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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: Sporge]
    #13689765 - 12/27/10 07:35 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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My uncle was diagnosed with lung cancer 2 weeks ago.  It is inoperable and has spread to his bones and liver. Our family is very tight and this will be a difficult time. I want to offer mushrooms to my uncle as a way to uplift his spirit. I believe there to be many facets of shrooming to be therapeutic. That may be my opinion, only. What I need help with is: making the offering. I want it to be solely his decision. I also want to inform based on real testimonials. Its happening so fast. If I'm going to do this, I cant wait. Can anyone share their insights or experiences on this?




Is your uncle an open-minded person? Also, how does he view drugs?


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: Icelander]
    #13690847 - 12/27/10 12:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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My uncle was diagnosed with lung cancer 2 weeks ago.  It is inoperable and has spread to his bones and liver. Our family is very tight and this will be a difficult time. I want to offer mushrooms to my uncle as a way to uplift his spirit. I believe there to be many facets of shrooming to be therapeutic. That may be my opinion, only. What I need help with is: making the offering. I want it to be solely his decision. I also want to inform based on real testimonials. Its happening so fast. If I'm going to do this, I cant wait. Can anyone share their insights or experiences on this?





LSD or XTC would be a much better choice IMO.




Ya, definitely.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: deCypher]
    #13694912 - 12/28/10 07:14 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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His posts just read to me like he's taken A LOT of acid over the years, not necessarily like he's in a hypermanic episode.  Kinda like LunarEclipse's posts.




I bet he is schizo or something and then did shitloads of psychs.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13696607 - 12/28/10 03:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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His posts just read to me like he's taken A LOT of acid over the years, not necessarily like he's in a hypermanic episode.  Kinda like LunarEclipse's posts.




I bet he is schizo or something and then did shitloads of psychs.




I've taken a lot of acid over the course of my life, and lesser psychedelics before that (if you count hashish, I began New Years Eve 1968-1969), morning glory seeds and Sandoz psilocybin followed in 1971. Windowpane LSD commenced July 1972, and the following 4 years saw weekly to twice-weekly trips. Less frequent from 1976 to 1989, Then, I grew my first mushrooms in 1989. The point is, having  taken a lot of psychedelics doesn't result is complete disorganization of thoughts, lack of punctuation, capitalization, and violation of grammatical rules. Ever read Ram Dass? He took more acid than I have, and he's always communicated beautifully. I don't know how much acid Ken Wilber has taken, but he is a top-notch writer/thinker. Even flakey-thinkers likeTerrence McKenna communicated his if-fy theories well. I realize that there are publishers and editors, but I've heard these people speak also. It's not the psychedelics, it's the mind that's in question. I still have laughable written records of some early acid trips. Truly ineffable experiences are non-linear, wholistic, untranslatable with linear language. Poetry is perhaps the only linguistic means that comes close to expressing such experiences. I can't be sure, but my guess is that Alex Grey doesn't paint when he's tripping.




Ya sorry man it wasn't a very serious post. But then again if you are schizo or have other mental disorders I don't see tons of psychs being harmless.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13699588 - 12/29/10 06:45 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Uh...no. I do not suffer from schizophrenia. People are not "schizo," they have an illness.




I didn't say you had schizophrenia. I was making a joke about leery. And don't be a semantics bitch because i said someone is schizo instead of writing out the person has the illness schizophrenia. It means the same thing.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13700990 - 12/29/10 01:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Uh...no. I do not suffer from schizophrenia. People are not "schizo," they have an illness.




I didn't say you had schizophrenia. I was making a joke about leery. And don't be a semantics bitch because i said someone is schizo instead of writing out the person has the illness schizophrenia. It means the same thing.




It's a matter of sensitivity here, of courtesy to others. besides, the medical model reduces an entire human being to a disease, and referring to someone as 'schizo,' or 'bipolar,' (the new insult for moody people) is just that - insulting. Semantics, semiotics, epistemology is all about the clarity of communicating knowledge. So instead of calling ME names, why not work on your own writing skills?




I am white. How dare i reduce myself to a mere color?!?! Oh wait that is just the way sentences are organized when giving a trait to someone.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13704653 - 12/30/10 06:13 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I assume you think I am a rude/mean person in real life too. I am actually extremely nice and respectful to everyone I interact with, and i follow all of the common niceties of society. However, when I am posting in a philosophy forum where the point is to debate i drop these niceties.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13709978 - 12/31/10 02:28 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I assume you think I am a rude/mean person in real life too. I am actually extremely nice and respectful to everyone I interact with, and i follow all of the common niceties of society. However, when I am posting in a philosophy forum where the point is to debate i drop these niceties.




Yes, of course, philosophy has nothing to do with higher levels of intellectual, moral, and affective vectors of human development, to say nothing of socio-cultural, aesthetic and artistic sensibilities. This is JUST the place to evoke the breakdown of any civilizing tendencies of humans to move toward more sophisticated models of community; to develop harmonies of thought, sympathies of feeling, even leading to near-telepathic and  synchronistic modes of communication. Nah...forget all that high-falootin' stuff and let's just argue in the name of debate. Manners? We don't need no stinkin' manners!




Annndddd now you lost me. I disagree. My position is that everything you just spoke of is irrational bullshit with no purpose other than to increase our happiness which sure, i can subscribe to as i go throughout life because it makes me happy too, but when discussing the true nature of things in a philosophy forum I will not bend to these irrational ideas.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: Icelander]
    #13711735 - 12/31/10 02:32 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

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My position is that everything you just spoke of is irrational bullshit with no purpose other than to increase our happiness which sure, i can subscribe to as i go throughout life because it makes me happy too,

If logically the ultimate goal of logic is to bring us happiness then as long as you have determined that what you believe really does make you the happiest  then imo it's very logical to believe it. The fact of weather it's true or not should be of no importance unless that belief puts you in physical danger.




Sorry my last response was pretty bad. I kind of skimmed marcos's post. I do hold these things he mentioned to be untrue "sympathies of feeling, even leading to near-telepathic and  synchronistic modes of communication". Let me clarify my poorly put together responses with this as it touches on the original disagreement. I am very kind and respectful in real life due to my empathetic nature and it creating more happiness due to people liking me more. However, I am posting online so everything becomes very impersonal and these interactions have no effect on me (unless an argument i agree with is brought up), so i don't really care about hurting someone's feelings.


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #13711885 - 12/31/10 03:08 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

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However, I am posting online so everything becomes very impersonal and these interactions have no effect on me (unless an argument i agree with is brought up), so i don't really care about hurting someone's feelings.


:hissyfit:  Please don't PM me anymore then.:hissyfit:




I will make the exception and say a PM is private so i'm more emotionally engaged...or maybe not :evil:
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"I am very kind and respectful in real life due to my empathetic nature... so i don't really care about hurting someone's feelings."  :lmafo:  :rofl2:




Good point... I guess my empathy switch requires facial expressions...


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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: Icelander]
    #13711951 - 12/31/10 03:23 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

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I think you're fos.

The internet is the same as "real" life except for one thing and that might be the influencing factor in your case.  In person they can kick your ass. :brucelee:




There is also the not knowing the person beyond what they post part. I also can't hang out with you guys. You can also lie with impunity on the internet as I'm sure Marcos knows with my comment on my empathetic nature (i thought about it more and i guess i just used to be really empathetic).

But seriously, you know i like you Icelander, how could i not like someone who agrees with me so much?


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