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    #1364617 - 03/11/03 04:43 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Problems with casing (first flush) [Re: poke smot!]
    #1364665 - 03/11/03 05:02 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

1- Achieving an even pinset takes practice. Try to keep your casing layer depth as consistant as possible across the substrate.

2- Use a non-transluscent casing container. IME taping the bottom and sides is not enough to stop pinning in these areas.

Nice looking fruits!  :laugh: 


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Re: Problems with casing (first flush) [Re: poke smot!]
    #1364678 - 03/11/03 05:05 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

A friend had the same problems. His next go he was thinking of using coffee cans, or some other light proof container.

He's also considered lining the sides of the container with casing mix, but the mycelia would still reach the walls after a while and pin if light gets through.

Those pins in the first pic look like they are going to be big fruits! :smile:


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Re: Problems with casing (first flush) [Re: poke smot!]
    #1364683 - 03/11/03 05:07 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

What is the casing mix, btw?


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Re: Problems with casing (first flush) [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1364858 - 03/11/03 06:31 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

the thing that struck me the most, was the strain.

matias romero(PF classic) is not(to my knowledge) a good casing strain.
again this is just my two cents and would be glad to be proven wrong, but that is what i have heard.


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Re: Problems with casing (first flush) [Re: mike]
    #1365017 - 03/11/03 07:30 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Light can get through one layer of duct tape. My friend uses aluminum foil and then adds duct tape to hold it on. No light gets through the aluminum foil.


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Re: Problems with casing (first flush) [Re: fee]
    #1365079 - 03/11/03 07:59 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

judging by the tray size, it looks like your casing is a tad bit thin. Looks to me like the whole thing is about 2" or so. those casing tub?s your buddy is using (5 pack from walmart?) hold about 6 1/2 pint jars.

here?s a good experiement to show what happens when you get a weak/small casing.

take 1 cake, and case it in a drinkig cup like normal (plastic) use the whole cake, broken up. Then when it starts to pin, you should notice 100?s of pins all over. they grow to about 1/2". Or, you might even see only a few pins, where the mushroom will grow to only about an inch or so. .... This is a waste of a perfectly good cake, but sometime your friend might find that he has one he can spare.





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Re: Problems with casing (first flush) [Re: Phychotron]
    #1365677 - 03/11/03 11:13 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

5 shrooms for you, psychotron! and 5 also to poke smot - these casings don't look to me like failures, but great successes!

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:


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Re: Problems with casing (first flush) [Re: shirley knott]
    #1365771 - 03/11/03 11:37 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

the big one's actualy turned into abhorts, and no more flushes after that.

as for the small one's... those were all picked and dried, they were like little toothpicks. They did pack a pretty powerfull punch, but only the 1 flush. They sure were cute.


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Re: Problems with casing (first flush) [Re: poke smot!]
    #1365872 - 03/11/03 12:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Try using aluminum bread baking pans from any grocery store or any "Mart" store instead of the rubbermaid/sterlite containers.


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Re: Problems with casing (first flush) [Re: psilosinner]
    #1365904 - 03/11/03 12:19 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

don't use damn aluminum pans. how wasteful can you be? use opaque plastic bins. there are many sources: kitty litter pans, dishpans, concrete mixing pans, paint mixing bins, bins of various art uses, etc.


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Re: Problems with casing (first flush) [Re: poke smot!]
    #1367374 - 03/11/03 09:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

prevention is key. with the first tray you showed, just get some of that really wide foil, and line it with that first. You will have to have the length about 2x longer. when it goes in, it'll look like your going to waste a bunch of foil, but you'll find you may need more. it sucks more to not have enough. Try lining the tray at first befor you rip it off the roll.

foil works better than tape/plastic for keeping light out... imagine putting foil over a window to keep the light out... none will get thru, whereas if you put tape, thier is still some light that will come in. although you may find you will save in the long run if you use a few rolls of tape.

I have also found that foil on the outside of the tray let's light get down into the sides.
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http://shroomz.forplanetearth.com/Images/BPlus/BPlus_04.jpg
http://shroomz.forplanetearth.com/BPlus.htm

I forgot to add, they were 'fished out' gently, but contam hit. one even went down the bottom.


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Re: Problems with casing (first flush) [Re: poke smot!]
    #1367467 - 03/11/03 11:45 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

the reason the fruits mainly pop around the sides is only partly because of light. the light is not exactly what is causing it though.

as your casing colonizes and uses up the substrate, it squeezes the whole casing inward. this causes the casing sides to pull away from the walls of the container. inside these crevices, the humidity and moisture is high. coupled with light being able to seep into the crevice is why you get pins there. these crevices become micro climates perfect for producing pins.

just fill these gaps with extra casing, or sprinkle some vermiculite along the sides and slightly press it down.


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Re: Problems with casing (first flush) [Re: felix]
    #1367488 - 03/12/03 12:20 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

1)PF is a real mutant, your mushrooms shape/size is typical, IMHO really nice.
2)Not much you can do for those casings right now. And I agree with the general consensus, next time, line the inside of your FOAF's tray with aluminium foil.


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