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Re: if Shit hits the fan... (moved) [Re: Kada]
    #13613039 - 12/10/10 02:40 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Say you have a nice permaculture spread in the NC mountains.  You have thirty people armed to the teeth, food production capabilities (chickens, gardens, etc...) grow weed and "still" moonshine to barter with, everyone has two jobs (medic, midwife, mechanic, farmer, logistics, school teacher. . .).  I still think you're fucked when some roving band of Crips from Atlanta comes up to see what they can get.  Or your situation gets laid seige by some right wing militia group who wants to get your resources. The only weapon you could really have is pure LSD.  Invite the militia in, invite the crips in, pretend that what you have is theirs.  Then dose them using food and water or moonshine until they are almost comatose.  Then you murder them and stick their heads on pikes outside your perimeter.  I've thought about it and there is no other way.

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Re: if Shit hits the fan... (moved) [Re: gremlin moon]
    #13625430 - 12/13/10 09:02 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

lol, man..

I think there are some errors to your idea..

This old dude that stayed with me for a few days this summer told me some very effective means of protectiong a perimemter, that emplo like methods as you described.. However, never did it involve breaking bread with the people.. Lol.

If shit hits the fan, I think the key to safety is to either, truly be armed to the teeth and have a commune type area, with a pretty secure perimiter that would hold up well enough under siege for a while..

I mean, if shit reallly does hit the fan. Then your going to have to take it seriously. It all depends on if and how many people are in your 'clan' or w/e.. and what ur environment is like, ad what the conditions are like in the rest of the world...


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Re: if Shit hits the fan... (moved) [Re: OverdoseLiving]
    #13627999 - 12/13/10 06:50 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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This old dude that stayed with me for a few days this summer told me some very effective means of protectiong a perimemter, that emplo like methods as you described..




One of those Vietnam Vet growers who know how to booby trap their fields I presume. . .

Personally, I can't get more than fifty people together.  They are also not the fifty most ideal survivalists.  I assume that 20 of them can't make it to the site due to wimping out, staying with infirm family members, bridges being out, being attacked, etc. 

Plausible scenarios include several dirty bombs going off simultaneously (think DC and Atlanta or Boston and NYC for example), an epidemic-scale influenza outbreak with a large-scale power grid failure, or a hurricane hitting a city higher up on the eastern seaboard due to climate change. 

In a serious societal collapse I think bartering and trade networks are key, with groups sharing common mutual interest over hundreds of miles. The Incas, Mayans, Anasasi, Romans and the like had well developed relations and trade partners outside their immediate region.  Who knows, maybe those crips could be allies (you give them weed, they scavange the city for mechanical parts), or that raiding party from the Kentucky militia might see mutual interest in moonshine production. 

I feel thinking multi-generationally is important if it really goes down.  I guess that means not murdering innocents right off the bat, but definitely being able to take care of yourself if trading with aggressive parties goes bad. 

On a personal level it is important to have skills to bring to the table if you need to join a group.

Of course as Heinlein says: " A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."

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Re: if Shit hits the fan... (moved) [Re: gremlin moon]
    #13629090 - 12/13/10 10:12 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I'd probably just make my way up to my grandmothers house out in KY. She lives in an area with lots of old farmers and families that have been living on the same property for generations. Good people that know how to work together and take care of each other.


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Re: if Shit hits the fan... (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13629114 - 12/13/10 10:17 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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You can't buy food or water but you have internet access? Wow.




Satellite. 

That and the solar cells, etc., all cost money though.  We moved to the mountains after working in the so-called 'real world' for 35 years to save enough to buy property out here and get set up.  I wouldn't trade this life for the other again, no matter what.  We spend weeks cutting, splitting and stacking our firewood, and we spend weeks hunting for our food/meat, but when winter comes, we have it all frozen solid in cold boxes outside, therefore no electricity usage for our freezers.  Our total monthly expenses are about $400, which we can make easily.
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