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Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed*
    #1363270 - 03/10/03 01:21 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Which species/strains work?
Panaelous subulatus. Psilocybe azurescens. Panaeolus cyanescens. Panaeolus cambodginiensis.

WIll any strain of cubensis work?
EQ and PR work well in Georgia climate. All strains of P. Cubensis work, to a varying degree of sucess.

When can I start my own outdoor tek?
For cubensis, the weather should be warm (Warm is comfortable with pants or shorts.) Wait untill temperatures reach a fairly consistant temperature thats above 60 degress. The temperatures should not dip lower than 50 degrees at night.

Where should I select the location?
Shady places work better than locations in full-sun. Higher ground is prefered in [laces that periodically flood; a patch left underwater for too long will drown.

What ratio of spawn to substrate is recomended?
1:10 spawn/bulk substrate works well. But an established colony in any ratio should eventually colonise the entire bed, leave a few larger clumps of spawn when making a bed to ensure this.

Do I need to pasteurize the bedding substrate?
No. The microbial balance you pasteurize substrate for indoor cultivation already exists in nature (outside)

Can I use a cover to increase the temperature/ relative humidity?
A tarp, or an upside-down tupperware or ruubermaid container will work.

When/how often should I water?
Work with your local forecast. Do not let it dry out, but also don't let it get to wet. Add longevity to your patch by watering with poo water (by-product of oven top pasteurization) but do this occasionaly.

How deep should I dig?
Moe reccomends 6 inches. Dig as deep as you want, as this adds to the longevity of the patch.

What kind of substrate can I spawn to?
Leached cow poo is arguably the best. Horsepoo, straw... Horsepoo mixed with straw works well also. In addition to that, Rabbit, Buffalo, Elaphant, Moose, Elk, anything that is bovine. They are what they eat; so look for vegetarian animals that eat rye, oats or straw etc.

Can I use vermiculite/perlite or water grabbers to maintain moisture?
The materials you use in your patch will hold water in just fine. Water grabbers will retain water in the patch, but there expansion and shrinkage may damage the patch to some degree. You can mix in vermiculite, but this is optional.

What should I use as a "casing"?
A thin layer of dirt, natural litter such as leaves or hay. Moss and sod work also.

What kind of pests are common to infest?
slugs, crickets, kittypillars...

How do I identify and get rid of these pests?
Slugs leave a snotty, thin, winding trail where ever they go. The antidote is to leave a bowl of beer, which attracts them to there death. For all other crawling insects, use a circle of Dolomite (non-posionous) around your patch. If you have persistant problems, you may wish to stop using grain to spawn with.

Edited by TheShroomHermit (04/19/03 07:25 PM)

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #1363556 - 03/10/03 03:15 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

**Can you use store bought manure?**
Yes.

**When can I start my outdoor crop?**
For cubensis, the weather should be warm. I consider warm being able to stay outside without longsleeve shirts or extra jackets and beanie type head warmers. Warm is comfortable with pants or shorts.


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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #1364830 - 03/11/03 04:19 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

What species can be grown outside besides psilocybe cubensis?


Panaelous sublateous (sp)
Psilocybe azurescens (sp)


those are the ones i know of, just add the rest when you compile


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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #1364838 - 03/11/03 04:24 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Can you do an outdoor tek in a greenhouse?

Yes, I dont see why not.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #1364845 - 03/11/03 04:26 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

What kind of animal poop can I use to make my bed?

Leached cow poop is the best.

Horse, Buffalo, Elaphant, Moose, Elk, anything that is bovine.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: Psychoslut]
    #1366598 - 03/11/03 02:39 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

should i grow my patch in my local sheriff's backyard


yes. why not? fuck the police :grin: 


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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: george castanza]
    #1373212 - 03/13/03 02:11 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

hey, isn't cubensis outdoor?? in specific the B+ strain?
someone answer


shaman :laugh: 

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: ShaMan1988]
    #1373218 - 03/13/03 02:14 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

They were ALL gathered from outdoors.EVERY strain.


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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: Anonymous]
    #1373229 - 03/13/03 02:17 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

very true, tanx

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: ShaMan1988]
    #1373487 - 03/13/03 04:24 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Well. Some strains have been so domesticated, like B+ and the PF classic, they may actually have trouble with dung, being so used to BRF.
Um, would anyone back me up on this, or should I just add what he said to the FAQ and shut the heck up? : )

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #1373588 - 03/13/03 05:03 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Well. Some strains have been so domesticated, like B+ and the PF classic


Apparently,most strains available through most vendors are "domesticated"but "Domesticated" seems to be a loose term.


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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: Anonymous]
    #1374652 - 03/14/03 03:27 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I have a question. When i mow my lawn, can i just use grass clippings soaked in water, instead of hay?


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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: moe]
    #1375477 - 03/14/03 08:16 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

no

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: debianlinux]
    #1375860 - 03/14/03 10:26 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

no




was that directed towards my question?


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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #1386074 - 03/17/03 08:27 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

So this was it?

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: Anno]
    #1388891 - 03/18/03 04:13 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

No, Anno : (
But my research efforts have been confined mostly to google since the shroomery search function is down. I will update!
Feel free to contribute... evyerbody!

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #1402136 - 03/23/03 04:18 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Can you introduce P. cubensis to a geographic location in which they are normally not seen (such as NE US) or would it be more advantageous to use a different species, like Panaelous sublateous, which naturally occurs in this region?

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: evlovevlove]
    #1402314 - 03/23/03 05:23 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Cubensis spores fed to cattle in Washington and Oregon State in the spring, produces a few cubies in manure before the fall months in hot rainy spells, howevver they never return the following year. IT is not their climate or region to grow.

mj

I tried on several ocassions otop fruit P. cubies in Hawaiian fields and had no success over a 7 year period of attemplng to do this. They would not take. Even when feeding the prints to cattle at the experimental farm on the north shroe of Oahu near Sunset Beach. Only the Copelandia's and Pn, subbalteatus grow there, and the Amanita muscria on Kuaui inthe imported flash pines.

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: Psychoslut]
    #1402320 - 03/23/03 05:23 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

psilocybe cyanescens (caramel caps) can be grown oudoors on woodchips and saw dust. growing parameters are found in both stamets books, the mushroom cutivator and growing gourmet and medicinal mushrooms

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: isabellegoddess]
    #1405479 - 03/24/03 08:07 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

what can u grow in sayyy. connecticut.. in your back yard?

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: Only1AK]
    #1407004 - 03/24/03 07:31 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Which Climate Zone do you live in?

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23362


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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: Only1AK]
    #1576519 - 05/25/03 03:00 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

what are any benifits in growing outdoors... (other than avoiding slugs, snails and police)... time wise, do they grow any better?


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    #1576759 - 05/25/03 06:23 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)


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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: ]
    #1577432 - 05/25/03 11:34 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

Is there any way to innoculate the patch directly through syringe or spore print without worrying about BRF or anything like that?

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: ]
    #1578161 - 05/26/03 11:02 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

Well, I read once about taking horse poop and mixing it with some water and putting some spores in there. Apparently the spores will colonize the poo. Then you can just sorta baste the substrate in this. Its just that BRF and all other such cake substrates are outta the question for innoculation.

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: ]
    #1578546 - 05/26/03 01:42 PM (21 years, 22 days ago)

no no no ... its not that they're too difficult ... it's just ... I can't, because I live at home with my folks and theres no way I'd be able to work with BRF and shit here.

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: jonas]
    #1578686 - 05/26/03 02:32 PM (21 years, 22 days ago)

Great post...Heres a question which may or may not have a clear answer;

Since hay has more nutrients than straw, is it "better" than straw as a substrate?


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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: PDU]
    #1579568 - 05/26/03 08:34 PM (21 years, 22 days ago)

IMO, as it is based on my knowledge as a dairy farmer, hay will hold some water but not like straw will.  Hay is more nutritious which is why we feed hay to cattle and use straw for bedding (as it tends to soak up moisture).
OMG would I have rather fed straw to cows than hay. Middle of August in a hay field or on top of 100+ degree  metal building stacking hay SUCKS. Thank god my family invested in a kick baler, it made it a little easier  :grin: 
Just remember hay sometimes is comprised of more than timothy, or alfalfa.  Sometimes it has considerable amount of "weeds", which could be good, bad or indifferent.   


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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: SafeHaven]
    #1581287 - 05/27/03 11:35 AM (21 years, 21 days ago)

I shot up an outdoor patch of hay and dookie with the leftover spores in one of my syringes after I innoculated some jars. I had'nt seen any growth in about 3 weeks so I took a few cakes outside to put in there and there was mycelium everywhere about an inch deep. So you are not wasting spores if you shoot them into an outdoor patch. It just may take a little longer to get shroomies this way.


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    #1582398 - 05/27/03 06:48 PM (21 years, 21 days ago)

Hey just out 0f curiousity...
my friend was walking in the forest today. suddenly he had the natural instinct of picking up the mushroom scent, he could not believe this. something that any ordinary person could not pick up... anyways, the point being...that there is a fuckin huge tree that had been knocked over,...the roots bare showing...however...the tree part was used as firewood many years ago...the point being...the massive roots have lotsa soil within them... and the roots seem to be decomposing...now up0n walking thru the forest, my friend smelled and noticed mushies growing in this massive root system...they have similar form of p. cub.
anyways the real question is that my friend has corn syrup jars filled with mycelium...my friend wants to inject a portion of this into this root system... could it possibly work?.... its in a perfect shady humid area...not too shady tho :P (the roots are like 5 meters * 5 meters)


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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: ShaMan1988]
    #1582478 - 05/27/03 07:25 PM (21 years, 21 days ago)

If you live in an area where Cubensis grow naturally you can go out and gather sackfuls of dried cowpats in the dry season and they will alread have patches of growth on them. If these are broken up a bit and given a soak they will commence grwth again. The trick is not to get them too wet or they drown. They are full of every other sort of cowpat fungus but if you keep them in an outdoor setting the cubes dont get contaminated but if you bring inside contam goe sway up as theres no predators to control the insects, mould and weed fungi

But if you do only find a few try breaking off the colnised bits and soaking then put in a bag somewhere warm. theyll colonise the remaining bits and then you can use thes pieces as spawn for outdoors

A friend told me he used to do this every year and make beds 20cm thick under cover where he could regulate the moisture levels. You can mulch with a layer of coir and straw to help stop evaporation
He said hed get a crop of Panaeolus and the 2 to 3 weeks later the cubies would start
Ive onlty seen cubes here - it must depend on climate as to what species occupies whatever field
If you have a field with no cubes in a climate that should then try soaking a few over matured one ins a bucket of water and go around pouring it onto cowpats.
Id say this would be a better way than feeding to cows, Pans definitely go through the gut but now ive looked at it its does seem that cubes come up from the bottom so maybe the spores are just across the field in the soil

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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: Mycena]
    #1585926 - 05/28/03 05:37 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

??? u replied to my post but said nothing about my friends questions... gr8 help...no offence... try 2 help ppl out not confuse em


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Re: Outdoor FAQ *Your help is needed* [Re: ShaMan1988]
    #1587385 - 05/29/03 01:59 AM (21 years, 20 days ago)

P. cubensis grows on dung. Not on tree roots. I hope this answers your question.

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