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Says it All
    #1362531 - 03/10/03 10:06 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Naturally, the common people don't want war. But, after all, it is the
leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple
matter to drag the people along...Voice or no voice, the people can always
be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do
is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any
country.



-- Herman Goering, Reichsmarschall of the Third Reich, Second in
Command to Adolph Hitler, and Nazi War Criminal


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Re: Says it All [Re: silversoul7]
    #1362636 - 03/10/03 10:44 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yup. Let us not forget the "Reichstag Fire": The "tragedy" that helped Hitler become dictator and turned Germany into a fascist police-state.

And now the WTC and the sudden war powers Bush and Co. are given. Sound familiar?


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Re: Says it All [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1362723 - 03/10/03 11:23 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Strange coincidence: I was thinking about making a post today about the similarites between the Reichstag fire and the WTC disaster, before I had even seen this post...Weird eh?

Anyway, yes..the parallels are quite striking.


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Re: Says it All [Re: Revelation]
    #1362888 - 03/10/03 12:36 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

History repeating.
More and more people are becoming aware of what the Bush crime family is up to.

Check this out.
Dick Cheney - Corperate Criminal


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Re: Says it All [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #1363023 - 03/10/03 01:33 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

while we are quoting:

"It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.? Joseph M. Goebbels

Clinton was guilty; history will show that Bush is also...


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Re: Says it All [Re: grib]
    #1363039 - 03/10/03 01:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Clinton was guilty; history will show that Bush is also...



It's good that some people keep both eyes open. Now if we could only teach the blind to see...


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Re: Says it All [Re: Evolving]
    #1363131 - 03/10/03 02:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Don't forget the scapegoats! Jews were being treated like human shit well before the Holocaust. The Germans put them in prison, took their property and possessions, and condemned them to fates worse than murderers and rapists. Government propaganda was spread about Jews equating them with rats and blaming the problems of society on them.

America treats their scapegoats, the drug users, the same way today.


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Re: Says it All [Re: Revelation]
    #1363458 - 03/10/03 04:26 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

There are many parallels and I wonder if there is a Timewave resonance going on here as well. It's chilling.


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Re: Says it All [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1363533 - 03/10/03 05:04 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Angry Mycologist writes:

Let us not forget the "Reichstag Fire"

There was a crucial difference between the Reichstag fire and bin Laden's attack on the WTC. Surely I needn't point it out to anyone.

pinky


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Re: Says it All [Re: Phred]
    #1363597 - 03/10/03 05:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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There was a crucial difference between the Reichstag fire and bin Laden's attack on the WTC. Surely I needn't point it out to anyone.
 



I need you to point it out to me, so we can debate it  :smile: 


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Re: Says it All [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1363615 - 03/10/03 05:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Are you serious? I needn't be the one to point it out to you in order for us to debate it -- you can point it out as well as I can.

pinky


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Re: Says it All [Re: Phred]
    #1363652 - 03/10/03 05:49 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Are you serious? 



Yes, I am serious.

Quote:

I needn't be the one to point it out to you in order for us to debate it -- you can point it out as well as I can. 



Enlighten me  :tongue: 


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Re: Says it All [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1363694 - 03/10/03 05:58 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The Reichstag fire was not an act of a foreign power. It was planned by the Nazi party and carried out by agents working directly on their behalf.

pinky


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Re: Says it All [Re: Phred]
    #1363739 - 03/10/03 06:10 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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The Reichstag fire was not an act of a foreign power. It was planned by the Nazi party and carried out by agents working directly on their behalf.



They both correspond to how the government handled the tragedy, by eroding civil rights afterwards, IMO.

When the fire first occured, blame was immediately put on the communist party. Decades later it has become more evident that the Nazi's started the fire.

I still do not rule out the possibility that our current administration had a lot more to do with the WTC attacks then we think. People would have never guessed that the Nazi's had caused the fire during the time it happened, as years passed though, evidence pointed in a different direction. Isn't it possible that we are in this same position?


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Re: Says it All [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1363745 - 03/10/03 06:13 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Possible?

I say it's more than likely.


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Re: Says it All [Re: Phred]
    #1363753 - 03/10/03 06:16 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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The Reichstag fire was not an act of a foreign power. It was planned by the Nazi party and carried out by agents working directly on their behalf.

pinky




No one will ever find a smoking gun to prove that Shrub was behind 9/11; but that doesnt mean that the gun wasnt there. Shrub has had too much to gain from 9/11, as well as too much to lose without 9/11 (Enron), to not have been responsible. And that still allows foreign agents as the executioners, who in all likelyhood were CIA dupes whose minds were clouded with religious delusions. One would be hard-pressed to ever convince me that 9/11 was anything else but a Reichstag fire; or that al-Qaeda is anything else but an Emmanuel Goldstein type front.


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Re: Says it All [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1363767 - 03/10/03 06:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

They both correspond to how the government handled the tragedy, by eroding civil rights afterwards, IMO.

I said there was a crucial difference. There was. As for eroding civil rights, the Nazis had been doing that right from the beginning of their reign.

Decades later it has become more evident that the Nazi's started the fire.

Less than decades. It was known very shortly after the war was over and the mountain of captured documents had been reviewed.

People would have never guessed that the Nazi's had caused the fire during the time it happened...

Again, not so. There was plenty of suspicion from the beginning that it was a manufactured incident. The proof was not available till later, however.

Isn't it possible that we are in this same position?

No. Enough evidence has already been gathered to show that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were the result of a carefully planned operation that began while Clinton was still the Prez.

pinky


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Re: Says it All [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1363785 - 03/10/03 06:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Annapurna1 writes:

Shrub has had too much to gain from 9/11, as well as too much to lose without 9/11 (Enron), to not have been responsible.

Uh huh. How do you explain the fact that the planning for the operation began at a time when Bush hadn't even secured the nomination of his own party as presidential candidate, much less been elected?

And that still allows foreign agents as the executioners, who in all likelyhood were CIA dupes whose minds were clouded with religious delusions.

Does that include all the operations known to have been carried out by bin Laden and his merry men? The USS Cole, the embassy bombings, etc.?

One would be hard-pressed to ever convince me that 9/11 was anything else but a Reichstag fire...

So you are saying it was Americans who persuaded bin Laden to do it. I see.

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Re: Says it All [Re: Phred]
    #1363793 - 03/10/03 06:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think Bush himself or his administration did much to "Set up" the attacks. (But I could be wrong.)
I think it's more like they just allowed it to happen.
I'm not buying the fact that the NSA, and CIA were "slacking off" or whatever.
There's no way they couldn't have known.

And then there's the issue of the U.S. military's complete non-action on the morning of the 11th...


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Re: Says it All [Re: Phred]
    #1363831 - 03/10/03 06:52 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Shrub has had too much to gain from 9/11, as well as too much to lose without 9/11 (Enron), to not have been responsible.

Uh huh. How do you explain the fact that the planning for the operation began at a time when Bush hadn't even secured the nomination of his own party as presidential candidate, much less been elected?




Like this. More precisely, it was not the Shrub administration itself but the ruling elites he represents that were behind it, known as the PNAC in the planning phase of the mid 1990s.

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And that still allows foreign agents as the executioners, who in all likelyhood were CIA dupes whose minds were clouded with religious delusions.

Does that include all the operations known to have been carried out by bin Laden and his merry men? The USS Cole, the embassy bombings, etc.?

One would be hard-pressed to ever convince me that 9/11 was anything else but a Reichstag fire...

So you are saying it was Americans who persuaded bin Laden to do it. I see.

pinky




"Osama bin-Laden" is Arabic for "Emmanuel Goldstein". Read 1984 and you'll know exactly what i mean by that.


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