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OfflineBlue_JAY
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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1374859 - 03/14/03 06:31 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Green Guys 420: If you read past the 2nd post you would see that, this was my idea, not my girls.



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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1375498 - 03/14/03 10:23 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Just wanted to say great thread, I'm a pretty big stoner myself and this has definitely given me some food for thought.

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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: ]
    #1376870 - 03/14/03 08:28 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Tonight my friends called and said, they just rolled a 8th in to a cone, and asked if i was comming. I told them I had to work on my car. Now I'm bored out of my mind, and I keep wondering if this quitting this was a good idea. I think the first month or so is gonna be hard. 1 more hour till my gf gets off work..... Thank god!


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1378243 - 03/15/03 01:24 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

matts- you COMPLETELY missed my point.. man, u took what i said totally out of context..

my dad never has claimed to be a great father, in fact he blames himself for a LOT of things that are not his fault.. he just said he thinks he would have been a better parent, and spent more time with me when i was younger, if he hadnt quite smoking pot. My dad has a lot of stress to deal with, and pot helps him deal with it a lot better. I'm really glad i'm not in his situation.. btw.. HIS kids, my brother and sister, who still live with him, have noticed a positive change in him too.. and only my brother knows he smokes, he caught us one time.


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1378472 - 03/15/03 03:03 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Jesus Christ this thread is full of a lot of bullshit.

"matts" seems to be convinced that Marijuana, which grows on the earth, and is smoked for pleasure, is evil. Evil evil evil. Of course, you could say the same thing about Tobacco, but I don't think Tobacco is evil either.

Yeah, right, so lets just associate some "biblical" overtone to a drug, eh? Lets call every drug, "Evil" .. Oh, hey, but what about Viagra? Evil. I guess Tylenol and Aspirin make you feel less pain, so we should make them Evil too. Next we'll have re-takes of Adam Sandler in Waterboy.. "My momma said Denex makes ya tingle like dem 'llegal drugs... My momma says Denex is the devil."

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Pot, if used in excess, will mess your life up.



I'm glad to see you linked some statistics on this one.

You guys want to quit pot? Fine. Just don't tell me it's "evil" because I know it's not, and running another 30-second lie on TV isn't going to make it better. And you talk about quitting weed like you're quitting crack or something. After 3 days without weed, you feel fine again. Oh wow, what a long period to go without a joint. You guys must have the luxury of choosing when you get your pot. Heh.


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Seeka]
    #1380108 - 03/16/03 08:06 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Hey...not everyone values health - physical, mental and spiritual.
Obviously, you're in too much denial yourself, too unreflective of mental and physical symptoms to even recognize the impact on your own psychophysical health, or just too young to know any better. Take a look at your reactive anger to Truth commercials for example. As to your spiritual health - your first two words indicate a complete ignorance of Sacred. The Name means only a profane demonstration of anger to you, and not a care about how offensive it is to millions of people.

Evil is about intentionality, not substance. Nicotine makes a fine insecticide.
Cannabis has limited use for mental and physical health. Tobacco and cannabis have high degrees of carcinogenic toxins. Cannabis stunts emotional and social development, creates apathetic syndrome and severe memory loss, not to mention the inability to dream properly. It interferes with the acquisition of inner peace from the Spiritual Source of peace, which the Bible calls "God." Why pray for 'the peace that passes understanding,' when one can just be numb and dumb?


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[Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1380258 - 03/16/03 08:55 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1380259 - 03/16/03 08:55 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, you just spurted out some more bullshit. Please don't think me too harsh, though, because I know that the only way to advance is to be honest with yourself.

I react strongly to the "Truth" commercials (about marijuana) because they are massively-propogated lies. Perhaps you'd like to explain to the TV crowd that just because 50% of drivers have marijuana in their system, this doesn't mean that they are actually under the influence of the marijuana, or that it is harming their driving in any way.

Another one that I love, that is propogated by MADD, the most horrible controlling institution in the world, is the percentage of alchohol-related crashes. Do you know what "alchohol-related" means, folks? That means if you're sober, driving home, your buddy's a little tipsy in the passenger seat, and a tractor trailer pulls out in front of you, you hit it, and suddenly the crash is "alchohol-related" because you were driving home a guy with alchohol in his system.

I don't make this stuff up, guys. You have to watch the way people word things and not what you think they are saying. Based on what they say on those commercials, if I wasn't more educated, I wouldn't smoke reefer. And that's because, hey, they've connected it to cigarettes, which everybody hates. Did you know that pot was FOUR times worse than cigarettes? They've said that it causes auto-crashes, which links it to alchohol, which a lot of people hate. They've made it illegal, and most people in this country (US) are convinced that legal = right. Oh, and if you smoke pot, your parents will ground you and you won't be able to go outside and play. And if you light up that joint, you're supporting terrorism. Do you want to be an arab? Or on the government's watch list? You don't? Then don't smoke pot!

Heh, I could make a comedy show out of this shit. As I said before, if you want to quit smoking weed, that's fine, but I can't sit back and watch as some kids come on this site looking for answers and instead come across potent political brainwashing.

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As to your spiritual health - your first two words indicate a complete ignorance of Sacred.



I don't know who said, I wish I did, but I'm quoting it for you:

Religion is for those who are afraid to go to hell, Spirituality is for those who have already been there.

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Nicotine makes a fine insecticide.



Ban all insecticides! We must protect the children!?

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Cannabis stunts emotional and social development, creates apathetic syndrome and severe memory loss, not to mention the inability to dream properly.



The inability to dream properly? Well, how about the inability to dream at all? Weed helps me go to sleep, which means that without it, I might be stuck staring at the ceiling for an extra hour before I finally doze off. It might not seem like much time to you, but you're not the one with an insane circadian clock. Anyway, that's a good chunk of BS there. You should send that to the guys who shoot commercials.. It'll make the Times..

"New 'study' out finds that marijuana reduces REM sleep" ...


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[Re: Seeka]
    #1380284 - 03/16/03 09:02 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: matts]
    #1380422 - 03/16/03 09:42 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Seeka,

We are not talking about the lies on TV or the religious or moral issues associated with marijuana.

We are talking about the harmful effects of marijuana addiction. Don't go off topic.



Dear matts:

I was replying to the people who said marijuana was bad for XXX reasons.. And why they were lies, and giving other examples of lies (TV commercials).

You should be appreciative I'm giving two sides to the story. Would you like to be given advice from only one perspective? I sure hope not. I know PLENTY of people who smoke pot on a daily basis and carry on their daily lives flawlessly. One guy I know is the CFO of a big well-known telecommunications company. He's apparently successful because he doesn't lie to himself.

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There is no physical addiction with pot, but there is a very serious mental addiction. People who smoke all day get used to the mindset...when they quit, they get very edgy...there is a withdrawl to pot...when you experience it you will think differently. It's very subtle.



lol, I smoked a half-oz in a couple hrs one time and decided to quit for a while afterwards.. after a day or two I felt fine again and didn't crave it at all. I guess you guys can say that marijuana isn't for everybody. You have to be strong enough mentally to break off "addictions." I don't find any particular difficulty in quitting marijuana, I just chose to continue smoking it. I could quit in an instant if I wanted to, and caffeine withdrawl is worse than marijuana withdrawl, if you ask me.

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Most people who have jobs do...most potheads don't have jobs.



It's funny you're responding to me on this question, because you totally misunderstood my point. I don't have control of when the weed comes around. When it does, I most certainly have money for it, because I have a job. I go to work 40 hours a week. And I'm still a "pothead." Why is this? It's because pot really isn't that harmful. If you've had bad experiences with it, I'm forced to conclude that it is you that is weak in character and not the marijuana that is hard to quit itself.

However, that's "ok", because you're joining a ton of other people with weak realities who don't know what to blame, the drug or themselves... In essence, if you do fit this description, you are "normal"... Well, doesn't it feel good? Didn't you always WANT to be normal?

"Daddy he once told me, 'Son, you be hard-working man,' and Momma, she once told me, 'Son, you do the best you can,' but then one day, I met a man, who came to me and said, 'Hard work good, and hard work fine, but first take care of head.'"


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    #1380790 - 03/16/03 12:01 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: matts]
    #1381281 - 03/16/03 02:27 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Seems My thread has caused quite a pickle......lol


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1381292 - 03/16/03 02:34 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

man, i havent read others peoples post about this, but i'ma give you my opinion. you want to quit. it's obvious from what yer saying. you want others support in quitting, i believe. so do it man! quit! make this girl happy by quitting. no amount of drugs can give you the bliss that giving others bliss can bring :-)


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: matts]
    #1381312 - 03/16/03 02:47 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Are you saying that implies to everyone? I quit when I feel the need to test myself, weeks, months.. Its not hard at all, i am never worried about pot addiction. I just continue to smoke it because i'm a loser by societies standards, so trying to make potheads look like a bunch of misfits is fine with me. Its not my fault you don't understand and you choose to label and carry out your judgements.


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Seeka]
    #1381484 - 03/16/03 03:52 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry Charlie, the bullshit belongs to you. I DO have accurate epidemiological statistics available, not, as you so paranoically put it, "massively propogated [sic] lies." I am a certified (nbcc) Master Addictions Counselor, working in the field for 20 years, and employed for the past 17 years by the 4th largest school system in the US as an addictions specialist. Driving under the influence of cannabis does cut way back on reaction time. This I know because I was driving under its influence long before you were born - in addition to the empirical evidence.

Can't sleep at night? Try finding out what the problem is instead of creating a worse case of cannabis dependence. I'm not into politics, or brainwashing, but you are pretty much convinced that drug dependence is OK, so who is free and who is brainwashed here? If you're still talking about being grounded by one's parents, then you're showing not only the folly of your youth, but your immaturity by attempting to maintain an argument on the benefits of having a drug problem.

None of this is a comedy. Stick around a few more decades and let life clue you into how it really is with addiction and drug-related death. The longer you're on Earth, the more you'll be able to experience. You won't have uninformed teenage opinions by the time you get to full adulthood, unless to smoke yourself into retardation.


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    #1381527 - 03/16/03 04:13 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: matts]
    #1381673 - 03/16/03 05:08 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Right. Pot led me to 'Higher' things, not 'lower' things. Appreciation of the senses, appreciation for the mind, and appreciation for the Spirit - which results in great inner Freedom, and Freedom means free from dependency, from enslavement to vices, to what merely feels good, even if it's not good for you. Something is not good for you if it leads you AWAY from greater Freedom. As Alan Watts used to say: "Once you get the message, put down the phone."


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1382201 - 03/16/03 11:07 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

What does your gut feeling say you should do?


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Re: It's Ok to say No??? [Re: Fliquid]
    #1383773 - 03/17/03 11:50 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

To quit or at least cut down. It has been a couple days since I have got high, and I feel great. My head seems to be very clear, not all cloudy (If that makes sense). It was weird not getting high on my lunch break today. I used to get high like 4-5 a day.


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