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Horsewithnoname
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: c1dh3d]
#12256614 - 03/23/10 04:31 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why do people love to make a distinction between self exploration and recreation? I mean its like taking the fun out of the psychedelic experience.
What i've learned from this experience is that one should try to learn as much as you can from tripping but having fun while at it, for me thats really what its all about.
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SummerDaisies
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Horsewithnoname said: Why do people love to make a distinction between self exploration and recreation? I mean its like taking the fun out of the psychedelic experience.
What i've learned from this experience is that one should try to learn as much as you can from tripping but having fun while at it, for me thats really what its all about.
i know a lot of people who do not believe in tripping for fun
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: c1dh3d]
#12256657 - 03/23/10 04:38 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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For me all my trips have been both recreational and for self exploration. I always take them excited for a good time, but i also remain open to realizations. It seems like i have learned something on all of my trips.
As for the person who talked about people being stupid to believe things thought of psychedelics, i think you have a point. Some people seem to take the stuff wayyy to seriously.
I don't believe in some of the more "magical" things some trippers do. Psychedelics have taught me confidence in myself. They have also given me a more positive outlook on life, a more open mind, and a greater respect for nature.
Lastly, i will say this. I have had positive experiences on more than just psychs. MDMA and amphetamine have given me greater confidence and happiness by showing me what extreme confidence and happiness is like. I used to think i was confident and happy, but then realized how much more confident and happy i could be!
I also don't see anything wrong with occasional recreational use of less useful drugs. As long as you aren't addicted or hurting yourself I believe it's ok in moderation.
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Shad0w
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: SummerDaisies]
#12256673 - 03/23/10 04:41 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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SummerDaisies said:
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Horsewithnoname said: Why do people love to make a distinction between self exploration and recreation? I mean its like taking the fun out of the psychedelic experience.
What i've learned from this experience is that one should try to learn as much as you can from tripping but having fun while at it, for me thats really what its all about.
i know a lot of people who do not believe in tripping for fun
Are they all shroomery members? 
Enjoying recreational drugs for the pleasure and happy feelings......
And,
Taking drugs for the loosening effect that they have on parts of your mind that are difficult for your concious to reach....
Dont have to be mutually exclusive ideas.
Maybe the best choice in a VS. between having a good time, or learning about yourself......... is not to make a choice at all.
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SummerDaisies
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: Shad0w]
#12256730 - 03/23/10 04:49 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shad0w said:
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SummerDaisies said:
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Horsewithnoname said: Why do people love to make a distinction between self exploration and recreation? I mean its like taking the fun out of the psychedelic experience.
What i've learned from this experience is that one should try to learn as much as you can from tripping but having fun while at it, for me thats really what its all about.
i know a lot of people who do not believe in tripping for fun
Are they all shroomery members? 
Enjoying recreational drugs for the pleasure and happy feelings......
And,
Taking drugs for the loosening effect that they have on parts of your mind that are difficult for your concious to reach....
Dont have to be mutually exclusive ideas.
Maybe the best choice in a VS. between having a good time, or learning about yourself......... is not to make a choice at all. 
no none of them,
they hate the shroomery because they feel like most people here abuse psychedelics
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c1dh3d
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: 4896744]
#12256776 - 03/23/10 04:56 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think that every drug should be used originally for fun/recreation, and let self exploration be part of the experience.
I can understand using certain reagants for ritualistic, religious, and spiritual reasons. I don't personally myself, but it is understandable.
It should also be completely understandable to use this mind altering substance for recreation, like any other mind altering substance out there that almost everyone in society does abuse.
My original point was based on thinking the title said "self-realization" instead of exploration, because that can seriously break your brain - ever heard of people going up on a trip and never coming back down?
Bottom line - Make mushrooms a vacation from reality, not a business trip ; )
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c1dh3d
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: SummerDaisies]
#12256808 - 03/23/10 05:01 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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SummerDaisies said:
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Horsewithnoname said: Why do people love to make a distinction between self exploration and recreation? I mean its like taking the fun out of the psychedelic experience.
What i've learned from this experience is that one should try to learn as much as you can from tripping but having fun while at it, for me thats really what its all about.
i know a lot of people who do not believe in tripping for fun
Are they all shroomery members? 
Enjoying recreational drugs for the pleasure and happy feelings......
And,
Taking drugs for the loosening effect that they have on parts of your mind that are difficult for your concious to reach....
Dont have to be mutually exclusive ideas.
Maybe the best choice in a VS. between having a good time, or learning about yourself......... is not to make a choice at all. 
no none of them,
they hate the shroomery because they feel like most people here abuse psychedelics
That's like bitching about me wasting gas that I paid for, with the money I worked for, to take a pleasure cruise in my car. What the hell business is it of yours or theirs what I do with the things that I have worked for?
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SummerDaisies
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: c1dh3d]
#12256870 - 03/23/10 05:11 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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no its not the same because a car is not a religious sacrament to anyone
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c1dh3d
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: SummerDaisies]
#12256907 - 03/23/10 05:16 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm not religious
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SummerDaisies
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: c1dh3d]
#12256930 - 03/23/10 05:20 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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it doesn't matter if you are or not. i am not religious either...
but for example some people view peyote as a religious sacrament and only take it for religious purposes, if you come along and start abusing the thing that is sacred to them... they probably wont like that. understand?
personally i believe in balance
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redgreenvines
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it's about medicine the idea should be medicinal, i.e. for healing mind and body
well being is what feels good, but this is not guaranteed - some medicine has to make you feel bad to deal with crappy stuff that is clogging you up.
dosing correctly for a medicinal adjustment takes some experience and appropriate expectation.
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c1dh3d
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: redgreenvines]
#12257009 - 03/23/10 05:29 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I get what your saying, but that's like some christians getting their panties in a bunch when someone comes home and enjoys some wine aka the blood of jesus to relax after a long day. I get what your saying, its just a completely illogical way of judging anyone.
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: SummerDaisies]
#12257067 - 03/23/10 05:36 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hmmn. This is exactly why I made the thread. To get different opinions. And I think we all learned that this is a topic with no right or wrong answer unless abuse comes into play. Everyone is entitled to have their own belief regarding the use of pyscedelics. Its still my belief that these powerful drugs deserve the utmost respect in the right time and place. I'm also aware of the groups who look at certain pyscedelics as religious sacraments and this is somewhat my fuel for reasoning. I see these items as medicine that can heal mind and body over time with patience. And after reading some trip reports on this site it came very apparent to me that things get abused far to often. But as my journeys have taught me, everyone learns differently and it not my place to judge.
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c1dh3d
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Excellent outlook!
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: c1dh3d] 1
#12257186 - 03/23/10 05:52 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I tend to look at psychedelics the same way I look at the discovery channel, I watch it primarily to enjoy myself and if I learn somthing well then thats a bonus.
Edited by bonlives (03/23/10 05:53 PM)
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SummerDaisies
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: bonlives]
#12257193 - 03/23/10 05:54 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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bonlives said: I tend to look at psychedelics the same way I look at the discovery channel, I watch it primarily to enjoy myself and if I learn somthing well then thats a bonus. 
haha that made me chuckle
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: AntiEverything]
#13673614 - 12/22/10 10:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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AntiEverything said: the only distinction that IMO can be made is this:
Traditional vs. Modern
traditional psychedelics are ones that have been used traditionally as a medicine or as a spiritual tool by native people. modern psychedelics are newly discovered and are used mainly for recreation.
there is no functional difference between a "natural" drug and a synthesized drug. except that one occurs in nature and the other does not.
methamphetamine is a natural chemical. LSD is not.
in addendum: you are correct, even mushrooms can cause HPPD. this would mean there is no unique reason to make a distinction between a natural and unnatural psychedelic.
Said it best.
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LSDXM
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: pyl91]
#13673650 - 12/22/10 10:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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In my opinion, if one honestly believes that psychedelics should be used (somewhat) strictly for the purpose self exploration/spiritual development and not recreationally, it's probably because he or she has never tripped with some one they're in love with.
Not that doing so won't lead to even greater self awareness and spiritual development, but being in love essentially makes wherever you're tripping a tropical paradise that exists for the two of you.
At least it does that for us
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: LSDXM]
#13674070 - 12/23/10 01:07 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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my first trip was out of curiosity. i had fun, and it was beautiful in a way that haunted me, letting me know there was something very serious to be explored here. then i had a bunch more trips where i had a mixture of fun and wonder, and some scary/difficult stuff too that made "just for fun" an iffy, wishful expectation going forward. and then i had such a terrifying trip that i could never, ever seek or expect fun of an entheogenic journey again. yet still i trip, for the spiritual exploration and aid in personal growth. i might have some fun -- or a lot -- as a bonus, but i can't expect it. now i approach the medicine with holy fear and trembling, the sacrament at the center of my religion.
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Re: Self Exploration VS Recreational use. [Re: otherwhitemeat]
#13676032 - 12/23/10 02:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a great time exploring my psyche. There is no distinction.
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