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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #13567225 - 12/01/10 10:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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definitely don't put anything up on soundcloud you plan on using in a commercial release. someone might snatch it and say it's theirs.





had a kid at my college get busted for uploading a bunch of zeds dead remixes and saying they were his. id like to give more detail, but i dont know exactly what went down. all i know is he played them at a concert as a dj without permission and claimed they were his.


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: chxlledout]
    #13570033 - 12/01/10 07:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

so has anyone ever heard of someone taking a vocal wav and trying to turn it into a wobble?


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: Grateful]
    #13570777 - 12/01/10 10:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Excision said that he mixes WAV samples he recorded from the real world and layers them with synths into fat processed bass sounds.

So yeah it's been done.


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #13571113 - 12/01/10 11:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

how do you layer into the synth?


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: Grateful]
    #13571188 - 12/01/10 11:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

A layer is basically a sound playing at the same time as another sound.
I've explained how to use layers in FL earlier in the thread... then you have the option to mix and manipulate it with your synth or separately or both...


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #13571321 - 12/02/10 12:32 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

ok so ive been messing with ableton. does fl studio have anything simular to the "simpler" instrument?


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: Grateful]
    #13593968 - 12/07/10 12:16 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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ok so ive been messing with ableton. does fl studio have anything simular to the "simpler" instrument?



I'm not exactly sure of what simpler fully does because I've never used it myself but as an overview you could do the same things yes.
you have stuff like the Directwave sampler in FL which is good.
not to mention all the other scattered sample manipulation tools in there like the sampler channel.
Plus the plugs like Edison, Convolution, etc; are some great tools...
Look around the interface, especially the hidden tools that are very useful, also use the F1 button to pull out the help menu to find out what the native stuff your looking at does.

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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: Grateful] * 1
    #13595249 - 12/07/10 10:56 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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ok so ive been messing with ableton. does fl studio have anything simular to the "simpler" instrument?




simpler is just a stripped down version of a sampler. Fl should have some kind of sampler.


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #13641434 - 12/16/10 11:06 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

so can anyone tell me how to input an fx in a song without having to directly put it to an instrument in fl studio? like somewhere in the automation


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: Grateful]
    #13641445 - 12/16/10 11:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You might have to elaborate a little more because I'm not sure I understand what your getting at fully.
Why not just make an automation clip of the Wet signal on the Fx that you want to include at certain points in the song and not the rest??


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #13642094 - 12/16/10 01:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

like if i wanted my drum beat to have a flanger in certin parts of the song. or if i wanted distortion in a certin part


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: Grateful]
    #13642147 - 12/16/10 01:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

If you wanted to be able to modulate the drum track as a whole with an Fx then just route all the percussion samples that you have on the separate mixer track to a single bus and then out to the master.

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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #13642359 - 12/16/10 02:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

no, like.... if i wanted to warp the whole song with reverb for just 2 seconds of the song. how would i do that without cloning tracks and routing each to a different fx channel


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: Grateful]
    #13642491 - 12/16/10 02:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Then just put reverb on the Main bus and set it up how you would like it to sound, and use an autoclip on the Wet signal wherever you want to add it or take it away from the song as a whole.\


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #13643669 - 12/16/10 07:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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dubstep is all about the basslines, the percussion and shit is really a minimal part of dubsteps. Lots of doubletime basslines and shit too.



I couldn't agree with that.






and why is that?


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: snoot]
    #13644062 - 12/16/10 08:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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dubstep is all about the basslines, the percussion and shit is really a minimal part of dubsteps. Lots of doubletime basslines and shit too.



I couldn't agree with that.






and why is that?



Well thats pretty obvious. Dubstep has unique drum sounds and patterns just like any other genre.
Stick a trance drum track under a dubstep bassline and, well it just wouldn't fully be dubstep really.
stick a drum track from a kid that can't make a descent pattern and has no clue what EQ or compression is under a good bassline and you get a shitty drum track with a good bassline to it.
Shitty drum mixing = degraded song, no matter how fat the bass is.
When making any type of electronic music with percussion you can't just ignore the drums and put minimal effort into making them unless you want a crappy song./ You get out what you put in.
You can tell a dubstep track almost immediately by the drums,
I couldn't think of another genre in music that uses drum sounds and patterns that imitate most dubstep percussion.
Not all dubstep has big basslines dominating the track.
The sounds and patterns in the percussion of dubstep matter a lot or there wouldn't be any percussion in it, therefore having no bounce to the track.
Percussion is a big part of any song that involves percussion, as simple as it may be you still have to mix the sounds/samples good or it would just sound shitty.
Anyway all the instruments in the song matter in the resulting feeling of the overall sound to the song no matter what peoples separate opinions on which instrument they like and/or focus on more are.

Thats like saying rock music is all about the lead guitar and none of the other instruments matter much so you might as well not practice them in rehearsal. when if you didn't have the rest of the band backing the guitar up in that synchronized rock style it just wouldn't be rock music even if all it may be is just simple grooves.
Or hiring an amateur sound recorder with only a handful of prior experience to mic the drums for your new metal album that is to be released soon.

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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #13645166 - 12/17/10 12:15 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

woah wait, lol, you're reading into it too much. I'm not saying percussion and drums dont matter, they are just not nearly as significant as the bassline. There are countless dubstep sounds I hear, where the perc dont change threw the song, the only things that change are the textures and basslines. Obviously drum sounds matter, obviously you can't just cut and paste trance lines to dubstep lines and expect them to work,. thats not at all what I was saying.
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You can tell a dubstep track almost immediately by the drums,





not really, you can tell almost immediately thanks to the 70bpm that almost no dubstep song strays away from. then the wobbles hit and you can be reassured you're listening to dubstep. The wobbles steal the focus in dubstep productions I dont see how you can refute such things.


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: snoot]
    #13645299 - 12/17/10 12:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well yeah obviously, I never said it didn't, how could you not notice the bassline, the bass in dubstep has basically evolved into the lead instrument in Dubstep lol.:shrug:
But not nearly all dubstep out there... I've heard many great dubstep songs on soundcloud that has complex lead percussion tracks to them and a sub following...
Dubstep percussion is unique though and shouldn't be pushed to the side during production, and maybe that's why there's a lot of crappy noobstep out there that have an ok bass and that's it because their focusing too much on the bassline and sound and not enough the rest of the song. It's like a necessity to have at least descent sounding drums in the mix if your using percussion imo, its just being lazy not to tune up the drum kit and patterns to at least fit, its not exactly easy getting those huge kicks and snares like on some tunes, it adds a lot of bounce to the track,, without a good drum kit the song gets degraded.
Just like any genre, it's gotta at least sound descent in the mix.
I think you could agree that if people took even more time to develop the drum tracks in some dubstep songs (sound and pattern wise) it would kick ass even more,,
Why cheap out on the drums? or any of the sounds in the mix for that matter,, good drums make a big part of the tracks sound and feel even if your only using a simple pattern for the song.


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #13648277 - 12/17/10 06:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Well yeah obviously, I never said it didn't, how could you not notice the bassline, the bass in dubstep has basically evolved into the lead instrument in Dubstep lol.:shrug:






thats my point

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But not nearly all dubstep out there... I've heard many great dubstep songs on soundcloud that has complex lead percussion tracks to them and a sub following...
Dubstep percussion is unique though and shouldn't be pushed to the side during production, and maybe that's why there's a lot of crappy noobstep out there that have an ok bass and that's it because their focusing too much on the bassline and sound and not enough the rest of the song. It's like a necessity to have at least descent sounding drums in the mix if your using percussion imo, its just being lazy not to tune up the drum kit and patterns to at least fit, its not exactly easy getting those huge kicks and snares like on some tunes, it adds a lot of bounce to the track,, without a good drum kit the song gets degraded.
Just like any genre, it's gotta at least sound descent in the mix.
I think you could agree that if people took even more time to develop the drum tracks in some dubstep songs (sound and pattern wise) it would kick ass even more,,
Why cheap out on the drums? or any of the sounds in the mix for that matter,, good drums make a big part of the tracks sound and feel even if your only using a simple pattern for the song.





idk man, I dont find anything to particularly unique about most if any dubstep perc/drum line. If a dubstep song were to be without its lead bassline, it wouldnt sound dubstep, it would sound almost ambient like. Alot of the great dubstep I've heard, had its entire focus on the track devoted to a wicked bassline, really unique LFO'ing and modulations along with delicate plate reverbing and eq'ing. To me thats Dubstep!, anything moving away from the gnarly basslines to me moves more towards dnb, esp with some of the drum beats are double timed.


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Re: I need help with Dubstep!!!!! [Re: snoot]
    #13648458 - 12/17/10 06:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Nah I do agree the modern wobbles are amazing.
But those broken high hat, heavy kick/snare patterns add to it a lot imo. I don't feel it's the same without those signature dubstep beats backing, as simple as they might be...
I dunno I'm a drummer also so maybe that has something to do with me focusing on the percussion just as much. :drumming: lol
But I can say it takes me just as much effort to mix up a good drum kit and compose it than to make a fat bass and wobble it.


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