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Invisibleanonjon
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Re: update on my mono... [Re: Ozzy]
    #13646101 - 12/17/10 08:10 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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fresh air before ready = stall, condesation droplets have never stalled a tub for me.

all the peaking is the reason for the stalled tub.....for your next run don't peak...




This is a myth. I used to believe it too just cuz someone told me that. But in actuality a little fae during colonization doesn't really affect it in the least.

Also, the spawn ratio has nothing to do with the unusually long colonization time. At 1:4 7-10 days is the norm with cubes. Your long colonization is because of something else. I would guess the substrate was too wet.


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Re: update on my mono... [Re: anonjon]
    #13646460 - 12/17/10 10:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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anonjon said:
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Ozzy said:
fresh air before ready = stall, condesation droplets have never stalled a tub for me.

all the peaking is the reason for the stalled tub.....for your next run don't peak...




This is a myth. I used to believe it too just cuz someone told me that. But in actuality a little fae during colonization doesn't really affect it in the least.





I am sorry you feel this way, however the only tubs that I have had stall during coinization were due to freash air getting in..
I am speaking from expereience not from  someone telling me.
I also agree with you that it could be that his sub was too wet..as stated earlier ..couple that with multiple  peaking...

Edited by Ozzy (12/17/10 10:45 AM)

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Re: update on my mono... [Re: Ozzy]
    #13646602 - 12/17/10 11:06 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

my mini tub was about the same except i started getting little pins. i went ahead and decided to throw it in the FC cause i have an identical tub that i taking its sweet time that i am goin to be patient with. i am a nub though so my opinion doesnt count. its just been a year since my last go so i am rather impatient. do you have any other tubs or just the one?


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Re: update on my mono... [Re: ESR]
    #13646657 - 12/17/10 11:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

No i have only this tub for now....

Do you guys think the slow colonisation was due to using very fine vermiculite?
What grade verm  do you use with coir?

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Re: update on my mono... [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13646672 - 12/17/10 11:26 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

IMO, there is no difference in mono's as to the grade of vermiculite..although I would assume that my coarse grade wouldn't stay on cakes very well.

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Re: update on my mono... [Re: Ozzy]
    #13646682 - 12/17/10 11:30 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

When you say on cakes you mean when rolling after dunking?
in this situation and when you put just verm on top of the brf jar as a filter then the fine grade would be better.

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Re: update on my mono... [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13646702 - 12/17/10 11:34 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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When you say on cakes you mean when rolling after dunking?
in this situation and when you put just verm on top of the brf jar as a filter then the fine grade would be better.




correct in both cases..I don't do cakes, but thats my assumption.

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Re: update on my mono... [Re: Ozzy]
    #13647107 - 12/17/10 01:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Ozzy said:
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anonjon said:
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Ozzy said:
fresh air before ready = stall, condesation droplets have never stalled a tub for me.

all the peaking is the reason for the stalled tub.....for your next run don't peak...




This is a myth. I used to believe it too just cuz someone told me that. But in actuality a little fae during colonization doesn't really affect it in the least.





I am sorry you feel this way, however the only tubs that I have had stall during coinization were due to freash air getting in..
I am speaking from expereience not from  someone telling me.
I also agree with you that it could be that his sub was too wet..as stated earlier ..couple that with multiple  peaking...




Just because your tub stalled and you peeked, causation does not make.

So you're telling me that a pile of dung in an open field must colonize slowly because the co2 levels aren't high enuff?

What about the thread where the guy told his gfriend to fan his tubs while he was away. Not knowing any better, she fans and mists the sealed colonizing tubs as well as the birthed ones. Guess what happened? It fruited on it's normal schedule.

You run across a man under a street lamp looking for his keys. You ask him if he's sure he dropped his keys here. He says no, but this is where the light is.


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Re: update on my mono... [Re: anonjon]
    #13647236 - 12/17/10 01:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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anonjon said:
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Ozzy said:
fresh air before ready = stall, condensation droplets have never stalled a tub for me.

all the peaking is the reason for the stalled tub.....for your next run don't peak...




This is a myth. I used to believe it too just cuz someone told me that. But in actuality a little fae during colonization doesn't really affect it in the least.





I am sorry you feel this way, however the only tubs that I have had stall during colonization were due to fresh air getting in..
I am speaking from experience not from  someone telling me.
I also agree with you that it could be that his sub was too wet..as stated earlier ..couple that with multiple  peaking...




Just because your tub stalled and you peeked, causation does not make.

So you're telling me that a pile of dung in an open field must colonize slowly because the co2 levels aren't high enough?

What about the thread where the guy told his gfriend to fan his tubs while he was away. Not knowing any better, she fans and mists the sealed colonizing tubs as well as the birthed ones. Guess what happened? It fruited on it's normal schedule.

You run across a man under a street lamp looking for his keys. You ask him if he's sure he dropped his keys here. He says no, but this is where the light is.





I was that Guy you were referring to..and you are taking my words out of context..it did fruit, correct, but that was almost finished 95%,  and they fruited first flush flimsy...

as to the tubs that I am referring to were about a year ago...12 of them..had my windows open during a very windy storm..all twelve stalled just about the way the OP's have..

and while they fruited at that stage as well(60% colonized), It also contaminated shortly thereafter, the fruits were not well developed, and the sub had no chance to fight off contams, hence the semi failure..

so you go head and believe its a myth...no skin off my back...indoor /outdoor  fruiting and colonizing are two very different things...
I went 7 flushes with my tubs outside this year, while inside I'm lucky to get to three.

And the op's question was why did it happen, not if they'll fruit..

If you are going to quote me please at least take the time to refer back to what that conversation was really about...

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Re: update on my mono... [Re: Ozzy]
    #13647573 - 12/17/10 02:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I don't care if I quote you correctly.

The end point is peeking doesn't cause stalling and no amount of debate is going to change that.


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Re: update on my mono... [Re: anonjon]
    #13647585 - 12/17/10 02:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I wasn't debating..nor will I with you...have a good day.

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Re: update on my mono... [Re: anonjon]
    #13647600 - 12/17/10 03:00 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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anonjon said:
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Ozzy said:
fresh air before ready = stall, condesation droplets have never stalled a tub for me.

all the peaking is the reason for the stalled tub.....for your next run don't peak...




This is a myth. I used to believe it too just cuz someone told me that. But in actuality a little fae during colonization doesn't really affect it in the least.

Also, the spawn ratio has nothing to do with the unusually long colonization time. At 1:4 7-10 days is the norm with cubes. Your long colonization is because of something else. I would guess the substrate was too wet.



i use to believe that shit too and i kept screwing up tubs because of no GE. i peeked with a flashlight threw the sides of the tub and stalled them and then they contamed. i put polyfil in 2 holes and leave a big opening and i colonize in 7-10 days now.

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Re: update on my mono... [Re: Pilz]
    #13647610 - 12/17/10 03:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Ozzy said:
fresh air before ready = stall, condesation droplets have never stalled a tub for me.

all the peaking is the reason for the stalled tub.....for your next run don't peak...




This is a myth. I used to believe it too just cuz someone told me that. But in actuality a little fae during colonization doesn't really affect it in the least.

Also, the spawn ratio has nothing to do with the unusually long colonization time. At 1:4 7-10 days is the norm with cubes. Your long colonization is because of something else. I would guess the substrate was too wet.



i use to believe that shit too and i kept screwing up tubs because of no GE. i peeked with a flashlight threw the sides of the tub and stalled them and then they contamed. i put polyfil in 2 holes and leave a big opening and i colonize in 7-10 days now.



A mono has all the air it needs ....

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Re: update on my mono... [Re: Ozzy]
    #13647621 - 12/17/10 03:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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A mono has all the air it needs ....




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Re: update on my mono... [Re: anonjon]
    #13659695 - 12/20/10 05:22 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Ok and a final update....

this was the thing the last time i checked it a week ago:




and this is how it is today:



Since i don't see new colonization would it be wise to fruit it now?

Edited by Hamurabi (12/20/10 05:25 AM)

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Re: update on my mono... [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13659873 - 12/20/10 07:01 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, just fruit it. It looks sopping wet. It needs to air out.


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Re: update on my mono... [Re: anonjon]
    #13660702 - 12/20/10 12:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

im a noob and from texas, i fruit first and ask questions later. my tubs prematurely pinned at 70% and 60% colonization, so i threw them in the fc. they are doing fine, no contams, but i have less pins than the last time i grew so it looks like i will have reduced output, that is my assumption. i would throw that bugger in the fc, i have been told it is a no no though cause you can get some nasty contams.


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Re: update on my mono... [Re: ESR]
    #13690693 - 12/27/10 12:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

and now it's pinning time baby!!!
They are too small to see them but i saw them and they are looooots.
I will update in a few days when they will be bigger.



Edited by Hamurabi (12/27/10 12:13 PM)

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Re: update on my mono... [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13690746 - 12/27/10 12:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

that looks like it filled in nicely.

I made up 6 mono's about two weeks ago and on one of them I absentmindedly didn't fill one of the holes with poly.. I introduced 5 of them this morning to fruiting conditions, the other with the air leak  is a week behind(when I saw it was open and filled it was a week ago..)

I thought of this thread when I realized it..

Glad to see your gonna make it bro.:thumbup:

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