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OfflineBlue_JAY
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It's Ok to say No???
    #1368552 - 03/12/03 09:43 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I have been a daily marijuana smoker for the past 6-7 years. The longest I think I have been without a "hoot" was like 6 days. Now I have met the love of my life. Now, She has quit smoking pot and cigs, she kinda hints to me that she would like me to to the same. I tried to quit smoking cigs but when I get high I always smoke a cig. I really don't like getting high around her, cuz it makes me all stupid, and shit. I love this girl more then these stupid habits. Over the years it seems that I have nothing but stoner friends, and all we do is get high.
Anyone long time smokers quit??? Any pro's and cons for me??? Any hints, tricks, advice, storys?????
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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1368566 - 03/12/03 09:49 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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OfflineBlue_JAY
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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: ]
    #1368671 - 03/12/03 10:22 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You got it all wrong.......

She dosen't care if I quit or not. She has not once nagged or bugged me to quit. I just kinda feel like I'm ready to quit. I was more looking for People to tell me postive things about quiting, and ways to avoid always getting high.


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1368873 - 03/12/03 11:33 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

i quit for 8 monthes, and i have been smoker since 11...pot head since 13 and im 19 now. from 17 to 18 i went a long stretch without pot...well 5 of those monthes were in jail and then i had drug tests for alittle. for those 8 monthes i had alot of clarity. i felt smarter, more ambisious (sp) and more outgoing, im thinking about quitting pot again becuase im getting really lazy. although i dont think i could ever quit cigs


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[Re: phishytrip]
    #1369102 - 03/12/03 12:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)



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OfflineBlue_JAY
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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: matts]
    #1369449 - 03/12/03 02:55 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you Matts
That was exacly what I needed to hear!!!! I am in the same boat you used to be in, and it's time I did a 180 with my life also. Tonight was the first night that I acually turned down my friends. It was hard to say 'No Thanks" when they passed the joint to me, But I did. Then they kept asking me why I didn't wanna get high. I made up a excuse about hating being all "burnt out all the time". I didn't want to tell them the truth becuase there lives revolve around the herb. I felt kinda akward being around them sober when they were all blasted, So Ieft. Thanks again Matts


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1369587 - 03/12/03 03:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Blue JAY, I fell the same way you do. But I'm not doing it because I have a girlfriend, I had a huge anxiety attack the other week and about all week. The whole time, naturally, I thought I was dying. You may or may not know that during a panic attack you have difficulty breathing. Well being the paranoid person I am, I thought I had lung cancer (Ridiculous! I've only been smoking for about 9 months). I was so mad at myself, and only then did I realize how stupid smoking pot is. I looked at my friends in such a different way, some of them are such loosers. Prior to this, I had tried turning down joints before, but its so hard. I mean, you think that peer pressure doesn't really exist, but then when your friends say "why wouldn't you want to get high?" and then offer it for free, for some reason it is impossible to turn it down.

Anyways after I found out they were anxiety attacks, and not lung cancer, and that they were triggered by stress and depression, I realized that this was coming from pot. So I decided this time I really wanted to stop. The next weekend I was able to turn down all the weed I was offered, but my friends looked down on me for it.

The following weekend, I caved, twice in a row (just one more time). The problem is, if I stop altogether, and tell them, they won't understand, and also, I'll end up loosing (basically) my only friends. I mean I have some other non-druggie friends, but they don't have enough in common for me to be friends with out side of school. My best friend moved to the states about a month before I got into this whole pot thing and I can safely say my life would be so different if he hadn't left.

Unfortunatly, giving up my current friends means no more shrooms. I don't wanna trip alone, and honestly these people are funny and cool to hang out with, but would never understand someone hanging out with them who didn't burn all the time (I'd still do it on special occasions - mainly just concerts).

This is going nowhere really, just sort of an example of what peer pressure is like. Anyway, if you wanna stop, the only definite way to do so is to loose your pot smoking friends. Its too awkard being around them when they're high and your sober, so they'll realize that, and eventually would 'abandon' you. Good luck.


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: jarby]
    #1369677 - 03/12/03 04:04 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

"I'll end up loosing (basically) my only friends. I mean I have some other non-druggie friends, but they don't have enough in common for me to be friends with out side of school"


I feel the same way about friends jarby. It's hard being the loner.


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: matts]
    #1369735 - 03/12/03 04:21 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Good for you man ! After the first few times of cannabis intoxication, one doesn't even get 'high' anymore. One quickly incorporates the new state of being and that is that. The years of use after that is just about dumbing down, spacing out, escaping difficult emotions, procrastination, paranoia, apatheia, false hunger, red eyes, etc. In other words, it's just side effects. Meanwhile one becomes increasingly, dumb, lazy, socially and emotionally stunted. I used cannabis from New Years Eve 1969 to sometime in the early 80's. It caused major detours and setbacks. There's nothing to miss about it except it's associations with my teenage and college years.


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1369799 - 03/12/03 04:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

It's good to see I'm not the only one who feels like this:)


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: matts]
    #1369944 - 03/12/03 05:12 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

matts, I think you brought up a lot of really good points, and way to go on quitting smoking pot.. but to call 'pot truly evil'?? I think that's going a little to far.

I used to be a huge fucking pothead, I still smoke a fair bit, but not like I used to. I realized that being a complete chronic is pretty fucking lame if you can't afford it and are still going to school. A lot of my friends are pretty big stoners though, I still associate with them, but if anything their behaviour encourages me to stay a casual smoker. When I see them scraping they're pipes bitching about not having any weed, and having to go to class without a buzz, I just think about the 1/8th sitting in my room that I won't be smoking 'till the weekend. I don't need to get high to go to class, but it's still fun once in awhile.

My dad, who quit smoking for many years, started again, and it's probably the only enjoyment he gets. He makes a lot of money working at his job, but he still supports my mom and my 2 siblings, and to some degree me as well (I live in another town with my grandparents, I stayed here to finish school when they moved) They spend all his money, and he works all day, everyday. I noticed a huge positive change in my dad when he started smoking again, he is a lot more understanding and easy going than he ever was when I was younger. He told me he wished he had never quit, that he would have been a better parent if he was stoned. And while that sounds bad on the surface, it's true.


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1369998 - 03/12/03 05:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I've taken a huge break from pot before. At the time, I was friends with a lot of stoners, but I told them straight out that I needed to take a break. They never hassled me into trying to smoke with them, because they respected my decision, and ANYONE who's your friend should. If I'm smoking up with some people, and I pass to someone, and they say "Nah" then I nod, and pass to whoever wants to smoke. Complete free will. Thankfully I never became friends with the people that sit around all day, do NOTHING but smoke pot and are basically losers. After that break, I one day decided to smoke again. I had proven that I COULD pretty much quit out of nowhere if I needed to. Not many people took me seriously until a few times I turned their offer down for a free smoke.
But basically, if you want to quit, or cut down, tell your friends that smoke "OK, I'm quitting/taking a break, and I need your help to do so. Please don't go pressuring me to smoke when I say no." and they SHOULD say "OK man, that's cool". If not, then ditch them. One of my good friends doesn't smoke pot anymore, and I'm completly fine with that!
And no, pot isn't truly evil. I have recently got my life into gear, and pursuing a career in computers, AND I still smoke pot at least once a week. You can either be a lazy ass and sit around all day and smoke, or you can get out there and get a job that you want.


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Sheepish]
    #1370067 - 03/12/03 05:45 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

^^^^
exact same thing happened to me!! no one beleive that i could take the break, and fuck, you should have seen the joints going around that i passed up! this guy i sorta knew (i had bought acid from him before) came up to my friends apartment shit, and he rolled up one of those huge kulu joints, and he just packed that fucking thing till no more weed could possibly fit it... damn, it was tempting, but i didn't take even one toke. I have a lot of willpower :smile:


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1370076 - 03/12/03 05:48 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

once you realize how awesome life can be without putting any foreign chemicals into your body, running only on the chemicals that your own body naturally produces; quitting pot will not be a hard thing to accomplish.

if you think it's something you really want to do, something that would make you feel better about yourself and happier with you you are, then go for it! and good luck in whatever you choose to do, my friend!

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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1370313 - 03/12/03 06:51 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the advice and support. 5 shrooms to all of u


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    #1371566 - 03/13/03 06:49 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1372011 - 03/13/03 09:29 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

"I'll end up loosing (basically) my only friends. I mean I have some other non-druggie friends, but they don't have enough in common for me to be friends with out side of school"


I feel the same way about friends jarby. It's hard being the loner.




you wont loose friends if you refrain...if they are your friends they always will be...they would respect you and encourage you to do what you wish to do, if that respect isnt there are they your friends. most people you call your friends arent, simple fact, they are time fillers, there are millions out there but how many can you count on...

dont quit associating with them based on the fact you no longer a little weed in common with them, just let them know you wanna be clean for a while.

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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1372152 - 03/13/03 10:14 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Women and love the anti-drug, heh.  Well Blue_Jay I was once in almost the same situation you were except I had been trying to cut back my pot use at the time.  I was a steady pot smoker for about 3 years.  It started out just relaxing and occasionally smoking pot and then it turned into pretty much everything I did.  For about 1 and a half to 2 years my life slowly began to revolve around pot.  Everything I did or wanted to do always involved pot.  It was this mindset where if I wasn't high there wouldn't be anything to do.  Well I wasn't alone this was the same thing with about 4 or 5 of my buddies.  The thought had crossed my mind we were just pot friends because when we sobered up we would just get bored and agitated with each other.  Wow was this a vicious spiral downward.  Fortunately about a year and a half ago I started to realize how badly I needed a break from it.  Everyone was at each others throats and my grades were dropping drastically in school along with my cares for anything besides getting high.  It can really help you escape from reality thats for sure.  I mean don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with pot but I was using it irresponsibly.
   
Well I started to ease off of the weed and slowly start to back out of the circle of pot friends.  At first it was really difficult and hard to say no I don't want to come out and smoke.  Afterall this was a drastic change and I was bored out of my mind for quite some time.  Well I went could turkey and just completely said no to pot for a period of about 4 months.  In this time period I became slightly depressed because I realized how much pot had taken over and negatively impacted my life.  My grades were complete shit and I hadn't really done anything in those 2 years that was entertaining, fun, or even enjoyable except when I was high.  It was all a blur.  Well I looked back on how my friends acted and treated each other and how many of the people whos lives revolved around weed were living, WHOA I realized there was no way I wanted to be like that.  I started to percieve how I must have appeared to anyone I interacted with, a complete idiot who just smoked pot 24/7.  I decided I was going to pursue my interests take the initiative and do something for myself; find what makes me happy and I enjoy doing. 

This was the best choice I could have made and it was much needed.  At first it will be rough and you will be bored and you won't know what to do with yourself.  Calm down, relax, breathe, and enjoy the present; don't focus on the past or the future.  You will probably regret alot of things but thats in the past and just allow it to make you stronger rather than dwell on it.  Whats done is done.  Try hiking, camping, art, music, reading, anything you can think of.  For a while I had NO friends; not a single one.  I didn't have anything in common with anyone unless they smoked.  I realized the only thing I had in common with my old friends was some music and weed.  You have to get out there and interact and talk to people.  You're sure to find people that aggravate you but along with them Im sure you'll find a group of people you can really connect and communicate with. It may seem bad at a period of time and more beneficial to go back to the strictly pot friends but don't, you'll appreciate your choice later.  This is just my opinion but it really helped in my past situation.

My current girlfriend who I have been with almost a year means everything to me.  I have no desire to smoke but I will do other things in moderation.  Pot really blinded me for a period of time, perhaps I was too young and irresponsible.  Just being with her is all I need and as in your situation if im high around her I usually end up wishing I was sober.  I realized how ridiculous and negative some of my old friends.  I have very few friends now but the few are very close friends.  Im not saying to turn into an ignorant yuppy or anything of the sort but maybe just chill with the pot for a bit and let your mind clear then make your decision.  I also used to smoke cigarettes but no longer do that either.  Good Luck, I think your heart will help lead you into a more peaceful enviornment. :smile:
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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1373641 - 03/13/03 07:20 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

F*CK THAT! There aint no way in hell, i would stop smokin bud, because my man wants me too. I see it as..... they knew you did it when they fell in luv with you, so y stop just because they feel like being a lame? Do what you want, you only live once, baby! Smoke up!! :wink:


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1374826 - 03/14/03 06:22 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1374859 - 03/14/03 06:31 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Green Guys 420: If you read past the 2nd post you would see that, this was my idea, not my girls.



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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1375498 - 03/14/03 10:23 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Just wanted to say great thread, I'm a pretty big stoner myself and this has definitely given me some food for thought.

Peace,

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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: ]
    #1376870 - 03/14/03 08:28 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Tonight my friends called and said, they just rolled a 8th in to a cone, and asked if i was comming. I told them I had to work on my car. Now I'm bored out of my mind, and I keep wondering if this quitting this was a good idea. I think the first month or so is gonna be hard. 1 more hour till my gf gets off work..... Thank god!


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1378243 - 03/15/03 01:24 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

matts- you COMPLETELY missed my point.. man, u took what i said totally out of context..

my dad never has claimed to be a great father, in fact he blames himself for a LOT of things that are not his fault.. he just said he thinks he would have been a better parent, and spent more time with me when i was younger, if he hadnt quite smoking pot. My dad has a lot of stress to deal with, and pot helps him deal with it a lot better. I'm really glad i'm not in his situation.. btw.. HIS kids, my brother and sister, who still live with him, have noticed a positive change in him too.. and only my brother knows he smokes, he caught us one time.


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1378472 - 03/15/03 03:03 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Jesus Christ this thread is full of a lot of bullshit.

"matts" seems to be convinced that Marijuana, which grows on the earth, and is smoked for pleasure, is evil. Evil evil evil. Of course, you could say the same thing about Tobacco, but I don't think Tobacco is evil either.

Yeah, right, so lets just associate some "biblical" overtone to a drug, eh? Lets call every drug, "Evil" .. Oh, hey, but what about Viagra? Evil. I guess Tylenol and Aspirin make you feel less pain, so we should make them Evil too. Next we'll have re-takes of Adam Sandler in Waterboy.. "My momma said Denex makes ya tingle like dem 'llegal drugs... My momma says Denex is the devil."

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Pot, if used in excess, will mess your life up.



I'm glad to see you linked some statistics on this one.

You guys want to quit pot? Fine. Just don't tell me it's "evil" because I know it's not, and running another 30-second lie on TV isn't going to make it better. And you talk about quitting weed like you're quitting crack or something. After 3 days without weed, you feel fine again. Oh wow, what a long period to go without a joint. You guys must have the luxury of choosing when you get your pot. Heh.


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Seeka]
    #1380108 - 03/16/03 08:06 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Hey...not everyone values health - physical, mental and spiritual.
Obviously, you're in too much denial yourself, too unreflective of mental and physical symptoms to even recognize the impact on your own psychophysical health, or just too young to know any better. Take a look at your reactive anger to Truth commercials for example. As to your spiritual health - your first two words indicate a complete ignorance of Sacred. The Name means only a profane demonstration of anger to you, and not a care about how offensive it is to millions of people.

Evil is about intentionality, not substance. Nicotine makes a fine insecticide.
Cannabis has limited use for mental and physical health. Tobacco and cannabis have high degrees of carcinogenic toxins. Cannabis stunts emotional and social development, creates apathetic syndrome and severe memory loss, not to mention the inability to dream properly. It interferes with the acquisition of inner peace from the Spiritual Source of peace, which the Bible calls "God." Why pray for 'the peace that passes understanding,' when one can just be numb and dumb?


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    #1380258 - 03/16/03 08:55 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1380259 - 03/16/03 08:55 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, you just spurted out some more bullshit. Please don't think me too harsh, though, because I know that the only way to advance is to be honest with yourself.

I react strongly to the "Truth" commercials (about marijuana) because they are massively-propogated lies. Perhaps you'd like to explain to the TV crowd that just because 50% of drivers have marijuana in their system, this doesn't mean that they are actually under the influence of the marijuana, or that it is harming their driving in any way.

Another one that I love, that is propogated by MADD, the most horrible controlling institution in the world, is the percentage of alchohol-related crashes. Do you know what "alchohol-related" means, folks? That means if you're sober, driving home, your buddy's a little tipsy in the passenger seat, and a tractor trailer pulls out in front of you, you hit it, and suddenly the crash is "alchohol-related" because you were driving home a guy with alchohol in his system.

I don't make this stuff up, guys. You have to watch the way people word things and not what you think they are saying. Based on what they say on those commercials, if I wasn't more educated, I wouldn't smoke reefer. And that's because, hey, they've connected it to cigarettes, which everybody hates. Did you know that pot was FOUR times worse than cigarettes? They've said that it causes auto-crashes, which links it to alchohol, which a lot of people hate. They've made it illegal, and most people in this country (US) are convinced that legal = right. Oh, and if you smoke pot, your parents will ground you and you won't be able to go outside and play. And if you light up that joint, you're supporting terrorism. Do you want to be an arab? Or on the government's watch list? You don't? Then don't smoke pot!

Heh, I could make a comedy show out of this shit. As I said before, if you want to quit smoking weed, that's fine, but I can't sit back and watch as some kids come on this site looking for answers and instead come across potent political brainwashing.

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Cannabis stunts emotional and social development, creates apathetic syndrome and severe memory loss, not to mention the inability to dream properly.



The inability to dream properly? Well, how about the inability to dream at all? Weed helps me go to sleep, which means that without it, I might be stuck staring at the ceiling for an extra hour before I finally doze off. It might not seem like much time to you, but you're not the one with an insane circadian clock. Anyway, that's a good chunk of BS there. You should send that to the guys who shoot commercials.. It'll make the Times..

"New 'study' out finds that marijuana reduces REM sleep" ...


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: matts]
    #1380422 - 03/16/03 09:42 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Seeka,

We are not talking about the lies on TV or the religious or moral issues associated with marijuana.

We are talking about the harmful effects of marijuana addiction. Don't go off topic.



Dear matts:

I was replying to the people who said marijuana was bad for XXX reasons.. And why they were lies, and giving other examples of lies (TV commercials).

You should be appreciative I'm giving two sides to the story. Would you like to be given advice from only one perspective? I sure hope not. I know PLENTY of people who smoke pot on a daily basis and carry on their daily lives flawlessly. One guy I know is the CFO of a big well-known telecommunications company. He's apparently successful because he doesn't lie to himself.

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There is no physical addiction with pot, but there is a very serious mental addiction. People who smoke all day get used to the mindset...when they quit, they get very edgy...there is a withdrawl to pot...when you experience it you will think differently. It's very subtle.



lol, I smoked a half-oz in a couple hrs one time and decided to quit for a while afterwards.. after a day or two I felt fine again and didn't crave it at all. I guess you guys can say that marijuana isn't for everybody. You have to be strong enough mentally to break off "addictions." I don't find any particular difficulty in quitting marijuana, I just chose to continue smoking it. I could quit in an instant if I wanted to, and caffeine withdrawl is worse than marijuana withdrawl, if you ask me.

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Most people who have jobs do...most potheads don't have jobs.



It's funny you're responding to me on this question, because you totally misunderstood my point. I don't have control of when the weed comes around. When it does, I most certainly have money for it, because I have a job. I go to work 40 hours a week. And I'm still a "pothead." Why is this? It's because pot really isn't that harmful. If you've had bad experiences with it, I'm forced to conclude that it is you that is weak in character and not the marijuana that is hard to quit itself.

However, that's "ok", because you're joining a ton of other people with weak realities who don't know what to blame, the drug or themselves... In essence, if you do fit this description, you are "normal"... Well, doesn't it feel good? Didn't you always WANT to be normal?

"Daddy he once told me, 'Son, you be hard-working man,' and Momma, she once told me, 'Son, you do the best you can,' but then one day, I met a man, who came to me and said, 'Hard work good, and hard work fine, but first take care of head.'"


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: matts]
    #1381281 - 03/16/03 02:27 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Seems My thread has caused quite a pickle......lol


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1381292 - 03/16/03 02:34 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

man, i havent read others peoples post about this, but i'ma give you my opinion. you want to quit. it's obvious from what yer saying. you want others support in quitting, i believe. so do it man! quit! make this girl happy by quitting. no amount of drugs can give you the bliss that giving others bliss can bring :-)


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: matts]
    #1381312 - 03/16/03 02:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Are you saying that implies to everyone? I quit when I feel the need to test myself, weeks, months.. Its not hard at all, i am never worried about pot addiction. I just continue to smoke it because i'm a loser by societies standards, so trying to make potheads look like a bunch of misfits is fine with me. Its not my fault you don't understand and you choose to label and carry out your judgements.


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Seeka]
    #1381484 - 03/16/03 03:52 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry Charlie, the bullshit belongs to you. I DO have accurate epidemiological statistics available, not, as you so paranoically put it, "massively propogated [sic] lies." I am a certified (nbcc) Master Addictions Counselor, working in the field for 20 years, and employed for the past 17 years by the 4th largest school system in the US as an addictions specialist. Driving under the influence of cannabis does cut way back on reaction time. This I know because I was driving under its influence long before you were born - in addition to the empirical evidence.

Can't sleep at night? Try finding out what the problem is instead of creating a worse case of cannabis dependence. I'm not into politics, or brainwashing, but you are pretty much convinced that drug dependence is OK, so who is free and who is brainwashed here? If you're still talking about being grounded by one's parents, then you're showing not only the folly of your youth, but your immaturity by attempting to maintain an argument on the benefits of having a drug problem.

None of this is a comedy. Stick around a few more decades and let life clue you into how it really is with addiction and drug-related death. The longer you're on Earth, the more you'll be able to experience. You won't have uninformed teenage opinions by the time you get to full adulthood, unless to smoke yourself into retardation.


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: matts]
    #1381673 - 03/16/03 05:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Right. Pot led me to 'Higher' things, not 'lower' things. Appreciation of the senses, appreciation for the mind, and appreciation for the Spirit - which results in great inner Freedom, and Freedom means free from dependency, from enslavement to vices, to what merely feels good, even if it's not good for you. Something is not good for you if it leads you AWAY from greater Freedom. As Alan Watts used to say: "Once you get the message, put down the phone."


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1382201 - 03/16/03 11:07 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

What does your gut feeling say you should do?


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Fliquid]
    #1383773 - 03/17/03 11:50 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

To quit or at least cut down. It has been a couple days since I have got high, and I feel great. My head seems to be very clear, not all cloudy (If that makes sense). It was weird not getting high on my lunch break today. I used to get high like 4-5 a day.


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    #1383833 - 03/17/03 12:09 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Most drugs can be used for good or evil.  It is not the drug, it's the person.

 



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    #1383980 - 03/17/03 12:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Agreed


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    #1384070 - 03/17/03 01:03 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

hehe you are one cool old dude. i'd be awesome to smoke a bowl with ya =)


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1384254 - 03/17/03 02:02 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

This post really made me think. When I first began smoking marijuana, I did it daily, before work, during work, pretty much all the time. Then I decided to cut down and I stopped smoking before and during work, and wake and bakes. I decided to never smoke if I had work to do. Smoking was my motivation to do the work, and not a bad motivator at that, but recently I've had no motivation. I've decided, from reading this, that I'm going to stop smoking on weekdays and instead only smoke on the weekends when I have nothing to do and no work to do.


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: matts]
    #1385175 - 03/17/03 06:07 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Depends on how the drug is used. I used Marijuana 5 times a day, sometimes more. I felt I needed it just to get my day started. Smoking once and a while isn't bad at all.


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    #1385226 - 03/17/03 06:18 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: matts]
    #1386679 - 03/18/03 05:37 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

It's the obsession that's bad(evil is kind of an extreme term) not the pot.

If pot was bad it would be that way for everybody. I smoke pot every once in awhile(like every couple months) and I have absolutally no bad effect's from it. When I was young I smoked it all the time and it did get in the way of me accomplishing thing's. This wasn't the weed's fault it was mine. My approach to it's use was what determines if it was positive or negative.As far as it having a negative effect on most people, in my world I see just as many people who get positive result's from smoking. This depends on the person and the habit or lack of. Again the pot doesn't choose this the person does. Again it all depend's on the person. If I take my car and drive it down the sidewalk and run over a bunch of people is it the car's fault or mine? Car's kill more people each year than pot ever has yet we don't look at them as "evil". It's the driver or user that causes the negative impact and this is the same with pot.

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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: matts]
    #1387496 - 03/18/03 10:25 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think marijuana is bad...but I admit to having a psychological addiction to it. I think it may be a co-dependent thing, as my live in boyfriend and I are exactly the same way when it comes to the amount of weed we smoke. I've been telling myself for awhile that I need to cut back, but when you have someone else there who won't stand behind your decision to quit for awhile, its extremely hard. Its not exactly interfering with my academic life in an negative way, I still have above a 3.5 grade average. I just feel like its controlling my life and I'm about ready to put a stop to that.


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    #1389597 - 03/19/03 12:16 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Didn't you quit smoking pot?


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    #1389599 - 03/19/03 12:20 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I quit smoking pot a while ago...

I was about 4 or 5 months old back then...  :grin: 


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