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Xlea321
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Re: anarchy [Re: yelimS]
#1356190 - 03/07/03 03:42 AM (21 years, 27 days ago) |
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Privatisation has been tried for the last 20 years in the UK. The railways were privatised. There were a series of horrendous accidents because spending on safety cutsprofits, fares exploded, directors became millionaires. Eventually it ended up such a dangerous unmitigated disaster the government bailed the private firms out with billions of taxpayers money and now intend to run them on a non-profit basis.
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Re: anarchy [Re: Xlea321]
#1356265 - 03/07/03 04:15 AM (21 years, 27 days ago) |
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i don't think that it is the government's place to run any business. however, they not only have the right, but the obligation, to enact safety regulations and the like.
Edited by mushmaster (03/07/03 04:25 AM)
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Re: anarchy [Re: ]
#1356668 - 03/07/03 05:54 PM (21 years, 26 days ago) |
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How about we just get over the worry about violence and crime... WE ALREADY HAVE IT! life feeds on life... death is just as important as life. im willing to die for someone elses life if they are willing to try and kill me. I also dont think its nessisarily the only option. i think i have the ability to live peacefully, and not steal, or kill other people, or fuck with anyone in any way that they dont like, intentionally. And i think all people have that ablility. Knowlage only follows experience. Rules that forbid people to have experiences of any kind are only hinderences to evolution. EDIT; I realize i kinda swayed off topic a little. but i was reading back further about violence and murder and shit... couldnt get through EVERYONES posts.. i'll work on it.
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Edited by BleaK (03/07/03 05:57 PM)
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Re: anarchy [Re: BleaK]
#1356709 - 03/07/03 06:09 PM (21 years, 26 days ago) |
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How about we just get over the worry about violence and crime... WE ALREADY HAVE IT! life feeds on life... death is just as important as life. im willing to die for someone elses life if they are willing to try and kill me.
if you don't mind getting killed for your wallet, fine. but the rest of us have a reasonable expectation to be free from violent attacks.
I also dont think its nessisarily the only option. i think i have the ability to live peacefully, and not steal, or kill other people, or fuck with anyone in any way that they dont like, intentionally. And i think all people have that ablility.
very true... the next step will be when you realize that that just isn't how shit works. some people want to steal stuff and some people want to kill other people... until there are no such people, there must be some mechanism in place to forcefully stop them from acting. yes.. in a perfect world.... with perfect people... things would be just perfect.
Knowlage only follows experience. Rules that forbid people to have experiences of any kind are only hinderences to evolution.
what kind of experience do you mean? will human evolution be detrimentally effected because i have not experienced getting mugged? will the growth and learning that a rapist undergoes while raping a young girl have a positive impact on our collective experience and evolution?
it is not ok for people to mug eachother... or murder eachother, or violently attack eachother in any way. to do so is to unjustly impose your will upon someone else. it's exactly what anarchists and libertarians abhore.
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Re: anarchy [Re: ]
#1356740 - 03/07/03 06:23 PM (21 years, 26 days ago) |
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"what kind of experience do you mean? will human evolution be detrimentally effected because i have not experienced getting mugged? will the growth and learning that a rapist undergoes while raping a young girl have a positive impact on our collective experience and evolution?"
Yes.
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Re: anarchy [Re: BleaK]
#1356759 - 03/07/03 06:32 PM (21 years, 26 days ago) |
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i would like to repeat...
it is not ok for people to mug eachother... or murder eachother, or violently attack eachother in any way. to do so is to unjustly impose your will upon someone else. it's exactly what anarchists and libertarians abhore.
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Xlea321
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Re: anarchy [Re: ]
#1356761 - 03/07/03 06:32 PM (21 years, 26 days ago) |
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there must be some mechanism in place to forcefully stop them from acting
This sounds like the drug war arguments mush. Do you think if we legalised drugs there would be chaos in the streets with millions of people turning into heroin addicts? Or would most people cope perfectly well with legal drugs?
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Re: anarchy [Re: Xlea321]
#1356766 - 03/07/03 06:36 PM (21 years, 26 days ago) |
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This sounds like the drug war arguments mush
the difference here is that when i smoke a joint, i am not violating anyone else's rights. it's different when i mug someone. i am arguing that people should not be allowed to violently attack eachother. do you disagree?
Do you think if we legalised drugs there would be chaos in the streets with millions of people turning into heroin addicts?
not at all. i fully support drug relegalization. i do not however, support murder legalization, or rape or assault legalization.
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Re: anarchy [Re: ]
#1363116 - 03/10/03 12:09 PM (21 years, 24 days ago) |
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Anarchy is based on individuality, and the freedom of individuals. There is no need for a "mechanism" such as police, laws, gov't... in order to maintain peace. This mechanism is inside all of us, and is the final and absolute restriction.
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Re: anarchy [Re: ]
#1364231 - 03/10/03 09:05 PM (21 years, 23 days ago) |
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Anarchy is based on individuality, and the freedom of individuals. There is no need for a "mechanism" such as police, laws, gov't... in order to maintain peace. This mechanism is inside all of us, and is the final and absolute restriction.
NO ALWAYS TRUE !
the anarchy thats callad anarco-syndicalism(spelling) has police ETC ETC BUT PEOPLE HAVE THE POWER !
this is the anarchy I want (so does Noam Chomsky who I highly respect!)
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