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Bottom line when it comes down to government
#13657024 - 12/19/10 04:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you think it is mostly individuals such as politicians looking out for their best interest or the orginization as a whole trying to maintain control and power?
Obviously theres both in there but which is more important to government agentz?
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: skatealex2]
#13657030 - 12/19/10 04:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said: Do you think it is mostly individuals such as politicians looking out for their best interest or the orginization as a whole trying to maintain control and power?
Both--it is in each individual politician's best interest to maintain the organization as a whole's control and power.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: Poid]
#13657050 - 12/19/10 04:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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What I want to know is who is above the government and what that agenda is.
Example, past presidents have tried to gain access to UFO files and such.
They are straight up denied access. How is that possible??
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: DeadHearts]
#13657059 - 12/19/10 04:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: What I want to know is who is above the government and what that agenda is.
Example, past presidents have tried to gain access to UFO files and such.
They are straight up denied access. How is that possible??
One can argue that those files don't exist?
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: skatealex2]
#13657071 - 12/19/10 04:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said:
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DeadHearts said: What I want to know is who is above the government and what that agenda is.
Example, past presidents have tried to gain access to UFO files and such.
They are straight up denied access. How is that possible??
One can argue that those files don't exist? 
I dont think they can lol.
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: DeadHearts]
#13657072 - 12/19/10 04:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because presidents are not at the top, duh. They are just made to look that way. They are actually more like puppets
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: DeadHearts]
#13657078 - 12/19/10 04:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: What I want to know is who is above the government and what that agenda is.
Example, past presidents have tried to gain access to UFO files and such.
They are straight up denied access. How is that possible??
Source?
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: DeadHearts]
#13657081 - 12/19/10 04:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: What I want to know is who is above the government and what that agenda is.
How are you so sure that there is somebody above the government with an agenda?
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DeadHearts said: Example, past presidents have tried to gain access to UFO files and such.
They are straight up denied access.
Source?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: Poid]
#13657091 - 12/19/10 04:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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DeadHearts said: What I want to know is who is above the government and what that agenda is.
How are you so sure that there is somebody above the government with an agenda?
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DeadHearts said: Example, past presidents have tried to gain access to UFO files and such.
They are straight up denied access.
Source?
Find the source urself poid. You always want someones else to lay it out for you. Im not doing it anymore.
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: DeadHearts]
#13657100 - 12/19/10 04:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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skatealex2 said:
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DeadHearts said: What I want to know is who is above the government and what that agenda is.
Example, past presidents have tried to gain access to UFO files and such.
They are straight up denied access. How is that possible??
One can argue that those files don't exist? 
I dont think they can lol.
True, but files like project blue book are all public i believe. I know they've never released the roswell files at least. What the fuck is that about? lol.
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: DeadHearts] 1
#13657105 - 12/19/10 04:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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Poid said:
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DeadHearts said: What I want to know is who is above the government and what that agenda is.
How are you so sure that there is somebody above the government with an agenda?
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DeadHearts said: Example, past presidents have tried to gain access to UFO files and such.
They are straight up denied access.
Source?
Find the source urself poid. You always want someones else to lay it out for you. Im not doing it anymore.
The burden of proof is always on the person making the claims it is your job to find the source if your going to say things
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: skatealex2]
#13657106 - 12/19/10 04:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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It depends on the power of the position. A very powerful official can disregard his orders from special interests, but a low value official takes orders, or is replaced.
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: DeadHearts]
#13657116 - 12/19/10 04:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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Poid said:
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DeadHearts said: What I want to know is who is above the government and what that agenda is.
How are you so sure that there is somebody above the government with an agenda?
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DeadHearts said: Example, past presidents have tried to gain access to UFO files and such.
They are straight up denied access.
Source?
Find the source urself poid. You always want someones else to lay it out for you.
That's because I'm not a sheep who just believes everything he hears. 
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DeadHearts said: Im not doing it anymore.
You never really did it before.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: DeadHearts]
#13657123 - 12/19/10 04:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well you know this is all speculation, but a president stays for terms of what 2-4 years maybe more with re-elections etc. But the Government agencies and generals are there 20-30 years +++ and don't change? that should tip some people off to the fact that the president really is not running everything that happens, he's kind of like the new guy on the job in comparison.
I think majority of the most public politicians are doing the job for their own benefit, as a career move. But every now and then a gem like John F. Kennedy comes along, a president of the people, by the people, for the people.
In rephrasing - i think individually most politicians are motivated for their own personal reasons, but collectively as a whole, the administration together and the joint body of politicians are working together for the greater good.
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#13657132 - 12/19/10 04:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DosileFlynn said: Well you know this is all speculation, but a president stays for terms of what 2-4 years...
It's four years (at least here in the US).
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DosileFlynn said: ...maybe more with re-elections etc.
An individual can hold no more than 8 years in office as President.
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DosileFlynn said: But the Government agencies and generals are there 20-30 years +++ and don't change?
Source?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Bottom line when it comes down to government [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#13657151 - 12/19/10 04:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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DosileFlynn said: Well you know this is all speculation
So i have no official source - and you can discredit and disregard my arguement as you please, thats fine. But there is no constitution, convention or legislation stating that with the re-elected president new heads of places like FBI, CIA, NSA....etc etc etc have to be re-appointed. What about all the generals and top military personel in the pentagon and what not. These entities function autonomously, in my opinion.
Sure the president technically has the final word, but the president also generally tends to take advice and be steered by his more learned and experienced comrades and advisors.
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