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Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have?
    #13689648 - 12/27/10 06:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

My uncle was diagnosed with lung cancer 2 weeks ago.  It is inoperable and has spread to his bones and liver. Our family is very tight and this will be a difficult time. I want to offer mushrooms to my uncle as a way to uplift his spirit. I believe there to be many facets of shrooming to be therapeutic. That may be my opinion, only. What I need help with is: making the offering. I want it to be solely his decision. I also want to inform based on real testimonials. Its happening so fast. If I'm going to do this, I cant wait. Can anyone share their insights or experiences on this?


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: Sporge]
    #13689765 - 12/27/10 07:35 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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My uncle was diagnosed with lung cancer 2 weeks ago.  It is inoperable and has spread to his bones and liver. Our family is very tight and this will be a difficult time. I want to offer mushrooms to my uncle as a way to uplift his spirit. I believe there to be many facets of shrooming to be therapeutic. That may be my opinion, only. What I need help with is: making the offering. I want it to be solely his decision. I also want to inform based on real testimonials. Its happening so fast. If I'm going to do this, I cant wait. Can anyone share their insights or experiences on this?




Is your uncle an open-minded person? Also, how does he view drugs?


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
    #13689881 - 12/27/10 08:32 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/archgenpsychiatry.2010.116



I wish I could find a better news story. I've seen one around but couldn't find it.

Anyways, even if it's helpful, don't give it to him or try to convince him if he's reluctant.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: Sporge]
    #13689939 - 12/27/10 08:56 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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My uncle was diagnosed with lung cancer 2 weeks ago.  It is inoperable and has spread to his bones and liver. Our family is very tight and this will be a difficult time. I want to offer mushrooms to my uncle as a way to uplift his spirit. I believe there to be many facets of shrooming to be therapeutic. That may be my opinion, only. What I need help with is: making the offering. I want it to be solely his decision. I also want to inform based on real testimonials. Its happening so fast. If I'm going to do this, I cant wait. Can anyone share their insights or experiences on this?





LSD or XTC would be a much better choice IMO.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: Sporge]
    #13690431 - 12/27/10 11:06 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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My uncle was diagnosed with lung cancer 2 weeks ago.  It is inoperable and has spread to his bones and liver. Our family is very tight and this will be a difficult time. I want to offer mushrooms to my uncle as a way to uplift his spirit. I believe there to be many facets of shrooming to be therapeutic. That may be my opinion, only. What I need help with is: making the offering. I want it to be solely his decision. I also want to inform based on real testimonials. Its happening so fast. If I'm going to do this, I cant wait. Can anyone share their insights or experiences on this?




I agree with Icelander, but if you're like me, mushrooms are the only available change-agent, and given mushrooms or nothing, I would certainly suggest them to your uncle.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: Icelander]
    #13690847 - 12/27/10 12:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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My uncle was diagnosed with lung cancer 2 weeks ago.  It is inoperable and has spread to his bones and liver. Our family is very tight and this will be a difficult time. I want to offer mushrooms to my uncle as a way to uplift his spirit. I believe there to be many facets of shrooming to be therapeutic. That may be my opinion, only. What I need help with is: making the offering. I want it to be solely his decision. I also want to inform based on real testimonials. Its happening so fast. If I'm going to do this, I cant wait. Can anyone share their insights or experiences on this?





LSD or XTC would be a much better choice IMO.




Ya, definitely.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
    #13692369 - 12/27/10 06:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

diseases are nonsense, people fail to understand we have a field around our entire body that is infinite in energy

one way to heal lung cancer is alternate nostril breathing ,

the western system is a bunch of demons eating people's souls , blasting them with radiation cutting off their foreskin for sick leasure as babies scream in pain insisting that every person in the world has a chemical imbalnace if they so much as feel "sad" once in a while, that the cause of all lies suffering is lack of taking pills every single day for your entire life , and that man for millions of years of evolution was dumb becuase he couldn't create synthetic chemistry destroying drugs to eat ,

the very western world has made a CANCER CURE ILLEGAL :
CANNABIS SATIVA  ( INDICA TOO )
do you know that  ?

take cannabis, extract the oil, eat it, if you are not completely screwed by your cancer it will go away in a month or so .

do you know how ridiculously easy it is to cure cancer if you get out of satans medical system ?

well for 1 thing :
get some fruit,
get a good juicer, have a fruit juice fast until your turmors are gone
you say that's hard ? its easier than dying and the juice is going to nourish you so you are not going to feel weak,
can you be a man enough to handle detox ?
the way to healing is hard at first and getting easier each second

the way to death is easy at first and getting more toxic each second, and that is how "they" , ( which do not exist in a "they" form but are organized units of rampant mediocre ignorance ) KILL YOU .

look at these chinese men they healed a womans cancer in 2 minutes



( play this at a soft almost not hearable volume all day long )

now all of you shut up , if you don't believe this man is a chi master , what the hell is he doing ? how can he shoot his hand with a rifle and break the bullets ?

i have givne you enough information for your uncle to have a supreme recovery , the best way to do it is probably bhastrika breathing ,

bhastrika breathing works as follows :
rapid , somewhat forceful exhalations through the nose,
please find how to do it on youtube ,
it will be done about 25 times if able , less if it is hard to do at first, then the chi and prana flows, when the prana begins to sto pbeing noticeable you do it again
you will do this until the disease is healed or you are just exhausted or get incredibly bored,
when the prana is strong enough the entire body becomes electricity and kundalini is awake, that is probably too intense, so be mindful not to become a live wire, but in so doing this the fields come in and scrub the lungs clean and annihilate disease,

the alternate nostril breathing does the same thing , not as rapidly , but is easier to do for 25 minute sore or so ,

simply goign 100 % alkaline at all times, putting a pinch of baking soda in water whenever you have a drink, making green smoothies with a vegetable and a fruit, staying away from dairy and meat ,
no coffee ,
having 1 glass green tea a day , and some chamomile

taking food grade hydrogen peroxide properly diluted with each glass of water = DRINKING LIQUID OXYGEN = IMMEDIATE CANCER CURE AND MASS PURGING OF TUMORS ,  can lead to "healing crisis" where entire body hurts with pain, doses will require intuitive intelligent to not cleanse too rapidly or too slowly .

doing a yoga asana if able , shoulder stand, even up against a wall, healing prana surges and flows through in as little as 2 minutes, take a break, 2 minutes, take a break,

prana and chi are needed, without it we get sick and die,
a giant crystal singing bowl for $120 will probably heal it up also .

chanting OM

or this


the medical industry of the west is mentally retarded, they disregard all ancient and SIMPLE , FREE AND INEXPENSIVE HEALING TECHNIQUES DUE TO PRESSUR EFROM THE PHARMA-SUE-TICKLE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL MAFIA COMPLEX , that kills babies for fun in the third world because it is easie rto test on thir dworld humans in nations where there are not safety protectino laws

why the fuck aren't you dicks just sticking with natures cures ? it is a socipoathic almostnazi like hypnosis in the west, they will never go to find the chinese healers ishowed you to figure out how to actually fix dis-ease.

( some will , but most won't ) ,

if pot oil cures skin tumors in a week which it can , then they give you a cream that is toxic, hurts your body , makes your entir eface break out in rashes, and say "good job we helped him , screw marijuana "
then he dies of tumors, fucked up shit.



any of this will work , any of it at all, if he is able to breath at all, in any way , he can do alternate nostril breathing, this is something an 80 year old man can do , if he will do it at least 25 minutes , 4 times a day , the prana will build up and disintegrate evil. 

now i am not your common sense, i am not working to make someone do something, the FAITH in any of these actions is also needed,

but i will put it this way : i was driving chanting om tryumbakam.... mantra ( a very long mantra ) and at a point this light went in and DELETED, in one second all the coffee out of my body which was causing me a lot of pain at the time, from having had too much ( coffee is basically a toxin ,  we need to be careful with it ) now when you experience that , you say "why did i belive in the stupidity of the conditioned material world "
but if you have not experienced the spirit or energy you are either very motivated by these types of words or think they are crazy and insane, which is fine, but its a sad loss of a lie when there are numerless ways to fix such a situation.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: leery11] * 1
    #13692402 - 12/27/10 06:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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diseases are nonsense, people fail to understand we have a field around our entire body that is infinite in energy




Those stoopid people that fail to accept your fantasies.

BTW, can we direct-inject you with the Ebola virus as a test of your belief?


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: leery11]
    #13693026 - 12/27/10 08:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I don't expect that you realize that you are in a full-blown hypermanic episode, but that would be my best guess sitting where I am. Of course, regardless of whether it's Bipolar Disorder or substance-induced mania, or both, you're gonna crash. And then some of us will be making suggestions to help support that depression. Icelander will no doubt remind you to take your meds again (which is a good thing, if stability means anything). And then what? Another cycle? Pranayama is not gonna cure cancer any more than faith, as according to Mary Baker Eddy. Neither is cannabis oil. These exalted ideas are symptomatic of your current ego-inflation. Take heed from the myth of Icarus, who didn't listen to his elder (Daedalus). He crashed, big time.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13693155 - 12/27/10 08:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

He crashed, big time.

I avoid that by taking little naps every afternoon.

Most likely won't work for leery at this juncture however. Still... a nap is nice.:satansmoking:


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13693397 - 12/27/10 09:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

His posts just read to me like he's taken A LOT of acid over the years, not necessarily like he's in a hypermanic episode.  Kinda like LunarEclipse's posts.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: deCypher]
    #13694912 - 12/28/10 07:14 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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His posts just read to me like he's taken A LOT of acid over the years, not necessarily like he's in a hypermanic episode.  Kinda like LunarEclipse's posts.




I bet he is schizo or something and then did shitloads of psychs.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
    #13694936 - 12/28/10 07:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Heres a little info: http://www.heffter.org/research-hucla.htm

I'm sorry bout your Uncle man, but what you're trying to do is awesome.  Don't force it, but I hope our shared hobby can help the dude out :laugh:
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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
    #13695721 - 12/28/10 12:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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His posts just read to me like he's taken A LOT of acid over the years, not necessarily like he's in a hypermanic episode.  Kinda like LunarEclipse's posts.




I bet he is schizo or something and then did shitloads of psychs.




I've taken a lot of acid over the course of my life, and lesser psychedelics before that (if you count hashish, I began New Years Eve 1968-1969), morning glory seeds and Sandoz psilocybin followed in 1971. Windowpane LSD commenced July 1972, and the following 4 years saw weekly to twice-weekly trips. Less frequent from 1976 to 1989, Then, I grew my first mushrooms in 1989. The point is, having  taken a lot of psychedelics doesn't result is complete disorganization of thoughts, lack of punctuation, capitalization, and violation of grammatical rules. Ever read Ram Dass? He took more acid than I have, and he's always communicated beautifully. I don't know how much acid Ken Wilber has taken, but he is a top-notch writer/thinker. Even flakey-thinkers likeTerrence McKenna communicated his if-fy theories well. I realize that there are publishers and editors, but I've heard these people speak also. It's not the psychedelics, it's the mind that's in question. I still have laughable written records of some early acid trips. Truly ineffable experiences are non-linear, wholistic, untranslatable with linear language. Poetry is perhaps the only linguistic means that comes close to expressing such experiences. I can't be sure, but my guess is that Alex Grey doesn't paint when he's tripping.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13696607 - 12/28/10 03:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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iThink said:
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deCypher said:
His posts just read to me like he's taken A LOT of acid over the years, not necessarily like he's in a hypermanic episode.  Kinda like LunarEclipse's posts.




I bet he is schizo or something and then did shitloads of psychs.




I've taken a lot of acid over the course of my life, and lesser psychedelics before that (if you count hashish, I began New Years Eve 1968-1969), morning glory seeds and Sandoz psilocybin followed in 1971. Windowpane LSD commenced July 1972, and the following 4 years saw weekly to twice-weekly trips. Less frequent from 1976 to 1989, Then, I grew my first mushrooms in 1989. The point is, having  taken a lot of psychedelics doesn't result is complete disorganization of thoughts, lack of punctuation, capitalization, and violation of grammatical rules. Ever read Ram Dass? He took more acid than I have, and he's always communicated beautifully. I don't know how much acid Ken Wilber has taken, but he is a top-notch writer/thinker. Even flakey-thinkers likeTerrence McKenna communicated his if-fy theories well. I realize that there are publishers and editors, but I've heard these people speak also. It's not the psychedelics, it's the mind that's in question. I still have laughable written records of some early acid trips. Truly ineffable experiences are non-linear, wholistic, untranslatable with linear language. Poetry is perhaps the only linguistic means that comes close to expressing such experiences. I can't be sure, but my guess is that Alex Grey doesn't paint when he's tripping.




Ya sorry man it wasn't a very serious post. But then again if you are schizo or have other mental disorders I don't see tons of psychs being harmless.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
    #13698653 - 12/28/10 10:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Uh...no. I do not suffer from schizophrenia. People are not "schizo," they have an illness.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13698990 - 12/29/10 12:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

But some peeps are definitely wacko. :yesnod:


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13699463 - 12/29/10 03:34 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Ever read Ram Dass? He took more acid than I have, and he's always communicated beautifully.




I'm as big a fan of acid as anyone here, but I think one should be careful with this line of reasoning. The exception doesn't disprove the rule. There are people who go on meth binges for weeks at a time and "come out fine" but that doesn't mean it holds true for the majority.

I can see how enough psyches, especially DMT, could leave one "permafried", and know from first hand experience that HPPD is real.

Its a risk/benefit analysis everyone has to do for themselves, some think its worth it and others don't.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13699505 - 12/29/10 04:46 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree with Icelander, but if you're like me, mushrooms are the only available change-agent, and given mushrooms or nothing, I would certainly suggest them to your uncle.





I think that MDMA would be the least risky myself, it's softer/more ego-friendly, and more likely to help somebody open up and talk about uncomfortable subjects surrounding death.    On the other hand, I'm fairly sure at this point that all of the said entheogens have been shown to have some success in treating anxiety/depression with terminally ill cancer patients (various MAPS research studies), but surely they were carefully planned in therapeutic environments. 

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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13699588 - 12/29/10 06:45 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Uh...no. I do not suffer from schizophrenia. People are not "schizo," they have an illness.




I didn't say you had schizophrenia. I was making a joke about leery. And don't be a semantics bitch because i said someone is schizo instead of writing out the person has the illness schizophrenia. It means the same thing.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
    #13699878 - 12/29/10 09:08 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Uh...no. I do not suffer from schizophrenia. People are not "schizo," they have an illness.




I didn't say you had schizophrenia. I was making a joke about leery. And don't be a semantics bitch because i said someone is schizo instead of writing out the person has the illness schizophrenia. It means the same thing.




It's a matter of sensitivity here, of courtesy to others. besides, the medical model reduces an entire human being to a disease, and referring to someone as 'schizo,' or 'bipolar,' (the new insult for moody people) is just that - insulting. Semantics, semiotics, epistemology is all about the clarity of communicating knowledge. So instead of calling ME names, why not work on your own writing skills?


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #13699883 - 12/29/10 09:11 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree with Icelander, but if you're like me, mushrooms are the only available change-agent, and given mushrooms or nothing, I would certainly suggest them to your uncle.





I think that MDMA would be the least risky myself, it's softer/more ego-friendly, and more likely to help somebody open up and talk about uncomfortable subjects surrounding death.    On the other hand, I'm fairly sure at this point that all of the said entheogens have been shown to have some success in treating anxiety/depression with terminally ill cancer patients (various MAPS research studies), but surely they were carefully planned in therapeutic environments. 

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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #13699961 - 12/29/10 09:32 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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But some peeps are definitely wacko. :yesnod:




Yes, colloquially speaking, crazy, nuts, bonkers, bats-in-the-bellfry, off-your-rocker, loco, etc.. But these terms are usually dismissive, or insulting. I use them myself, but not to someone directly.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13699995 - 12/29/10 09:41 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I tell em they got splinters in the windmills of their mind.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13700990 - 12/29/10 01:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Uh...no. I do not suffer from schizophrenia. People are not "schizo," they have an illness.




I didn't say you had schizophrenia. I was making a joke about leery. And don't be a semantics bitch because i said someone is schizo instead of writing out the person has the illness schizophrenia. It means the same thing.




It's a matter of sensitivity here, of courtesy to others. besides, the medical model reduces an entire human being to a disease, and referring to someone as 'schizo,' or 'bipolar,' (the new insult for moody people) is just that - insulting. Semantics, semiotics, epistemology is all about the clarity of communicating knowledge. So instead of calling ME names, why not work on your own writing skills?




I am white. How dare i reduce myself to a mere color?!?! Oh wait that is just the way sentences are organized when giving a trait to someone.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13701282 - 12/29/10 02:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I use them myself, but not to someone directly.




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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #13701429 - 12/29/10 02:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

His Lady keeps them in her nightstand.:lol: She occasionally finds use for them.


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    #13701498 - 12/29/10 03:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Once snipped, can they ever be reattached?


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #13703705 - 12/29/10 11:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I use them myself, but not to someone directly.




No balls?




Yes balls. Just not an asshole.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: Icelander]
    #13703716 - 12/29/10 11:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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His Lady keeps them in her nightstand.:lol: She occasionally finds use for them.




:finger: :finger:

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    #13703723 - 12/29/10 11:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
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iThink said:
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MarkostheGnostic said:
Uh...no. I do not suffer from schizophrenia. People are not "schizo," they have an illness.




I didn't say you had schizophrenia. I was making a joke about leery. And don't be a semantics bitch because i said someone is schizo instead of writing out the person has the illness schizophrenia. It means the same thing.




It's a matter of sensitivity here, of courtesy to others. besides, the medical model reduces an entire human being to a disease, and referring to someone as 'schizo,' or 'bipolar,' (the new insult for moody people) is just that - insulting. Semantics, semiotics, epistemology is all about the clarity of communicating knowledge. So instead of calling ME names, why not work on your own writing skills?




I am white. How dare i reduce myself to a mere color?!?! Oh wait that is just the way sentences are organized when giving a trait to someone.




I know...it's difficult to transform crass to class, but maybe if you keep at it...


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13704653 - 12/30/10 06:13 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I assume you think I am a rude/mean person in real life too. I am actually extremely nice and respectful to everyone I interact with, and i follow all of the common niceties of society. However, when I am posting in a philosophy forum where the point is to debate i drop these niceties.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13705586 - 12/30/10 11:56 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I use them myself, but not to someone directly.




No balls?




Yes balls. Just not an asshole.



:lol:


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
    #13709043 - 12/30/10 10:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I assume you think I am a rude/mean person in real life too. I am actually extremely nice and respectful to everyone I interact with, and i follow all of the common niceties of society. However, when I am posting in a philosophy forum where the point is to debate i drop these niceties.




Yes, of course, philosophy has nothing to do with higher levels of intellectual, moral, and affective vectors of human development, to say nothing of socio-cultural, aesthetic and artistic sensibilities. This is JUST the place to evoke the breakdown of any civilizing tendencies of humans to move toward more sophisticated models of community; to develop harmonies of thought, sympathies of feeling, even leading to near-telepathic and  synchronistic modes of communication. Nah...forget all that high-falootin' stuff and let's just argue in the name of debate. Manners? We don't need no stinkin' manners!


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13709818 - 12/31/10 01:43 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I use them myself, but not to someone directly.




No balls?




Yes balls. Just not an asshole.




If a man sin in his heart...


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13709978 - 12/31/10 02:28 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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iThink said:
I assume you think I am a rude/mean person in real life too. I am actually extremely nice and respectful to everyone I interact with, and i follow all of the common niceties of society. However, when I am posting in a philosophy forum where the point is to debate i drop these niceties.




Yes, of course, philosophy has nothing to do with higher levels of intellectual, moral, and affective vectors of human development, to say nothing of socio-cultural, aesthetic and artistic sensibilities. This is JUST the place to evoke the breakdown of any civilizing tendencies of humans to move toward more sophisticated models of community; to develop harmonies of thought, sympathies of feeling, even leading to near-telepathic and  synchronistic modes of communication. Nah...forget all that high-falootin' stuff and let's just argue in the name of debate. Manners? We don't need no stinkin' manners!




Annndddd now you lost me. I disagree. My position is that everything you just spoke of is irrational bullshit with no purpose other than to increase our happiness which sure, i can subscribe to as i go throughout life because it makes me happy too, but when discussing the true nature of things in a philosophy forum I will not bend to these irrational ideas.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
    #13710528 - 12/31/10 08:42 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

Annndddd now you lost me. I disagree. My position is that everything you just spoke of is irrational bullshit with no purpose other than to increase our happiness which sure, i can subscribe to as i go throughout life because it makes me happy too, but when discussing the true nature of things in a philosophy forum I will not bend to these irrational ideas.

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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
    #13710748 - 12/31/10 10:00 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

My position is that everything you just spoke of is irrational bullshit with no purpose other than to increase our happiness which sure, i can subscribe to as i go throughout life because it makes me happy too,

If logically the ultimate goal of logic is to bring us happiness then as long as you have determined that what you believe really does make you the happiest  then imo it's very logical to believe it. The fact of weather it's true or not should be of no importance unless that belief puts you in physical danger.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: Icelander]
    #13711735 - 12/31/10 02:32 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

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My position is that everything you just spoke of is irrational bullshit with no purpose other than to increase our happiness which sure, i can subscribe to as i go throughout life because it makes me happy too,

If logically the ultimate goal of logic is to bring us happiness then as long as you have determined that what you believe really does make you the happiest  then imo it's very logical to believe it. The fact of weather it's true or not should be of no importance unless that belief puts you in physical danger.




Sorry my last response was pretty bad. I kind of skimmed marcos's post. I do hold these things he mentioned to be untrue "sympathies of feeling, even leading to near-telepathic and  synchronistic modes of communication". Let me clarify my poorly put together responses with this as it touches on the original disagreement. I am very kind and respectful in real life due to my empathetic nature and it creating more happiness due to people liking me more. However, I am posting online so everything becomes very impersonal and these interactions have no effect on me (unless an argument i agree with is brought up), so i don't really care about hurting someone's feelings.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
    #13711852 - 12/31/10 03:00 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

However, I am posting online so everything becomes very impersonal and these interactions have no effect on me (unless an argument i agree with is brought up), so i don't really care about hurting someone's feelings.


:hissyfit:  Please don't PM me anymore then.:hissyfit:


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
    #13711869 - 12/31/10 03:03 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

"I am very kind and respectful in real life due to my empathetic nature... so i don't really care about hurting someone's feelings."  :lmafo:  :rofl2:


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13711885 - 12/31/10 03:08 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

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However, I am posting online so everything becomes very impersonal and these interactions have no effect on me (unless an argument i agree with is brought up), so i don't really care about hurting someone's feelings.


:hissyfit:  Please don't PM me anymore then.:hissyfit:




I will make the exception and say a PM is private so i'm more emotionally engaged...or maybe not :evil:
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"I am very kind and respectful in real life due to my empathetic nature... so i don't really care about hurting someone's feelings."  :lmafo:  :rofl2:




Good point... I guess my empathy switch requires facial expressions...


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
    #13711911 - 12/31/10 03:14 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

I think you're fos.

The internet is the same as "real" life except for one thing and that might be the influencing factor in your case.  In person they can kick your ass. :brucelee:


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    #13711951 - 12/31/10 03:23 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

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I think you're fos.

The internet is the same as "real" life except for one thing and that might be the influencing factor in your case.  In person they can kick your ass. :brucelee:




There is also the not knowing the person beyond what they post part. I also can't hang out with you guys. You can also lie with impunity on the internet as I'm sure Marcos knows with my comment on my empathetic nature (i thought about it more and i guess i just used to be really empathetic).

But seriously, you know i like you Icelander, how could i not like someone who agrees with me so much?


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: Icelander]
    #13711960 - 12/31/10 03:24 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

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I think you're fos.

The internet is the same as "real" life except for one thing and that might be the influencing factor in your case.  In person they can kick your ass. :brucelee:




:lol:  And the Icelander is the one who can do it, too.


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    #13711962 - 12/31/10 03:26 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

What's not to like about the Icelander.


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