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Re: Prop 19- so what? [Re: ChronicCluster]
    #13499641 - 11/17/10 05:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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From what I remember, It was mostly the medical patients who were convinced that weed becoming legal would somehow illegalize medical consumption...



:archiebunker: "I can't sell you weed bro; Not if its for cancer. Sorry"

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Also a lot of people didn't like certain aspects of the prop, such as the you can have two ounces on your person, and they wanted true, tax-free legalization.  Which I doubt would ever happen.  It hasn't happened with any other drug.




Sure, Id like to be able to bring QP's over and have BBQs with friends.  Now, wait though...  who gets to grow it and market it?  I would see that as an obvious issue If no one can legally manufacture and profit.  But taxes...  They will be a part of legalization.

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I say short-sighted since I think that they thought that right now we have no tax on it, and no regulations, that when it is legal it should have no regulations.  And the current tax free illegalization is better than taxed legalization.




I think we should hold out till the bill makes it totally free, delivered to each and everyone of us with our morning paper.


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Re: Prop 19- so what? [Re: Dickhead]
    #13499699 - 11/17/10 06:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I don't really remember much of the medical peoples argument...  Someone else'll remember, I'm sure.

I agree.  We just need to go ahead and get it legalized.  Partly breaking the law is better than fully breaking the law.

We can always petition to get the law changed after it is passed.  It'll probably only be minor things that would need to be changed.  Such as the amount that you can carry, the amount that you can grow.  All of those would be up for discussion if we can just get the plant itself legalized. 

How do you eat an elephant?  One bite at a time. 

The first step is to get some measure of legalization in place.  We need to convince people that whatever bill or law, or prop that is passed first, will only be one of many to come.  Each one will address specific concerns of the ones before it. 

Even if you do not agree with the entire prop, vote yes for it.  We will then create another prop that will address those specific concerns. 
Even if you don't agree with that one 100%, vote yes on it, and we will create another prop to address those concerns.

That is the way that I see legalization eventually happening.  If we try to eat the whole elephant at once, the rest of society will never agree to it, since it will be too controversial. 

First we make Cannabis socially acceptable.  That is step number one.


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Re: Prop 19- so what? [Re: ChronicCluster]
    #13501012 - 11/17/10 10:22 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I have observed that political issues come and go in the public mind.  As waves, there are crests that offer opportunity to change and lulls where no one gives a shit anywhere. 

In Canada, we nearly abolished prohibition for weed in the late 90's, but we let it stall, didn't punch it through; Then 9/11, Liberal sponsorship Scandal.. Conservatives take over and things actually got much worse for pot smokers.  The only legalization talk in Canada now is about the US efforts.  We're in a lull, bigtime.

I fear that without one or 2 notches on the Legalization belt this wave, we may have to face a rather large lull. 2 to 4 years from now who knows what madness could erupt. 

If the future holds any major ecological devastation, further ecconimic hardships, major wars etc. Do you think the media and lobby time will be spent on legalizing Weed??  Not likely.  The issue would be so far under the rug that you will not see it again till the whole house comes down.

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Re: Prop 19- so what? [Re: Dickhead]
    #13502040 - 11/18/10 03:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

more truth in that then a pipe full of dmt


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Re: Prop 19- so what? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #13650118 - 12/18/10 12:59 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

dear people of simpsons or south park, make a damn good episode showing that freedom, 

as in " sir i may not agree with what you smoke but i will defend to the death your right to smoke it " is the reason prop 19 should have passed and ream them on the hypocrisy of believing in fear as a reason to limit liberty in any way shape or form

make the episode damn good enough to saturate our minds so that next time a vote comes up it will soar YES ,

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when you have a movement to reclaim personal liberty in any form, yes, that movement matters, it matters more than many other issues of mass distraction,

and i will say ,
it would be good, all the stoners of the nation could take refuge in california without having to get a prescription, and that would be good, a more inventive culture emerges, when the legal drug and all the squarey boo-booheads and naysayers get high, instead of drink booze,

some will not like it minor harm will come, but , great peace and change in consciousness will evolve, and the harm is very small, and it will be their own fault for using it improperly


if those , those people that voted no, got high , and they had never done it before, and sat to try to to comprehend the evening news they would say "what the fuck is this " and become free thinkers.......  ( sometimes ) , think about the potential of making the world more , well, sane, that legal pot , and getting the people afraid of laws and not willing to get a prescription, upppity , grumpy people, people that don't know how to not hate

i knew a guy that killed people for money but before that he was a stoner and he used to talk about killing gays ( not that he wanted to but that's a passtime where i grew up , we just talk about it, but we don't , and  never targeted , harmed, or harassed any known ones, but we just talked about it like idiots , i don'tknow why ) , but , when he was a pothead one day , i was talking that stupid way that teenagers are taught to ( i am not glad i did i am horrified at how insidious the talk thinking is ) and he said "hey they have a fucking right( he didn't cuss though ) to be that way "
i went holy shit is this my friend ? the one more extreme than me by loads

but he quit pot then did, that thing i just aforementioned, and such .
the pot radically transformed his mind , he didn't think the same, he should have kept using it and probably wouldn't have gone into the decay that commenced, but his desires to do that kind of stuff were fairly strong.

[ do you get what i am saying, people have no awareness of what htey are doing until something changes their awareness, i had no understanding that joking about that stuff was stupid, i had no hate for gays , NONE, but yet i would talk that way , and there is no way in hell he would have suddenly broken our normal casual joking to speak a TRUTH , but for ganja,  i swear and attest to its transformational powers of course some people are just messed up and won't be healed by it some will ]

hey before i ever used pot i didn't know that you should care about people, i just didn't  i mean people you love sure but not general people, it completely gave me peace of mind and mellowness, that i never knew possible in just a few months of being a college "stoner" , which was great.

it is good , it needs to mellow out the psyche of those hardened people , made weird by society .

you know the first time a person gets high on pot , they realize, dear lord, there is, wow,
how can this amazing state of mind exist ? and it changes them, and not for the worse.

and man , maybe that dude i knew should have kept a smoking it up as much as possible and changed his mind about that sort of thing oh well, but , god bless this , you know ? that's a harsh situation to grow into .

the simple one sentence is : more people getting high makes the world a better place,


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