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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: eniac]
#13662203 - 12/20/10 06:50 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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eniac said: Legally it's the same, even if the morality is different.
Ya know, I won't even go with accepting the morality of it. It just lacks the same ick factor as when a 15 year old girl struts Jayne Mansfield tits. It's creepier to me when an adult female pretends to be a child than when a child pretends, and pulls it off, to be an adult.
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: zappaisgod]
#13662425 - 12/20/10 07:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont think the charges will stick. This fuckin piece of shit sheriff in polk county,fl thinks he is the countries fuckin savior. He steps way over his boundaries and to bust people in other states. Fuckin stupid ass needs to mind his own business and do his job in his own county. The author may be a fuckin scumbag, but all he did was write words on paper, thats not against the law
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: fapjack]
#13662552 - 12/20/10 08:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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fapjack said: Yeah, who needs freedom of speech. People that write instructions to do illegal shit should rot in hell and go to prison.... Oh wait, by that logic we should all go there. I don't like the guy, don't like what he has to say but I damn well believe he should have the right to say it. Freedom of speech is important, no matter what you are preaching.
exactly. Anyone who thinks he did something wrong and deserves to be there is a hypocrite. Do I like the guy? Fuck no, but he does not deserve jail time
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: zappaisgod]
#13662922 - 12/20/10 09:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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This subject always brings out the blood lust in people, a phenomenon I think is largely motivated by fear. People see that the worst, most shameful thing you can possibly be in the world is sexually attracted to children (is it really worse than the state sanctioned mass murder of men, women and children in war?) and they are terrified that they might have such feelings, so they quickly jump on the bandwagon and start heaping on the fire and brimstone, lest anyone suspect them of harboring such terrible feelings. Once you have been conditioned to be afraid of your own nature, you are the most easily controlled person in the world.
Let's look at this thing logically. Few would deny that child abuse is a terrible thing. There is some controversy as to whether prepubescent children have sexual desires - psychoanalysis says they do. I think sexuality is entirely foreign to children prior to the onset of puberty (provided they haven't been prematurely sexually imprinted - almost inevitable in this society), and that it is extremely destructive in general for adults to project their sexuality onto prepubescent children. Why then is it so common? The truth is children possess many of the qualities that adults find desirable in a sexual partner - they are young, beautiful, highly sensuous, innocent, curious, romantic, and have strong desires to express and receive non-sexual physical love and affection. This is something that can't be swept under the rug and should be acknowledged without fear. Yet none of these qualities are essentially sexual in nature, because the essence, the sine qua non (without which nothing) of sexuality is precisely the urge to copulate, which doesn't begin until puberty. All of the activities we associate with sexuality are driven by this one fundamental urge. Without the urge, it all becomes sensual rather than sexual activity. Because children possess all these desirable qualities, it is to some extent "natural" for adults to experience (fleeting or otherwise) feelings of sexual attraction. What is important is to understand the destructiveness of projecting sexuality onto prepubescent children. If someone can't control their impulses then, of course, society must be protected from them, but there is no need for all the shame and terror. Understanding is all that's required. This applies to prepubescent children. After that it gets more complicated.
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: mirage]
#13662950 - 12/20/10 09:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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aminal said: Wow. What did he expect to happen?
he probably expected that he lived in America where we have this thing....they call it freedom of speech.
I think his subject matter is completely disgusting, amoral, and deranged but its a book I honestly cannot think of anything I hate more than child molesters but I think people should be able to WRITE about whatever they fancy.
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: salo99]
#13662958 - 12/20/10 09:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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while i think the pedo guy is a total piece of shit, im vehemently against any sort of indecency or obscenity laws, what you might find gross or indecent i might not, and we cannot legislate solely based upon something so broad and vague.
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: kintos]
#13663033 - 12/20/10 09:50 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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He should be jailed for being a disgusting scumbag pedophile, not for being a disgusting scumbag author.
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: mirage]
#13663162 - 12/20/10 10:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I bet the people berating this guy and his book are closet pedophiles.
That's just how it works.
Better watch where you point that zeal, you may just become what you claim to hate.
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: SpiritualSnorkel]
#13663184 - 12/20/10 10:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: SpiritualSnorkel]
#13663641 - 12/21/10 12:03 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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SpiritualSnorkel said: I bet the people berating this guy and his book are closet pedophiles.
That's just how it works.
Better watch where you point that zeal, you may just become what you claim to hate.
So anybody who hates a guy who writes a book about pedophiles is a pedophile?? That shit doesnt make sense. Did you ever think they hate him because he wrote a book about molesting kids.
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: AlbinoMonk]
#13663664 - 12/21/10 12:12 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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AlbinoMonk said: he has every right to write this book. freedom of speech
thats what i was thinking, but that's still fucked up
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: WhiteCobra]
#13663676 - 12/21/10 12:15 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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salo99 said: This subject always brings out the blood lust in people, a phenomenon I believe is largely motivated by fear. People see that the worst, most shameful thing you can possibly be in the world is sexually attracted to children (is it really worse than the state sanctioned mass murder of men, women and children in war?) and they are terrified that they might have such feelings, so they quickly jump on the bandwagon and start heeping on the fire and brimstone, lest anyone suspect them of harboring such terrible feelings. Once you have been conditioned to be afraid of your own nature, you are the most easily controlled person in the world.
This is correct.
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SpiritualSnorkel said: I bet the people berating this guy and his book are closet pedophiles.
That's just how it works.
Better watch where you point that zeal, you may just become what you claim to hate.
So anybody who hates a guy who writes a book about pedophiles is a pedophile?? That shit doesnt make sense.
It makes perfect sense. Welcome to the Shroomery.
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: mirage]
#13663760 - 12/21/10 12:43 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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aminal said:
It says guide to pleasure & love. What is that supposed to mean?
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: SpiritualSnorkel]
#13663803 - 12/21/10 12:58 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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SpiritualSnorkel said: I bet the people berating this guy and his book are closet pedophiles.
That's just how it works.
Better watch where you point that zeal, you may just become what you claim to hate.
So anybody who hates a guy who writes a book about pedophiles is a pedophile?? That shit doesnt make sense.
It makes perfect sense. Welcome to the Shroomery.
So what about the people that are not pedophiles and hate him because he wrote a book about molesting kids.. I think anybody who sticks up for a pedophile, is a pedophile.
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: WhiteCobra]
#13663862 - 12/21/10 01:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm mainly speaking about people who are foaming at the mouth, and doing away with any human decency they presume themselves to have in their expression of hatred for this guy and his book.
You've got a PM, btw.
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: zappaisgod]
#13663866 - 12/21/10 01:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Pee Wee had a kiddie porn arrest? Are you sure?
The point about viewers and users of kiddie porn is that even though they themselves do not actually perform the act they enable the act of child abuse. Like sending money to a Muslim to buy a suicide vest.
It would be more like supporting Muslim terrorists by watching videos of them using IEDs on Hummers or shooting American troops, or beheading human beings for propaganda purposes. I don't think you should ever be able to make a market out of either.
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: fapjack]
#13663908 - 12/21/10 01:33 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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If someone is engaging in a criminal act, a criminal act takes place. If there were photos of this man engaging in child molestation it would be a crime. These are words on paper, a guide more or less that does not tell you how to commit any crime. Now, it is immoral and disgusting, anything involving children garners a lot of attention because it is the one thing even the worst of the worst don't stand for.
But let's look at the real facts of what this will all cause. Greaves will, most probably, be found innocent or at least will appeal his conviction in to oblivion thanks to the help of media whoring pro bono lawyers. A lot of money will be inevitably wasted. The news cycle will move on and cover the real stories about Tiger Wood's mental state. Greaves, who only sold 300 of these books before this all erupted, will sell thousands more due to dozens and dozens of hours of free press, write a sequel and laugh to the bank.
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: gzuf]
#13663930 - 12/21/10 01:42 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: fapjack]
#13663940 - 12/21/10 01:48 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Even if he is found guilty, it will be appealed and dragged out for years. If he does any time at all it will be short at worst. He still is going to make a boatload of money on all the free exposure. Kind of like the entrepreneurial dream, huh?
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Re: Paedophile guide author Greaves arrested in Colorado [Re: zappaisgod]
#13664314 - 12/21/10 05:52 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Pee Wee had a kiddie porn arrest? Are you sure?
yeah, pretty sure, interesting case as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Reubens#Pornography_arrest:_2002
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The point about viewers and users of kiddie porn is that even though they themselves do not actually perform the act they enable the act of child abuse. Like sending money to a Muslim to buy a suicide vest.
you've given me a new idea for a charity, a clothing drive of sorts for islamic fundies, for Only $5 you help to buy an underwear bomb, for $10 we can get shoe bombs for those little feet and for only $25 you can buy a fundamentalist his very own suicide vest... becoming a platinum sponsot with a $1000 donation we'll equip your adopted terrorist with his very own toyota corrola and it's faulty breaking system with a trunk full of explosive so he can blow up many more of his countrymen and finally eliminate the threat of terrorism once and for all
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