and other' polarity. You can't even be aware that you are one and everything, you can merely be it, because it is the awareness itself, too.
It's not a fact of consciousness or of the universe or an intellectual understanding or anything. It's simply your own being, and that beingness is all there is, everything that looks like 'something else' like a wall or a thought is merely an illusion created amidst this being's game. It's all illusion except for It. You have no choice but to be It, even now, you are It, your attention however may be elsewhere. And it's not a bad thing since It is all there is to 'you' anyway. How can you be dissatisfied with your own being if it is all there is?
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: audiophoenix]
#13693274 - 12/27/10 09:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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audiophoenix said: I had a frightening trip once where I experienced oneness in a very deep way. Time disappeared as if I was aware that it was an illusion anyways. Space and matter existed only as a thought and I true ly felt like I was experiencing the perspective of an all knowing and all being existence. And what I ended up feeling was complete lonely ness.
It felt like I was in a room alone for all eternity. I had this knowledge, legitimate or not, that I was the only thing. There were no other thing. There was nothing but me. I wanted to just stop existing but I couldn't.
I have to say this was one of the most frightening experiences I have ever had. Has anyone ever had this feeling?
I know exactly what your talking about.
I just recently had a similar experience on DMT not too long ago.
It was terrible, but I'm glad to be back into the illusion I call home for now.
" I'm lonely but everyone is lonely so at least I know I'm not alone " - E
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#13693570 - 12/27/10 09:59 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eywa_devotee said: What you experienced was not truly oneness, but rather, put frankly, HELL.
When you experience oneness for real, you are overcome with a sense of awe and wonder, fear and love realizing IT IS so I AM. You experience transcendental knowledge, not just knowing but experiencing you are both a part of IT ALL and THE ALL is you at the same time. You see yourself as part of the ALL and the ALL in you.
After this trip you will probably have an existential crisis, quit using, and change your life as needed according to the will of God. What is the will of God?
Manifest Peace, Love, Understanding, and Respect, to God, Your fellow human beings, and the Earth itself. Now that you know of My existence, that which is within you, manifest this into this world. May there be peace with me. May there be peace with your spirit. May there be peace within your heart, May there be peace to all that you know, and all you do not. May there be peace on this Earth.
om namo bhagavate vasudevaya there are so many ways to be free and happy , so many forms of god, so many ways people in all human kind have been exalted,
we might fret the opposite exists but , when we attain the high , naturally , then we realize it is the true reality , and it is not lonely , in fact, one can chose , precisely what they want to know god as , a play ground, a light, awareness of all light and informatino, or ,
as christ said there are many mansions.....
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was the psych lsd ? i mean , i would not really advocate strong doses of anything without a very definite strong underlying PLAN that you carry as a SENTIMENT, about what the trip WILL BE , for you , because that , a bit like a soldier, will go into it and , work with it ,
what is present in your residual self image manifests reality , period, reality can shift by thinking on purpose,
thinking on purpose means you become friends with yourself, and reclaim your resources
no consultation can i give on that except that , with the right strong headed determination to both expand, let go , learn, and if need to , hold on ,or maintain ( mainly being your own friend ) , the situation probably would not manifest that way .
i would not say this is the unconscious, i would say it is everything the conscious has thought about and created its self into being, manifesting as a lonelyness which is not actually real per se, but in that moment you did not program yourself with the right coping, strength, determination, set and setting how would i know, but let me tell you something about being strong in desire for truth, brave, and also open minded and able to let go , and able to hold on , is useful.
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: I AM SWIM]
#13699475 - 12/29/10 03:50 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I AM SWIM said:
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audiophoenix said: I had a frightening trip once where I experienced oneness in a very deep way. Time disappeared as if I was aware that it was an illusion anyways. Space and matter existed only as a thought and I true ly felt like I was experiencing the perspective of an all knowing and all being existence. And what I ended up feeling was complete lonely ness.
It felt like I was in a room alone for all eternity. I had this knowledge, legitimate or not, that I was the only thing. There were no other thing. There was nothing but me. I wanted to just stop existing but I couldn't.
I have to say this was one of the most frightening experiences I have ever had. Has anyone ever had this feeling?
I know exactly what your talking about.
I just recently had a similar experience on DMT not too long ago.
It was terrible, but I'm glad to be back into the illusion I call home for now.
" I'm lonely but everyone is lonely so at least I know I'm not alone " - E

yeah ive done' this w/ dmt tOO. a sense of despair was lingering around me and the machinist hallucinations i was being shown appeared to be dull and vague lookin. and then upon opening my eyes i realized that everything that i could see in the room i was in, was only there because i had a definition for it. the only reason why i saw an object in the room as being there, was because i was able to trigger a bit of data from my brain that recollected an image of a previous moment, and projected it into what i saw as "the chair" or "my pants"...
with this i felt very sad. but i let the experience of sadness wash over me, and i remained as "the self", just as a witnessing of this sadness, and i knew that it would pass.
but for that moment everything felt very fake. i knew i was just projecting the things in my room and realizing that i had put it all there, i had created the very scenery i was living in @ that moment.
or transformed it, actually. and it will continue to transform to the degree of limitation which my imagination will be chosen to be subjected to, by myself of course
now i realize that it is unfair to the DMT experience to choose to experience this sort of trip AFTER you get the messaage the first time.
sometimes you accidentally drag yourself into that trip again for whatever reason, but now when i smoke D33MSTERZ i be sure to always do it w/ the intention of having a good time. don't delude yourself into thinking that it needs to be a scary trip for it to be at all enlightening. the only "bad trips" are the ones that comes from a feeling of seperation. and all you need to do to transform those bad vibes into 
is realize that you are connected to everything. allow the synchronicities to flow because there are a ton of them in the DMT experience
deja vu deja vu deja vu deja vu deja vu
music goes great w/ dmt as does dancing and playing instruments, and watching trippy video thangs, and cool lil springy thangs, and playing w/ burning incense, or a balloon . and the best toy evar: Nature
it doesn't neeed to be that "breakthrough trip" every time. just once is enough. and then you're free to enjoy the magic elf powder to your full advantage deja vu
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: audiophoenix]
#13703259 - 12/29/10 09:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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audiophoenix said: I had a frightening trip once where I experienced oneness in a very deep way. Time disappeared as if I was aware that it was an illusion anyways. Space and matter existed only as a thought and I true ly felt like I was experiencing the perspective of an all knowing and all being existence. And what I ended up feeling was complete lonely ness.
It felt like I was in a room alone for all eternity. I had this knowledge, legitimate or not, that I was the only thing. There were no other thing. There was nothing but me. I wanted to just stop existing but I couldn't.
I have to say this was one of the most frightening experiences I have ever had. Has anyone ever had this feeling?
This has never happened to me before.
When i feel One with the universe it's the best feeling ever
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Re: Is the idea of "Oneness" a lonely idea to anyone else? [Re: tha_doctor]
#13703319 - 12/29/10 09:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well that was the first half of it. It reminded me of an old twilight zone episode where a guy thought he was in heaven and everything was going right. Every game of cards he played he won and everything he did he succeeded in. Eventually he comes to the realization that he is in Hell and that the idea that nothing can ever go wrong is the worst thing that could have happened.
I have had many trips where I felt like I was one with everyone and it was an amazing experience. But this time I had the distinct realization that I was discovering that in fact I was experiencing hell. In my trip I actually thought I was dead, had no connection with life or my surroundings (reality).
It was so frightening that I wanted to cry but I knew there was no one to hear my cry. It really blew my mind. I don't really think this is how it will be when I die and I don't believe in a judging God that will send people to hell. But it was really creepy and I am sure it will be in the back of my mind if I ever find myself in a deathbed.
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