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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: Sporge]
#13690431 - 12/27/10 11:06 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sporge said: My uncle was diagnosed with lung cancer 2 weeks ago. It is inoperable and has spread to his bones and liver. Our family is very tight and this will be a difficult time. I want to offer mushrooms to my uncle as a way to uplift his spirit. I believe there to be many facets of shrooming to be therapeutic. That may be my opinion, only. What I need help with is: making the offering. I want it to be solely his decision. I also want to inform based on real testimonials. Its happening so fast. If I'm going to do this, I cant wait. Can anyone share their insights or experiences on this?
I agree with Icelander, but if you're like me, mushrooms are the only available change-agent, and given mushrooms or nothing, I would certainly suggest them to your uncle.
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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: leery11]
#13693026 - 12/27/10 08:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't expect that you realize that you are in a full-blown hypermanic episode, but that would be my best guess sitting where I am. Of course, regardless of whether it's Bipolar Disorder or substance-induced mania, or both, you're gonna crash. And then some of us will be making suggestions to help support that depression. Icelander will no doubt remind you to take your meds again (which is a good thing, if stability means anything). And then what? Another cycle? Pranayama is not gonna cure cancer any more than faith, as according to Mary Baker Eddy. Neither is cannabis oil. These exalted ideas are symptomatic of your current ego-inflation. Take heed from the myth of Icarus, who didn't listen to his elder (Daedalus). He crashed, big time.
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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
#13695721 - 12/28/10 12:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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deCypher said: His posts just read to me like he's taken A LOT of acid over the years, not necessarily like he's in a hypermanic episode. Kinda like LunarEclipse's posts.
I bet he is schizo or something and then did shitloads of psychs.
I've taken a lot of acid over the course of my life, and lesser psychedelics before that (if you count hashish, I began New Years Eve 1968-1969), morning glory seeds and Sandoz psilocybin followed in 1971. Windowpane LSD commenced July 1972, and the following 4 years saw weekly to twice-weekly trips. Less frequent from 1976 to 1989, Then, I grew my first mushrooms in 1989. The point is, having taken a lot of psychedelics doesn't result is complete disorganization of thoughts, lack of punctuation, capitalization, and violation of grammatical rules. Ever read Ram Dass? He took more acid than I have, and he's always communicated beautifully. I don't know how much acid Ken Wilber has taken, but he is a top-notch writer/thinker. Even flakey-thinkers likeTerrence McKenna communicated his if-fy theories well. I realize that there are publishers and editors, but I've heard these people speak also. It's not the psychedelics, it's the mind that's in question. I still have laughable written records of some early acid trips. Truly ineffable experiences are non-linear, wholistic, untranslatable with linear language. Poetry is perhaps the only linguistic means that comes close to expressing such experiences. I can't be sure, but my guess is that Alex Grey doesn't paint when he's tripping.
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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
#13698653 - 12/28/10 10:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Uh...no. I do not suffer from schizophrenia. People are not "schizo," they have an illness.
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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
#13699878 - 12/29/10 09:08 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't say you had schizophrenia. I was making a joke about leery. And don't be a semantics bitch because i said someone is schizo instead of writing out the person has the illness schizophrenia. It means the same thing.
It's a matter of sensitivity here, of courtesy to others. besides, the medical model reduces an entire human being to a disease, and referring to someone as 'schizo,' or 'bipolar,' (the new insult for moody people) is just that - insulting. Semantics, semiotics, epistemology is all about the clarity of communicating knowledge. So instead of calling ME names, why not work on your own writing skills?
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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#13699883 - 12/29/10 09:11 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree with Icelander, but if you're like me, mushrooms are the only available change-agent, and given mushrooms or nothing, I would certainly suggest them to your uncle.
I think that MDMA would be the least risky myself, it's softer/more ego-friendly, and more likely to help somebody open up and talk about uncomfortable subjects surrounding death. On the other hand, I'm fairly sure at this point that all of the said entheogens have been shown to have some success in treating anxiety/depression with terminally ill cancer patients (various MAPS research studies), but surely they were carefully planned in therapeutic environments.
~ To the OP: Whatever you decide, my thoughts are with you.. 
Cosmic Joke! Fade in...fade out. Are you back in this dimension for a while?
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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#13699961 - 12/29/10 09:32 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: But some peeps are definitely wacko. 
Yes, colloquially speaking, crazy, nuts, bonkers, bats-in-the-bellfry, off-your-rocker, loco, etc.. But these terms are usually dismissive, or insulting. I use them myself, but not to someone directly.
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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#13703705 - 12/29/10 11:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I use them myself, but not to someone directly.
No balls?
Yes balls. Just not an asshole.
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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: Icelander]
#13703716 - 12/29/10 11:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: His Lady keeps them in her nightstand. She occasionally finds use for them.

Apparently, you enjoy this response.
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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
#13703723 - 12/29/10 11:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: Uh...no. I do not suffer from schizophrenia. People are not "schizo," they have an illness.
I didn't say you had schizophrenia. I was making a joke about leery. And don't be a semantics bitch because i said someone is schizo instead of writing out the person has the illness schizophrenia. It means the same thing.
It's a matter of sensitivity here, of courtesy to others. besides, the medical model reduces an entire human being to a disease, and referring to someone as 'schizo,' or 'bipolar,' (the new insult for moody people) is just that - insulting. Semantics, semiotics, epistemology is all about the clarity of communicating knowledge. So instead of calling ME names, why not work on your own writing skills?
I am white. How dare i reduce myself to a mere color?!?! Oh wait that is just the way sentences are organized when giving a trait to someone.
I know...it's difficult to transform crass to class, but maybe if you keep at it...
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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
#13709043 - 12/30/10 10:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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iThink said: I assume you think I am a rude/mean person in real life too. I am actually extremely nice and respectful to everyone I interact with, and i follow all of the common niceties of society. However, when I am posting in a philosophy forum where the point is to debate i drop these niceties.
Yes, of course, philosophy has nothing to do with higher levels of intellectual, moral, and affective vectors of human development, to say nothing of socio-cultural, aesthetic and artistic sensibilities. This is JUST the place to evoke the breakdown of any civilizing tendencies of humans to move toward more sophisticated models of community; to develop harmonies of thought, sympathies of feeling, even leading to near-telepathic and synchronistic modes of communication. Nah...forget all that high-falootin' stuff and let's just argue in the name of debate. Manners? We don't need no stinkin' manners!
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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
#13710528 - 12/31/10 08:42 AM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Annndddd now you lost me. I disagree. My position is that everything you just spoke of is irrational bullshit with no purpose other than to increase our happiness which sure, i can subscribe to as i go throughout life because it makes me happy too, but when discussing the true nature of things in a philosophy forum I will not bend to these irrational ideas.
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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: 4896744]
#13711869 - 12/31/10 03:03 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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"I am very kind and respectful in real life due to my empathetic nature... so i don't really care about hurting someone's feelings."
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Re: Can mushrooms help the terminally ill and the time they have? [Re: Icelander]
#13711960 - 12/31/10 03:24 PM (13 years, 30 days ago) |
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Icelander said: I think you're fos.
The internet is the same as "real" life except for one thing and that might be the influencing factor in your case. In person they can kick your ass. 
And the Icelander is the one who can do it, too.
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