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PF-Birdseed Tek!
    #1365099 - 03/11/03 06:04 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not sure if this has been done before or not.  If so, I appologize for posting this.  Anyway,

There was an experiment conducted on 16 jars.  8 of them using the regular PF tek and 8 of them using the PF-Birdseed Tek.  The ones using the PF-Birdseed tek produced much larger, and more potent mushrooms.  Not to mention, they colonized almost twice as fast as the ones using regular pf tek.  They were all cased with the same substrate (scotts 3 in 1 compost), and grown under the same conditions to make sure the only difference was the birdseed.  Heres how it was done:

Follow the regular PF Tek.  The only difference is one part Penningtons Wild Bird Feed (you can use other bird feeds that contain lots of white millet) was added in the mix.  The bird seed had Bird-Kote on it so it was soaked in warm water for about 10 mins and then rinsed off.  It was then added into the Brown Rice Flour/Vermiculite Mix and the water content was adjusted accordingly.  Once the water content was right (if you take a handful and squeeze it a few drops will fall) it was then placed in jars according to the regular PF tek and topped off with a 1/4" layer of dry vermiculite (to help keep out airborne contams that come through the innoculation points).  The jars were then pressure cooked for 1 hour and then sat in the Pressure cooker overnight to cool.  Once cool, they were innoculated as usual.

Like I said.  The jars that used the PF-Birdseed Tek performed much better, and produced much larger/potent mushrooms than the ones using the regular PF-Tek.
Sorry if this has already been done/posted on here.  I just thought it would be a good way for beginners to experiment with grains without straying away from the PF Tek too much.

Just thought I'd share the results of this experiment with everyone :grin:  If you have any questions please let me know.
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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1365148 - 03/11/03 06:22 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)


How much WBS did you put in the PF mix???

They colon. faster???

How bigger fruits you got from that mix,did you case or use cakes???


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1365177 - 03/11/03 06:31 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

pf would be pissed if he read this, he hates it when people add crap to his tek.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: Psychoslut]
    #1365186 - 03/11/03 06:34 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)


I think that there's nothing wrong with experimentation....



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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: Psychoslut]
    #1365269 - 03/11/03 07:16 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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pf would be pissed if he read this, he hates it when people add crap to his tek.




Why would pf be pissed about an experiment that someone did? Thats rather foolish. Not to mention, The birdseed improves colonization time, yeild, and potency.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: diacamomo]
    #1365287 - 03/11/03 07:22 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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How much WBS did you put in the PF mix???

They colon. faster???

How bigger fruits you got from that mix,did you case or use cakes???




The mix was 1 part wild birdseed and two parts of the regular BRF/Verm mix.

They colonized twice as fast as the regular jars.

They were cased using 50/50 scotts 3 in 1 compost/vermiculite. The ones that used the birseed produced larger, more potent mushrooms than the regular method.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: Psychoslut]
    #1365310 - 03/11/03 07:28 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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pf would be pissed if he read this, he hates it when people add crap to his tek.




I'm pretty sure he won't be reading this for a while.....


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: z@z.com]
    #1365314 - 03/11/03 07:29 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Why is that?


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1365324 - 03/11/03 07:31 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: diacamomo]
    #1365349 - 03/11/03 07:41 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Oh ok. I heard about that. That shit sucks. I can't believe they didn't have a disclaimer on the page. That would have really covered their asses.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1365372 - 03/11/03 07:52 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

First, thanks for posting this thread! I've heard a lot of good things about WBS.

Second, PF probably won't do any time if he has a good lawyer; he didn't break any serious laws. All they are doing is sending a message that, even if you are only bending the law, they plan on making your life a living hell by whatever means neccesary. That includes invading your home/privacy, getting arrested, doing the old bend over and cough routine, having to post bail, having to pay for an attourney, having to go to court over and over again, possible jail time, probation, parole, etc.

Trust me, ANY legal trouble is a serious PAIN IN THE ASS!!! PF made some money doing what he did, but I bet he's thinking twice about it all now.

Still, say a prayer for him :smile:


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1365402 - 03/11/03 08:01 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

i liked it better the frst time i used it , when it was called Hawks Magic Formula.
a long time ago, ryche had it on his site. i still use it to this day.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: Fick_Duck]
    #1365556 - 03/11/03 08:39 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

All I can say is that I will never use the regular PF tek Again. This is just as easy but the mushies like it way better than just using BRF.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1365561 - 03/11/03 08:40 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)


Sounds good...i will try it...


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: diacamomo]
    #1365570 - 03/11/03 08:43 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Well good luck to ya man! I hope it works out for you.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1365576 - 03/11/03 08:45 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

well really he wouldnt be pissed, unless someone wrote a full fledged tek, saying somthing along the lines of, pf never thought of this one did he, he has a lil thing at his sight, that bashes the author of mmgg, cause the author added things to his original tek.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: Psychoslut]
    #1365585 - 03/11/03 08:47 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Thx for the reply Psychoslut.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1365631 - 03/11/03 09:03 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Heh and i tought i was the only one. I have been using birdseed in my last 6 casings and i i usually get good flushes. I fucked up my last casings when i dropped them on the floor but they are recouping nicely.

Im going to go with horseshit next time to see if its better.



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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1365644 - 03/11/03 09:07 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

HorseShit and Birseed together are awsome! Use this pf-birdseed tek and then case with poo. You will be amazed with the results.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1365750 - 03/11/03 09:31 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

where does one find scotts 3 in 1 compost? do you just do a 50/50 mix with verm. for the casing? AFOAF wants to case his next crop but is undecided on what to use. I think he is going to use a a basic flat cake tek, by using some type of 50/50 mix and glass cassarole dishes. Can anyone help me out?


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: MyCoShrOoM]
    #1365811 - 03/11/03 09:50 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Scotts 3 in 1 can be found and wal-mart, k-mart, lowes, home depot, etc.
Mix it 50/50 scotts/verm.

By the way. Glass caserole dishes wont work unless the are solid black glass. You don't want to use a translucent container for casing. Otherwise pins will form on the sides of the casing and cause a bunch of complications.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1365821 - 03/11/03 09:54 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

My friend agrees that WBS is an excellent substrate, but what is the point of diluting it with BRF and verm? Why not use straight birdseed?


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: dog]
    #1365911 - 03/11/03 10:23 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

that's what i was thinking the whole time.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: debianlinux]
    #1365944 - 03/11/03 10:35 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

kramer just uses wbs/verm at a rate of 2/1 .he is an idiot and gets good results.like i said it's like kung fu colonization. and for spawn..it just pops into a thousand individual pieces.go forth and harvest abundance :laugh:



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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: dog]
    #1365949 - 03/11/03 10:36 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

The structure.
If you have pure birdseed in cake form(that you can?t shake) then it will need longer to colonize than if you add some vermiculite and BRF.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: dog]
    #1365957 - 03/11/03 10:39 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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My friend agrees that WBS is an excellent substrate, but what is the point of diluting it with BRF and verm? Why not use straight birdseed?




The PF-Birdseed tek is much easier to do than straight birdseed. You are talking about using bulk substrates. I'm trying to keep is simple for newbies to impliment birdseed into their cultivation.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: Anno]
    #1365961 - 03/11/03 10:40 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

i'm confused. i've never had a problem shaking straight wbs no matter how caked it gets.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1365964 - 03/11/03 10:41 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Thx for the reply Anno! You are exactly right.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1365970 - 03/11/03 10:43 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

This is a similar substrate you described, ecuador strain:



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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: Anno]
    #1365979 - 03/11/03 10:47 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

All I can say is... WOW!!! Good Job! Thanks for the feedback Anno.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: Anno]
    #1366000 - 03/11/03 10:57 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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This is a similar substrate you described, ecuador strain:





Beautiful, Anno!


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: Anno]
    #1366013 - 03/11/03 11:05 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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This is a similar substrate you described, ecuador strain:




anno, may i ask where you got those cool looking racks?


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1366023 - 03/11/03 11:08 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Short of casing (for new cultivators), how well do they hold together as cakes? Have you tried this? IMHO, cakes are easier for first grows (less chance of contamination, etc.). Thank you for posting this :grin:. Even if it has been around for a while, I've never seen it. 


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    #1366034 - 03/11/03 11:12 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

They hold together very well.

>anno, may i ask where you got those cool looking racks?

This is ANTONIUS rack from IKEA.


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    #1366036 - 03/11/03 11:13 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

They actually hold together pretty well as cakes. You can either case or fruit right off the cakes.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1366308 - 03/11/03 12:55 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Damn, Im gonna have to try this for my next grow. All I need to do is buy the birdseed :smile:


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    #1366335 - 03/11/03 01:02 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Good luck to ya moosehead! I hope it works out for you. Keep me posted on your progress. If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or pm me.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1366454 - 03/11/03 01:38 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

My friend's cheap ass really needs to buy a damn PC. Period. He can't wait to try WBS :smile:


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1366469 - 03/11/03 01:44 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Yes he does. A pressure cooker is a must when using birdseed. Though I have heard of people sucessfully boiling it. I think they soak the seed in water overnight to start germination of any bacteria/mold that may be present. Then I'm pretty sure you just boil the birdseed till it swells up. Strain, let cool, then use. I'm not sure how accurate that is but its just to give you an idea.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1366540 - 03/11/03 02:13 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes he does.  A pressure cooker is a must when using birdseed. Though I have heard of people sucessfully boiling it.  I think they soak the seed in water overnight to start germination of any bacteria/mold that may be present.  Then I'm pretty sure you just boil the birdseed till it swells up.  Strain, let cool, then use.  I'm not sure how accurate that is but its just to give you an idea.




Thanks for taking the time to post all that, man. It really sucks not having the search feature!

I had heard that before, but my friend is getting to the point where he spends so much time and energy trying to get around not having a $40 PC that its getting plain stupid. I mean, there's nothing left to prove, right? It can be done, just not very well or very fast; my friend is spending hours on what should take less than an hour, time actually worked, to complete, AND his contam rates are higher than average, IMO. Losing a crop is losing your money, even if you grow simply for research or to provide yourself with some traditional, natural education and entertainment. First, there is the cost of all the supplies. Then there is the time you have wasted; time is money, not to be cliche.

Anyone else have a tendency to ramble on when you are high on some legally obtained and smoked, with my medical use permit, medicinal nugs?

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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1368019 - 03/12/03 04:11 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

How did you get a permit for Marijuana? I want one. LOL


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1368099 - 03/12/03 04:53 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Anno: Nice flush.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1376744 - 03/14/03 05:16 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Has anyone ever really tried this method? I mean, in the exact way it was posted here?


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #1376824 - 03/14/03 06:04 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Yeh, a friend of mine swears by it shroomologist. Funny that you brought it up because he has been using it for quite some time now. It was really a way to prolong cakes/flatcakes for more flushes when wbs is added to the mix.

He would steep the wbs for 20 mins low boil until the kernels were just about to pop open. Using 12 cups coarse verm, 6 cups brf, and about a cup and a half or two cups of wbs, he would make that mixture into 24 jars. It's a basic recipe that is worth a try for anyone with some spare time to experiment.


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: Fick_Duck]
    #1377179 - 03/14/03 11:10 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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i liked it better the frst time i used it , when it was called Hawks Magic Formula.
a long time ago, ryche had it on his site. i still use it to this day.




now that's good to hear, as i've just inoculated some jars a la Ryche Hawk not ten minutes ago! there were more ingredients though: finch seed, brf, verm, ground linseed, water. sourced here at the shroomery. i'm gonna try alien's substrate next!


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Re: PF-Birdseed Tek! [Re: shirley knott]
    #1377363 - 03/15/03 02:39 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Great! Thanks for replies.


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