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thetechnician


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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. *DELETED* [Re: thetechnician]
#13730343 - 01/04/11 04:26 PM (14 years, 15 days ago) |
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SB-2
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: thetechnician]
#13730634 - 01/04/11 05:09 PM (14 years, 15 days ago) |
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C02 doesn't sink to the bottom of the SGFC's? My C02 PPM is substantially higher near the floor than at chest height. Why is that if C02 does not sink in an open air environment? The perlite is just there to make sure no water collects on the bottom to become stagnant, mostly. if you ran this with no perlite on the bottom it would accumulate a lot more moisture than you would want on the walls of the enclosure...the dry perlite makes sure that doesn't happen.
I'm not looking to grow a lot of shrooms, this should suffice just fine for my purposes. 
It's funny you mentioned the drying thing. I actually tweaked the setup to run 15 minutes every 3 hours instead of every 2...usually drops the humidity to 93-95% before going back up to 99%. I also fluctuate temps from 68f-74f for fruiting, although this happens naturally since the room gets colder at night 
There is no dripping from the pipes onto the cakes/casings, I don't put things directly under the pipe.
Here is a pic of the progress.
The bowl on the bottom right was put in 5 days ago, the one on the bottom left was put in 4 days ago, and the one on the top right was put in 3 days ago. They went straight in after the coir-verm was applied, no incubation. You can see the mycelium on the bottom two very clearly, especially the one that has been in for 5 days. Hard to tell in the pic, but the mycelium has permeated most of the coir-verm on top.
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Edited by SB-2 (01/04/11 05:12 PM)
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: SB-2]
#13730683 - 01/04/11 05:19 PM (14 years, 15 days ago) |
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SB-2 said: C02 doesn't sink to the bottom of the SGFC's? My C02 PPM is substantially higher near the floor than at chest height. Why is that if C02 does not sink in an open air environment? The perlite is just there to make sure no water collects on the bottom to become stagnant, mostly. if you ran this with no perlite on the bottom it would accumulate a lot more moisture than you would want on the walls of the enclosure...the dry perlite makes sure that doesn't happen. [/url]
How are you measuring that?
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: Alby]
#13730799 - 01/04/11 05:37 PM (14 years, 15 days ago) |
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Alby said:
How are you measuring that?
http://www.co2meter.com/collections/portable/products/tim10-co2-temperature-humidity-monitor
Great product, btw. It does everythign I need it to do and it was a lot cheaper than other C02 meters. I bought it for a different purpose, but it works well here too, I imagine. I don't keep it in the SGFC's because of the high humidity in case it could cause a short (Probably senseless paranoia)
-------------------- Let the poor not tear down the fortune of the rich, but fervently build fortune of their own.
Tired of fruiting chambers, glove boxes, and flow hoods?
Tired of getting a few shrooms after all your hard work?
Tired of war, poverty, world hunger, and the government?
...Then check out my lazy grower's guide!
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thetechnician


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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: SB-2]
#13730819 - 01/04/11 05:42 PM (14 years, 15 days ago) |
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Sorry, here's a better link to the CO2 theory.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13133566
Wow! That's a neat little device! Expensive, but very cool. If I were you, I'd definitely only let it sit in the FC for a few minutes a day. Seems like you're already doing that though.. Not paranoia.. electronics, and moisture don't mix!
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: SB-2]
#13731016 - 01/04/11 06:19 PM (14 years, 15 days ago) |
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Oh boy...after putting that into the search and seeing how redundant this argument is, let's just leave it alone and chalk it up to colder air near the floor (Very true in this particular room) or something like that.
Back to my cased rye...being that the mycelium is colonizing the casing layer, should I just leave it in fruiting conditions? That is what I planned to do. If so, how soon should I expect pinning once the casing layer completely colonizes?
-------------------- Let the poor not tear down the fortune of the rich, but fervently build fortune of their own.
Tired of fruiting chambers, glove boxes, and flow hoods?
Tired of getting a few shrooms after all your hard work?
Tired of war, poverty, world hunger, and the government?
...Then check out my lazy grower's guide!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15123541
Edited by SB-2 (01/04/11 06:59 PM)
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k00laid
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: SB-2]
#13734378 - 01/05/11 09:54 AM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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casing layers should not be fully colonized.
you might as well have just spawned your rye to a bulk substrate
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: k00laid]
#13734448 - 01/05/11 10:22 AM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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I see no good reason for automating a shotgun. I do build Martha's that are automated, But thats for the more experienced growers. I am a ferm believer, that a noobie should start with a basic SGFC. I believe one should experience manually taking care of their SGFC, before attempting something like that. I am not saying it wont work. If that set up was at my house, I can guarantee I could get it to work, with manimal tweaking. The main tweaking I would do, Is put the Humidifier on a light timer. I would probably start with 15 minutes on, and 4 to 6 hours off. I do something similar on my SGFC, I run a humidifier in the same room as my SGFC. I usually do this in the winter, because it gets so dry. So my answer is yes it will work, with some tweaking, but not a good idea for noobies.
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: roaddog]
#13734928 - 01/05/11 12:15 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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sweet setup! i run an autogun myself. you didnt mention the following links so i assume you werent aware of them. this has been done before, but theres always room for improvement.
wattballasts setup
Automated shelf shotgun project
heres some pics of the one i'm running-
    here's my writeup of mine.
nice system, they can work, you just have to dial it in.
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: Fungal growth]
#13734972 - 01/05/11 12:24 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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As stated and discussed several times before, the ultrasonic humidifier does run on a timer. I'm now at 15 minutes every 3 hours, and still maintaining 100% humidity.
I'd like to do a regular SGFC for experience, but I'm not able to devote the time needed.
Some interesting ideas at those links...
On the colonized casing question, should I just let it fruit now?
-------------------- Let the poor not tear down the fortune of the rich, but fervently build fortune of their own.
Tired of fruiting chambers, glove boxes, and flow hoods?
Tired of getting a few shrooms after all your hard work?
Tired of war, poverty, world hunger, and the government?
...Then check out my lazy grower's guide!
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: SB-2]
#13735031 - 01/05/11 12:37 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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the only casing i do is with straight verm at birth. i do know a casing should'nt have enough nutes to colonize, so i would probably fruit it. a fully colonized casing cant do its job, i wouldnt think. as to timing, i run mine 15m on 1h45m off. seems to be the sweet spot.
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: Fungal growth]
#13735042 - 01/05/11 12:41 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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SGFC do not need time devoted.
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: Fungal growth]
#13735053 - 01/05/11 12:43 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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any fruiting chamber is subject to ambient conditions. Meaning If its really dry outside, You will have to compensate, by adding more humidity, and the opposite, on the latter.
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: k00laid]
#13735076 - 01/05/11 12:50 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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k00laid said: SGFC do not need time devoted.
i devote less time to my automated system than i did with my regular shotty, but nothing is completely automated. i check on it at least once a day simply because i'm interested. but i can leave it for days without checking it and with better results than a manual sg. in hindsight, i dunno if i would have spent the cash on a system like this. monotubs are much cheaper and need even less attention than an auto sg. but i DO have an automated system, and it works great, i might as well use it.
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: Fungal growth]
#13735177 - 01/05/11 01:12 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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monos / msg ftw
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: k00laid]
#13736669 - 01/05/11 05:53 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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You COULD just never touch a normal SGFC, but one of those gets WAY less fresh air exchange than one of mine, which has more than 2x as many holes drilled in it on top of the humidifier pumping air in. The nice thing is, you can drill as many holes as you want to a point and just compensate with the ultrasonic...running it on the absolute lowest setting 15 minutes out of every 4 hours right now, and still maintaining 95-99% humidity. maintained constant 99% 15 minutes out of every 2 hours.
Anyway, a SGFC could be considered automated, it just wouldn't work as well as this if you were comparing the results when little/no effort is put into maintaining proper conditions.
Remember people, I'm not claiming to have invented some kind of miracle device...there are better ways to grow mushrooms, but this is mine, and I think it works very well in my situation (Very little time and a hectic/unpredictable schedule).
-------------------- Let the poor not tear down the fortune of the rich, but fervently build fortune of their own.
Tired of fruiting chambers, glove boxes, and flow hoods?
Tired of getting a few shrooms after all your hard work?
Tired of war, poverty, world hunger, and the government?
...Then check out my lazy grower's guide!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15123541
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: SB-2]
#13933117 - 02/09/11 11:31 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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SB-2 said: You COULD just never touch a normal SGFC, but one of those gets WAY less fresh air exchange than one of mine, which has more than 2x as many holes drilled in it on top of the humidifier pumping air in. The nice thing is, you can drill as many holes as you want to a point and just compensate with the ultrasonic...running it on the absolute lowest setting 15 minutes out of every 4 hours right now, and still maintaining 95-99% humidity. maintained constant 99% 15 minutes out of every 2 hours.
Anyway, a SGFC could be considered automated, it just wouldn't work as well as this if you were comparing the results when little/no effort is put into maintaining proper conditions.
Remember people, I'm not claiming to have invented some kind of miracle device...there are better ways to grow mushrooms, but this is mine, and I think it works very well in my situation (Very little time and a hectic/unpredictable schedule).
I want to see pics of the results.
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: SB-2]
#15986855 - 03/23/12 05:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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how did this idea work out for you? i recently bought a vicks warm steam vapourizer, i realised it gives off too much heat over time, but was thinking of maybe running it on a similar schedule as you have. Does your US create a lot of heat from the vapour? have you any pictures of a successful yield?
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: SB-2]
#16196257 - 05/07/12 06:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Same here
I drilled a lot of holes, and I use an ultrasonic to keep humidity. No perlite, and a lot of fresh air. This is what I should have done from the beginning.
Yeah and btw, I don't even have to dunk and roll....I keep the humidity so saturated at the beginning, the cakes have plenty of water. I don't see any difference with the cakes I've dunkNrolled before.
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Re: Cheap Automatic SGFC for Newbs...and maybe for advanced growers. [Re: F4113N]
#16196312 - 05/07/12 06:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is an old thread and there is a reason he never posted pics of his fruits bc it didn't work and also that's why this thread died over a year ago
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