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newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help
    #13689054 - 12/27/10 12:10 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

HI. right I've just been diagnosed with a disease, and the best way to prevent attacks is psilocybin.. The ironic thing is, this is the first year for about 20, that I've not been picking my usual supply of liberty caps, and I don't know anyone else who has :frown:
So I need to start learning all i can about growing, Not sure What strain or tech.. possibly Psilocybe Cubensis B+ or ecuador
I did used to live in a house Where Libs popped up on the lawn during season, Would it be possible to dig up a piece and re-create perfect conditions indoors?
I know that there's no current efficient tech for indoor growing of Libs, but The only thing I've grown before is Bud and I'm just thinking along those lines

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Rivaman]
    #13689078 - 12/27/10 12:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

welcome.
read threads in the cultivation forum, become familiar with the terminology, use the search function, then come back and ask good questions.


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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: monkiman]
    #13689107 - 12/27/10 12:24 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

You've got a lot of research and reading ahead of you. I recommend a copy of "Lets Grow Mushrooms" and a spore syringe from a sponsor. You can find both of those things here:

http://www.shroomery.org/sponsors.php

You could start your reading here:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/58

Start with PF tek, then once you are comfortable move into some kind of bulk.

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Rivaman]
    #13689117 - 12/27/10 12:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

sorry but I'm new to forums in general not just this one, I've done a LOT of reading in the last 4 days since my diagnosis and it's got a bit confusing, I was looking for experienced opinions on what would be the best path to go down, there are so many options and i don't know where to start, obviously I need to concentrate on learning one tech rather than be overwhelmed with all of them at once, I want to know the quickest easiest way of getting hold of Psilocybin, not to get high (for a change) but because I'm desperate. Merry Xmas

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Rivaman]
    #13689140 - 12/27/10 12:33 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

to use shrooms for headachs you need less then .5 from what i understand ,
it works , hes not making it up

for your dffinition of "alot" you would only need less then an ounce a month

so you can try the pf tek

use the search engine on pf tek and gloveboxes,

that should start you off nicely

also look into noobie style jarlids,
and all the variations
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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Rivaman]
    #13689145 - 12/27/10 12:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

its easy
get spores from a shroomery sponsor, pf spore race or b+ seem to be a popular noob strain, follow the pf tek(very easy),and you will have psilocybin for your headaches.:super:


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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Rivaman]
    #13689152 - 12/27/10 12:37 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The comments above are spot on.

This is the PF-Tek:
http://www.shroomery.org/10256/PF-Tek-v2

Ignore the warning about it being old data.  It is good.
BUT do not go for a terrarium Fruiting Chamber (FC).  Go for a SGFC
instead (search here for that too). 

Use BRF cakes with a verm barrier, and a SGFC, and you can have fruits
in six weeks from the syringe arriving in the mail. (others will say
four weeks, and mean it, but this is an aggressive estimate.

Good luck!

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: jokefox]
    #13689157 - 12/27/10 12:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I wasnt being an asshole. And didnt mean to come off that way. I know what the treatment for cluster headaches is. Though I didnt know the dosage. Those links I provided will help show you the way. If you get PF Tek down, its an easy jump to Spongi's Big PF block tek.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=12826882&fpart=&PHPSESSID=

This one has helped me out too:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=13359233&fpart=&PHPSESSID=

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: jokefox]
    #13689163 - 12/27/10 12:41 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

pf tek!
www.mushroomvideos.com - RR & Roadkill do pf tek on easy to follow videos. Follow these videos, get a spore print/syringe from a sponsor and you could have some cubies growin in a month or so. :smile:

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Javadog]
    #13689175 - 12/27/10 12:43 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'm in UK, thanks for the pointers, I might need a little more than .5g though, like I say I'm very experienced with Libs, and I don't mind a bit of DMT either, and I'm sure one or two of my pals won't mind the treatment :smile:

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Rivaman]
    #13689179 - 12/27/10 12:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

well luckily for you theres a sticky that is labeled grow supplys in europe ,
check that out home slice

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: jokefox]
    #13689336 - 12/27/10 01:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

now i know witch way to go it's not as daunting.
Thanks everyone for your advice, before long i'll be printing spores and munching the fruits :mushroom2:

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Rivaman]
    #13689392 - 12/27/10 02:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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HI. right I've just been diagnosed with a disease, and the best way to prevent attacks is psilocybin.




I heard about cluster headaches in med school, Thats a ought right debilitating disease. Sympathy's with you bro... They are making medical advances towards that...

Hey I hope you get cultivating down so you can help yourself instead of relying on Drug Corps. Starting with the PF-Tek is a good way to start... I would also say go for a easy strain (pretty much all cubes are easy from what you will read) easy meaning it has been a hobby staple like B+ or Ecuador. Ecuador can take a little longer to germinate but is a good starter


Here are some Teks you can try and master to help you spore syringe last longer and help cut down cultivation times.

Liquid CultureSome say and I agree it is easier than the PF-Tek just squirt a 1cc or .5cc into a jar with this and watch it grow... and from there you can inoculate lots of jars and store the LC into the fridge for future inoculations.
you can get pre made lids here if you dont want to make them.

The PF-Tek is always preferred for starting out
PF-Tek Part1
PF-Tek Part2
PF-Tek Part3
PF-Tek Part4

Weather you go PF-Tek and shoot spores straight into the jars or you go LC and shoot Mycelium... you will have good success with RR's Method. (I would recommend you go the PF-Tek Route and save a little spore solution and inoculate a LC jar with it.)

here is a goodLC Tek
And here is aEasier LC Tek
Really depends on the route you want to take...

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    #13690360 - 12/27/10 10:49 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: stets43]
    #13690699 - 12/27/10 12:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah Cluster headaches... I still don't fully understand why they give Imitrex Injections for Cluster Suffers. Imitrex is a migraine med that works by constricting the blood vessels in one's head (migraines are caused from dilated blood vessels) Kind of makes more sense to help curb the intensity of them with sumatriptan and therapies like oxygen therapy but can be quite expensive...

they are testing a new derivative called BOL-148 that is kind of like a non-hallucinogenic form of LSD... Hopefully that is a better medical break through for Cluster headache suffers than the current treatment plans. Hopefully it turns to be the ultimate band-aide for them. I doubt there will be a cure in the next century since doctors don't even know what causes them (another reason why i think imitrex is a irresponsible response to a cluster headache sufferer but I do not know because I do not suffer from cluster headaches and cannot tell you 100% how well Imitrex works)

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: jokefox]
    #13690800 - 12/27/10 12:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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jokefox said:
to use shrooms for headachs you need less then .5 from what i understand ,
it works , hes not making it up

for your dffinition of "alot" you would only need less then an ounce a month

so you can try the pf tek

use the search engine on pf tek and gloveboxes,

that should start you off nicely

also look into noobie style jarlids,
and all the variations
welcome to the forums
ignore the assholes




Im with fox, IGNORE THE ASSHOLES!!

im a suicide headache survivor as well my friend, welcome to a small minority of us.... there are a few of us around here on the forums....

i can help you with dose's needed if you give me a little info about yourself, like how often do you get clusters? when your having them how many/day or week do you get? are they constant or do they come and go? (i get them every 3-4 months, for a month straight.....it takes .5 - 1.5 grams to do me for 3-5 days...)


As for learning about mushroom growing, start HERE This is RogerRabbits BRF tek, there are other videos on the site but WATCH THESE 4 ON BRF TEK!!(watch the others after, or buy the vid...)! i can not stress how important these videos will be. if you follow his directions you WILL grow mushrooms, its that simple. i started almost a year ago, learning from RR's teks and cultivation notes (RR'S Notes) just hit CTRL+F and use the find function to find keywords in his notes.

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I forgot to mention that if the Doc put you on imitrex injections, you may run into some cross tolerance issues. I cannot be certain of this, but Imitrex (sumatriptan) is a tryptamine based drug, as is psilocybin.




if they put you on imitrex you will have to take WAY more, and thats VERY dangerous. i would suggest stopping the injections and starting oxagen therapy, but only when you are having an attack.
imitrex makes blood vessel very small constricting blood flow (bad..), oxygen makes them large allowing blood to flow.....

@imitrex its self, take nitrogen its the same thing, in a natural form....no pharmacological shit...


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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Harley.Hammerhead]
    #13690817 - 12/27/10 12:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

after watching the lets grow mushroom videos. also search for a thread entitled

"PF tek done right" by Shea25


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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Rivaman]
    #13690989 - 12/27/10 01:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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HI. right I've just been diagnosed with a disease, and the best way to prevent attacks is psilocybin..





Grow psilocybe cubensis instead. 

Eat only about 0.5grams.

Here's a small-scale fruiting method writeup I did:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11912026#11912026

Either cultivate cubensis on "cakes" using the PF-Tek
orrrr purchase a pressure cooker and do a small grow by cultivating cubensis "invitro" in the grain jars like in my writeup, or place those jars in a "shotgun terrarium" (plastic tub with perlite in it).

SOoooo easy to do this friend, you've come to the right place. :zoom: ~P~


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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Psuper]
    #13690995 - 12/27/10 01:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

also look up sclerotia. it requires no fruiting and is by far the singe easiest method to obtain psilocybin


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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: k00laid]
    #13691435 - 12/27/10 02:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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also look up sclerotia. it requires no fruiting and is by far the singe easiest method to obtain psilocybin




this is a VERY good idea. i cant believe i forgot to say that :facepalm:

sclerotia strain's requite more time, but MUCH less work, you dont even have to grow them into mushrooms.... i currently have Ps. mexicana Jalisco Spores for sclorotia.

some keywords you will want to search on the forum are Sclerotia and magic truffles.... Ps. mexicana, Ps. galindoi - ATL #7 these are the only 2 strains i can remember off the top of my head...


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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Harley.Hammerhead]
    #13691572 - 12/27/10 03:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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also look up sclerotia. it requires no fruiting and is by far the singe easiest method to obtain psilocybin




this is a VERY good idea. i cant believe i forgot to say that :facepalm:

sclerotia strain's requite more time, but MUCH less work, you dont even have to grow them into mushrooms.... i currently have Ps. mexicana Jalisco Spores for sclorotia.

some keywords you will want to search on the forum are Sclerotia and magic truffles.... Ps. mexicana, Ps. galindoi - ATL #7 these are the only 2 strains i can remember off the top of my head...







P. mexicana and p. galindoi (ATL #7) are actually different species, not strains.  "A", "B", and "Jalisco" are all strains of p. mexicana, though.  P. tampanensis is also a separate, popular psychedelic sclerotia producing species.

The best place to purchase the spores of any of these species is from Sporeworks. ~P~


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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Psuper]
    #13691786 - 12/27/10 04:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

yea, i get stoned sometimes and forget, family:genus:species , not strain, i get to distracted with strain because of marijuana (medical grower)... lmao.... I haven't taken fundamentals of biology in a while :crazy2:

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The best place to purchase the spores of any of these species is from Sporeworks. ~P~




i'll vouch that, Workman has Allways treated me right. tell him your a shroomery member and you might get some "candy" :wink:


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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Harley.Hammerhead]
    #13691828 - 12/27/10 04:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

WELCOME!

i suffer from migraine headaches and that is what brought me here.

you are getting some great advice already. PF tek, fer-sur. hope all goes well!

post pics of your first grow and earn a free print from your local, friendly closed veil.


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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Harley.Hammerhead]
    #13691909 - 12/27/10 04:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

add Tampanensis and Jalisco (though J is a bad stone maker)

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Rivaman]
    #13692001 - 12/27/10 04:47 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

If you are in need of active then I would fully skip the fruiting phase, it's a waste for your needs. If you follow a spawn preparation tek using WBS then you can use the mycelium directly off the grains. It will cut down on your time, energy, and space requirements.

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: NMR.Xochipilli]
    #13692136 - 12/27/10 05:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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If you are in need of active then I would fully skip the fruiting phase, it's a waste for your needs. If you follow a spawn preparation tek using WBS then you can use the mycelium directly off the grains. It will cut down on your time, energy, and space requirements.




Disagree. :mib: Refer to all of the other posts above.

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #13692160 - 12/27/10 05:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #13692201 - 12/27/10 05:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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:whathesaid:

You've got a lot of research and reading ahead of you. I recommend a copy of "Lets Grow Mushrooms" and a spore syringe from a sponsor. You can find both of those things here:

http://www.shroomery.org/sponsors.php

You could start your reading here:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/58

Start with PF tek, then once you are comfortable move into some kind of bulk.





I agree I highly recommend buying a copy of "lets grow mushrooms" very informative . Most all of ur noob questions will be answered with that video. I have had the pleasure of watching this beautiful production and will be picking me up a hard copy in a week or so.


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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Harley.Hammerhead]
    #13692585 - 12/27/10 06:44 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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im a suicide headache survivor as well my friend, welcome to a small minority of us.... there are a few of us around here on the forums....

i can help you with dose's needed if you give me a little info about yourself, like how often do you get clusters? when your having them how many/day or week do you get? are they constant or do they come and go? (i get them every 3-4 months, for a month straight.....it takes .5 - 1.5 grams to do me for 3-5 days...)






You know what Harley Hammerhead... I just though of this... Maybe we should petition or ask a Administrator and some of the Moderators IF we could open a Medicinal Thread to the Shroomery So people with a medicinal use for mushrooms can get to gether and discuss what works for them and doseage and best methods for cultivation... I believe this would be good for the small minority of you people here with these issues and may also draw more people to the shroomery on a Homeopathy ideal into cultivating alternative medical means to this issue...

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if they put you on imitrex you will have to take WAY more, and thats VERY dangerous. i would suggest stopping the injections and starting oxagen therapy, but only when you are having an attack.
imitrex makes blood vessel very small constricting blood flow (bad..), oxygen makes them large allowing blood to flow.....

@imitrex its self, take nitrogen its the same thing, in a natural form....no pharmacological shit...




I am not a Doctor... I am a Dentist so I wont give you medicinal advise because I am not qualified to do so... but i agree with  :whathesaid:

Also I hope the FDA approves 2-Bromo-LSD (BOL-148: non-hallucinogenic LSD derivative ) for medicinal use... I heard promissing things about it to help solve cluster headache patients...

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Harley.Hammerhead]
    #13692648 - 12/27/10 06:53 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Im with fox, IGNORE THE ASSHOLES!!



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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: Rivaman]
    #13692694 - 12/27/10 06:59 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I also get cluster headaches.  Interestingly enough, I haven't had an attack since I started eating shiitake mushrooms every day.  Considering that shiitake have many other health benefits as well, you guys should give growing them a try.
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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13692791 - 12/27/10 07:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I also get cluster headaches.  Interestingly enough, I haven't had an attack since I started eating shiitake mushrooms every day.  Considering that shiitake have many other health benefits as well, you guys should give growing them a try.
RR




i just won a contest and will be getting shiitake75 solution in the mail. i look forward to reading your teks and growing them.:fonz:


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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13692867 - 12/27/10 07:28 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/13

This has info on Medicinal mushrooms. But I dont see a lot of information on treatment of specific conditions.

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    #13693254 - 12/27/10 08:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Disagree. :mib: Refer to all of the other posts above.




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I challenge either of you to produce a single scrap of evidence disproving me. The mycelium covering grains is a very legitimate source of active. By using a method similar to grain LC you can remove more than enough myc. to deal with cluster headaches. By skipping the fruiting phase you decrease time till he gets relief. Ever pulled a cake out of the jar and seen the bruises?

Your sourceless (and wrong) opinions will push back the time till this guy is headache free by a minimum of a week, probably much more since he is just starting.

Rivaman-If you look into spawn preparation you will find that a few simple additions to WBS will give you an excellent substrate for these needs. I would even consider adding a tiny amount of kelp meal and gypsum, they will round out any of the nutritional inadequacies of the bird seed. Also look into the coffee soak of WBS, it could be another excellent supplement. If you would like any help from me I would be more than happy to help. Please feel free to private message me with any questions about what I have described.

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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: NMR.Xochipilli]
    #13693342 - 12/27/10 09:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

but the only way to make sure your growing what you want is to let it fruit.

it's also grains sitting at well about room temp for weeks and it could have lots of bacteria you don't want to take in.


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but the only way to make sure your growing what you want is to let it fruit.

it's also grains sitting at well about room temp for weeks and it could have lots of bacteria you don't want to take in.




Are you kidding? Buy a spore syringe from a reputable source, if it bruises blue it's good.
And what are you talking about with the weeks and lots of bacteria statement? Don't we still PC our jars before inoculation? And why do your jars take weeks?

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the actives in the mycelium are just so insignificant


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but the only way to make sure your growing what you want is to let it fruit.

it's also grains sitting at well about room temp for weeks and it could have lots of bacteria you don't want to take in.




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the actives in the mycelium are just so insignificant




With another week, maybe two, you can do the job right. And quit fuckin' around with half ass'ism. On top of that you wont find yourself gagging down some WBS trying to get your fix like a crack head. Mushrooms are NOT hard to grow, if you just follow the directions of a good tek.

And when trich grows, its mycelium is white. Doesnt turn green until it goes to spore. Not sure what the health consequences are if you eat it, and I dont really want to know. But if you grow a cube or a pan....now those are positively identifiable. With no half ass'ism going on.

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    #13694725 - 12/28/10 04:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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ass'ism.




I nominate that for word of the day... Everyone must try and use it at least once... today.  :grin:

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    #13694745 - 12/28/10 05:02 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Easy on each other guys!...
decided to go down the PF route, and I definately WILL be fruiting as I really need to keep going with it and providing spores for future grow cycles is one of the things i was concerned about.
you've all given great advice, and I appreciate it more than you will ever know!
Thanks again.. who know this time next year I might be using a tek for indoor growing of Libs.. Think the spores are in the root system with those though, not an expert by any means.. Ive just eaten a lot

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    #13694756 - 12/28/10 05:10 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I also get cluster headaches.  Interestingly enough, I haven't had an attack since I started eating shiitake mushrooms every day.  Considering that shiitake have many other health benefits as well, you guys should give growing them a try.
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I am very curious about the properties to Shiitake Mushrooms now... Wish I was a mycochemist/biochemist... I could get rich finding a cure to Cluster Headaches and sell it to the pharmaceutical companies lol(I think RR just nominated my first edible mushroom for me to grow) or maybe RR's Cluster Headaches have been in remission.

RR I got a couple questions for curiosity's sake.
How long has it been since your last episode?
Prior to eating Shiitake Mushrooms. How often would you have episodes?
And roughly how long were your remissions between episodes?
Also what other Mushrooms do you consume on a weekly basis?
How much Shiitake Mushrooms do you eat on a daily basis? (Average)
And have you noticed and increase in your Penis Size? (This question is for the billion dollar wonder drug that can be sold a GNC around the world... Particularly Asia... And Ireland from what I hear)


Rivaman you may find this useful then... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13239030#13239030

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    #13694882 - 12/28/10 06:49 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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The mycelium covering grains is a very legitimate source of active.



Just about as effective as tearing your marijuana plants out of the pot and smoking them as soon as the first pair of leaves appears. Very, very bad advice right there.


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    #13694956 - 12/28/10 07:37 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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On top of that you wont find yourself gagging down some WBS trying to get your fix like a crack head.
And when trich grows, its mycelium is white.




You wouldn't be eating the grains, just as I said before you would remove the myc using the same method as grain LC. And I love how you're concerned by trich, by the time any jar is half colonized you will know it's trich, it's not like it has to consolidate it's hold before it sporulates. I'm glad that you compared fungus to crack, cool dude.

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I really need to keep going with it and providing spores for future grow cycles is one of the things i was concerned about.





Furthermore the turn around time is decreased because you don't have to wait for spore germination, you can use the liquid inoculum to hit another dozen jars before sucking down the rest.

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the actives in the mycelium are just so insignificant



Put up a source.

Rivaman-I would encourage you to pursue fruiting, don't think I was trying to say it's not worth it, it will just prolong time till you are feeling better. If you try a dozen jars then sacrificing one to try this will be total non issue and you might find that it's way faster. This is not half-assed, this is efficient.

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The mycelium covering grains is a very legitimate source of active.



Just about as effective as tearing your marijuana plants out of the pot and smoking them as soon as the first pair of leaves appears. Very, very bad advice right there.




And here this guy wants to once again compare plants and fungus. Don't you know that it would be more accurate to compare humans and fungus, can you say opisthokonta?

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The mycelium covering grains is a very legitimate source of active.



Just about as effective as tearing your marijuana plants out of the pot and smoking them as soon as the first pair of leaves appears. Very, very bad advice right there.




And here this guy wants to once again compare plants and fungus. Don't you know that it would be more accurate to compare humans and fungus, can you say opisthokonta?




I was merely saying that it would be equally futile. Ok, you want me to use a human example instead? It's like sending a 3-year-old to work in a factory. Not very productive. What you are suggesting is that I think plants are in the same kingdom as fungi, which is completely twisting everything I said around, because you are running out of arguments to support your moronic idea of harvesting mycelium. Oh, and BTW, what I did yesterday was exactly the opposite of comparing fungi and plants. More specifically, I said that fungi are NOT plants and don't do photosynthesis (synthesis of an energy carrier utilizing light, e.g. using light as a source of energy). Please tell me if you want me to type slower if you have a hard time following what I am saying.

Go ahead and scrape that 0.003 grams of mycelial network off the rye berries and see if it will make anyone's cluster headaches go away. Or even better yet, make a nice tea out of crumbled PF cakes, like some of the denser n00bs often suggest.
Fact is that while the concentration of active compounds in the mycelium might not be as low as some think, except for in sclerotia producers, the actual biomass you are going to get out of it makes harvesting the mycelium before the fruiting stage to obtain a good amount of psilocybin/psilocin a very moronic and futile endeavor. Because 99% of the fungal biomass that can be put to use by us is in the fruit bodies (again - excluding sclerotia producers).

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    #13696153 - 12/28/10 01:50 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Put up a source.





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    #13696167 - 12/28/10 01:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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The mycelium covering grains is a very legitimate source of active.



Just about as effective as tearing your marijuana plants out of the pot and smoking them as soon as the first pair of leaves appears. Very, very bad advice right there.





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Re: newbie with cluster headaches needs cultivation help [Re: NMR.Xochipilli]
    #13696201 - 12/28/10 02:00 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Put up a source.





It's been well known for a long time that it's not until the start of fruit body formation that most species of the psilocybe genera produce measurable amounts of alkaloids.  With many medicinal species, the mycelium contains the same compounds as the fruits.  This doesn't hold true for the 'actives'.
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    #13696256 - 12/28/10 02:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I hope we can agree on what I am about to say about harvesting the mycelium.

You will have to cultivate MANY MANY JARS in order to get the same amount of product. -Waste of time -Waste of money -Waste of energy -Waste of resources. Just wait the 10-15 days it takes to fruit.

Now I am going to say this as polite as I can because if you look at my ratings people think I got a bad attitude.

NOT ALL IDEAS ARE GOOD ONES. JUST ACCEPT IT. QUIT YOUR PISSING CONTEST. SHUT THE FUCK UP. IF YOU SPENT YOUR ENERGY IN SHOWING HIM PROVEN METHODS ON HOW TO CULTIVATE MUSHROOMS, AS YOU DID TRYING TO EXPLAIN VALIDITY OF YOUR DIP-SHIT IDEA. HE WOULD BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO GROW MUSHROOMS. THEY KEY HERE IS EFFICIENCY. PROVIDE A EFFICIENT OR PROVEN METHOD FOR GETTING THE MOST OUT OF YOUR WORK.

It's like me telling RR... "Hey man you should stop growing and selling Shiitake Mushrooms and just start selling they mycelium for consumption. Because it all contains the same shit dude..."

(Wow... I got a pretty foul mouth for a dentist.)

I really hope you can bring yourself to this rationalize with me.

Now if the guy makes a couple jars extra to use that method to get a temporary relief... I hope he does. But I would not recommend that he uses this method as the solution.

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I hope we can agree on what I am about to say about harvesting the mycelium.

You will have to cultivate MANY MANY JARS in order to get the same amount of product. -Waste of time -Waste of money -Waste of energy -Waste of resources. Just wait the 10-15 days it takes to fruit.

Now I am going to say this as polite as I can because if you look at my ratings people think I got a bad attitude.

NOT ALL IDEAS ARE GOOD ONES. JUST ACCEPT IT. QUIT YOUR PISSING CONTEST. SHUT THE FUCK UP. IF YOU SPENT YOUR ENERGY IN SHOWING HIM PROVEN METHODS ON HOW TO CULTIVATE MUSHROOMS, AS YOU DID TRYING TO EXPLAIN VALIDITY OF YOUR DIP-SHIT IDEA. HE WOULD BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO GROW MUSHROOMS. THEY KEY HERE IS EFFICIENCY. PROVIDE A EFFICIENT METHOD FOR GETTING THE MOST OUT OF YOUR WORK.

It's like me telling RR... "Hey man you should stop growing and selling Shiitake Mushrooms and just start selling they mycelium for consumption. Because it all contains the same shit dude..."

(Wow... I got a pretty foul mouth for a dentist.)

I really hope you can bring yourself to this rationalize with me.

Now if the guy makes a couple jars extra to use that method to get a temporary relief... I hope he does. But I would not recommend that he uses this method as the solution.





i think what RR was saying was mycelium doesent get ya high

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    #13696387 - 12/28/10 02:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Hey RP (Rivaman).

If you need some coaching in the UK, let me know. I'll do what ever it takes to get ya started.

Buy a spore syringe. Some glasses and follow http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek

http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek Is also a good source for showing you how to use drinking glasses instead of jars. Jars  can be expensive here in the UK.

I'm gonna send ya a :pm: too. :super:

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    #13696579 - 12/28/10 03:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

it couldn't hurt to check out some teks on how to grow shiitakes. After RR's reports of success, a cube + shiitake combo may be able to deliver a knockout punch to CH for a very long time. I'm definitely going to give this a try.

Do you think store bought shiitakes would do the trick as well RR?

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    #13696777 - 12/28/10 04:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I am pretty hyped now about Shiitake Mushrooms... RR got me quite interested in them. I dont have any illness with any kind of headaches migraines or CH. But I am human and her the occasional headaches from time to time. I am wondering I eating a Shiitake a day will keep the Headaches away (Like a apple a day will keep the doctor away) and for my sake BRUSH YOUR TEETH twice a day so dont get a headache

Rivaman, Shiitake could be another solution and is worth experiment. But I wouldn't suffer any more than you have to. Personally I would still grow some Cubes to have a proven medicine.

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    #13696840 - 12/28/10 04:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

can't wait to get started!
Had some HBWR seeds tonight and feel pretty rough, a few to many toxins me thinks!
Still at least the shadows have gone!
and with any luck i might get a pain free night (first one in months)
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    #13696854 - 12/28/10 04:30 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

HBWR seeds are rough, the only ones of my friends that can handle them are the ones that
know and manipulate energy like me

i think you should look into edibles also
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    #13696977 - 12/28/10 04:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

on one hand i agree with you about your "reputable source, if it bruises blue it's good." but there was a noob just a couple weeks ago that brought cob-web mold all the way to a SGFC.

the OP has also never grown before and will mostly be staring with a PF tek, and later moving to agar and grain, in which case he will have to wait to fruit anyways.


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