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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13668769 - 12/21/10 11:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I went to the local pellet manufacture and bought a bag of Douglas Fir pellet to see how they will work. Thanks again for all the great ideas...:thumbup:




Get some shredded Douglas fir 'beauty bark' and add it at about 10% to 15% the amount of sawdust pellets. :wink:
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Do you get that from the pet store? Or does the landscape section in the hardware store stock that product. Thanks for the hint.:thumbup:


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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: pepper]
    #13668842 - 12/21/10 11:53 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Landscaping.  I get it by the truckload, but I've seen it in home improvement store garden sections in 50 pound bags.  Don't forget the gypsum.
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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13669446 - 12/22/10 07:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:vaped: buzzing for you RR. Great info and discovery!

This could be a useful strain for myself in the future as temps are plummeting here in North UK!


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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: FractalXplora]
    #13670058 - 12/22/10 11:09 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I live in the Sierras, I can probably get scrapwood and stuff (douglas fir), or even ask the local forest service for logs from fallen trees and stuff.

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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: Maverick]
    #13671655 - 12/22/10 04:30 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

24 hours later,  just before picking.  We got 8 pounds from those six blocks.  Each block is made from 1 pound of dry sawdust.  I was impressed with the speed of this strain-four days from pins to harvest and only 9 days after being frozen solid for a couple of months.
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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13671809 - 12/22/10 05:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Is that 125% BE per block????:eek:
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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: pepper]
    #13671826 - 12/22/10 05:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Roughly, yes. A few of the blocks had more mushrooms than others, but that was the average for that group of six.
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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: pepper]
    #13671843 - 12/22/10 05:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That's awesome..Supports your Aloha recommendation in your message to me..Talked to rebecca at Aloha today, and the Sales dept will be calling me back tomorrow I hope..

Very nice!!:grin:

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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: Ozzy]
    #13671889 - 12/22/10 05:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Probably John.

Don't jump out and order this strain though.  I'd get 75 for almost guaranteed results.  This 720 strain was a hard one to fruit, and nothing I tried would make it fruit last summer, even though my grow area was kept at 55F to 60F, just as now.
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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13671933 - 12/22/10 05:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

LOL.. I agree, I don't have the space for it yet..I am going with the 10 for 6 deal on the oysers and a lions mane to start...thanks for pointing me in the right direction RR.:thumbup:

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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: Ozzy]
    #13672670 - 12/22/10 08:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Don't you need to calculate the 200g per bag of rye spawn in the BE or the rice bran?


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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: eVenom]
    #13673293 - 12/22/10 09:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I never do.  Those are supplements and spawn, not substrate.  I never count the gypsum either in figuring B.E.  I suppose it would be fair to count the grains, but I don't think many people do.
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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13677167 - 12/23/10 08:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Stay warm, RR.  You are an inspiration.  :thumbup:

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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13779829 - 01/13/11 11:35 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I never do.  Those are supplements and spawn, not substrate.  I never count the gypsum either in figuring B.E.  I suppose it would be fair to count the grains, but I don't think many people do.
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Oh, I see your point, concentrating on the main ingredients, but I think everybody else counts everything going in minus its water content. Then the calculated BE will be 20 to 30% lower than yours.

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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: Mycelio]
    #13779883 - 01/13/11 11:43 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

However, that's incorrect.  Gypsum is ten times the weight of sawdust, being mineral.  In commercial production it's only the bulk substrate(straw, sawdust, manure, etc.) that is counted in figuring BE, and that's also the formula in Stamets' books. 

Counting the weight of the dry grains would only add a few grams per substrate block and wouldn't skew the BE reading much.  One generally refers to the supplementation as a percentage of the substrate weight, but it doesn't figure in BE even though it has a definite impact.
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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13780174 - 01/13/11 12:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well, Stamets does not seem to go into detail on this issue.

Let me give you an example and lets ignore the gypsum for now, before we get trapped in the old vermiculite discussion.
If I grow my shiitake using substrate spawn, completely free of grain, but instead I add coffee grounds and alfalfa too wood and straw, should I then not count my supplements in your opinion? It always appeared more logical to me that these supplements should definitely count as substrate, as all added nutrients should count.

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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: Mycelio]
    #13783283 - 01/13/11 10:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

1 cup of dry rye berries is about 200g  and 1pound of sawdust is 453g that is like 45% extra weight per bag

also the bags look like they had more than 1 pound of sawdust I would have guessed 1.5 but it might be that the sawdust that I get is denser.

anyways that is still a lot more that I have gotten from any of my bags!!! Very Impressive!!!


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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: eVenom]
    #13784073 - 01/14/11 12:40 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Just made shiitake mushroom tom yum soup... love your pics... and snow and mush seems go well together in your case haha :smile:

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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: eVenom]
    #13785348 - 01/14/11 10:11 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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1 cup of dry rye berries is about 200g  and 1pound of sawdust is 453g that is like 45% extra weight per bag



There must be a misunderstanding somewhere, these 200g can't be right.

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Re: Shiitake 720 strain(Aloha) on softwood sawdust [Re: Mycelio]
    #13785459 - 01/14/11 10:38 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Agreed.  The weight of the dry rye berries in my substrate blocks is no more than 5% to 10%.  I don't use a whole cup of rye per substrate block.

If you're using alfalfa and coffee grinds along with the sawdust and straw, count them, since those are part of the substrate and not supplements.  However the grains and gypsum are not counted other than including the grains as a percentage of supplementation.  It's important to keep the supplements separate in calculations because too much supplementation will result in mutants, while too much straw and sawdust will not.

Off topic here, but I'll be making a presentation to the Kalispel Tribe a week from tomorrow at their community center in Usk, WA regarding growing shiitake on a very large scale.  They're removing millions of tons of Douglas fir overgrowth from the reservation for fire prevention, and are looking for a use for it besides burning it as biofuel.  I'll be showing pictures of my scale-model prototype farm, and I'll bring a few fruiting sawdust blocks so they can see over a pound of mushrooms ready for market, coming off of each pound of sawdust.  I'm pretty excited about this, since we have enough overgrowth in the area, which needs to be thinned for the health of the forest, to supply the entire multi-billion dollar US market with shiitake, most of which is currently being imported from China.
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