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Freud and the Ego
    #1360548 - 03/09/03 03:26 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I notice that in the psychadelic community in particular, the ego gets a bad rap. After learning a bit about Freud, I am perplexed as to why it would carry such negative connotation. According to Freud, there are three parts of our brain:

The Id: The part of our brain that is an immediate pleasure-seeker, caring little for others.

The Superego: The rules imposed by society about what sort of behavior is acceptable, and what is not.

The Ego: The moderating influence that tries to balance the Id and the Superego.

It seems to me that of these three, the Ego is the most important part. Can someone explain to me why the Ego is such a bad thing?


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Re: Freud and the Ego [Re: silversoul7]
    #1360575 - 03/09/03 03:41 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

that was never  a satisfying explanation for me.

What I consider the ego is neither bad or good, but it can cause negative effects because it supports a self based ideal, (always lookin out for #1) wich seems to be needed in a self fueled society, its really a circle of selfeshness.

so I guess I would consider the ego The Id, The super-Ego,
and the Ego, nearly but never entirely ignoring the one.

I would rather say...

The Ego- The self. deatached( although probally never wholey )from the one. only being a negative when toghether with what I call " The flaw of man "


The common consciosness- The basic things a society considers acceptable- or cool
or whatever is the common influence


and the one- The force :cool:




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Re: Freud and the Ego [Re: silversoul7]
    #1360600 - 03/09/03 03:50 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I never got the same impression as you on discussion about the ego on this bulletin board. Psychedelic drug trips have a direct relationship to the ego because it allows the individual to change his ego or even experience loss of ego. A lot of people aim to achieve the highest state of enlightenment and transcend time and space barriers and experience ego less unity. I think the higher states of consiousness are more evolved parts of the brain. It don't think it is proper to refer to any one state as better than any other state.


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Re: Freud and the Ego [Re: silversoul7]
    #1360779 - 03/09/03 05:11 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Freud and the Ego [Re: silversoul7]
    #1360978 - 03/09/03 06:10 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Alot of people beleive that sigmund freud was nothing but a crazy coke addict. All his theories, are just that, theories.

"I take very small doses of it regularly and against depression and against indigestion, and with the most brilliant success" - sigmund freud

He also said:
"..cocaine probably does not produce any disorder in the body, even if one consumes it for a long time in moderate amounts.."

"..after having taken coke, for the first time or in a regular way, one doesn't feel the need anymore; after a long time, one feels a certain loathing in regards to the product.."

But freud himself was for many years an 'enthusiastic' user, to the point where his nose bled and became filled with pus --- which he treated with more cocaine.





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Re: Freud and the Ego [Re: Crass]
    #1360994 - 03/09/03 06:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

alot = a lot


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Re: Freud and the Ego [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1361037 - 03/09/03 06:26 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Ego is a tool which must be integrated and transcended. This partially requires the confrontation, and overcoming of subconscious and conscious fears. I think Freud's interpretation of the ego was off, I think of it like a mental shield.. which can be a help or a hinderance. Ascending it requires turning the shield into a clear screen. Damn words and not being able to express my thoughts completely accurately. :tongue: 


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Re: Freud and the Ego [Re: Shroomism]
    #1361116 - 03/09/03 06:54 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I dont think anyone can "experience" COMPLETE ego loss, its one of those things that just cannot be experienced.


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Re: Freud and the Ego [Re: Galvie_Flu]
    #1361134 - 03/09/03 07:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

It seems to me that the general consensus is that everyone disagrees with Freud's definition of the Ego. Am I right?


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Re: Freud and the Ego [Re: silversoul7]
    #1361636 - 03/10/03 01:51 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

also, many of us have been exposed to tim leary's rantings :wink: ...
and there is the eastern influence (well, leary, alpert, & metzner's book _the psychedelic experience_ was based on _the tibetan book of the dead_) ... buddhist teachings regarding anatta repudiated the hindu notion of atman (an abiding soul), and this is carried over to western psychology & the notion of an unchanging core concept of self...
perhaps a way to approach the problem of ego might be to regard it as an ocassionally useful fiction (or tool), but not the totality of an individual's psyche...
remember, stanislav grof started out as a classically trained freudian psychoanalyst, but his experiecnces facilitating thousands of trips in czechoslovakia convinced him that there was more to the human mind that could be explained by using _only_ freud's models of consciousness...


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Re: Freud and the Ego [Re: silversoul7]
    #1361809 - 03/10/03 05:04 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

freud's models are very accurate, as far as the "domesticated primates" are concerned, but he can't see where he's stuck in the chain (the time-binding, rational semantic circuit according to Leary, or the third chakra, according to Ram Dass) - thus he can only view the the oral bio-survival, the anal emotional-territorial, or the first 2 chakras.

no, the ego isn't the bad guy, and in fact, a damaged (it can never be completely destroyed as long as you're alive) ego will only delude you - a strong, healthy, nutured ego will be the ground basis of finding your own individualities, freedoms, loves, responsibilities, exc.


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Re: Freud and the Ego [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #1362304 - 03/10/03 08:46 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

everyone has an ego; in our own minds, we all think we are something special
and we are
we are all different like snowflakes, and we all have something to offer



but at the same time, we are all equal, in that, we all breath, we are all just life

in the end, it really doesnt matter how big you are, how much money you have, or how many people you have sex with,

contribute how you can, do unto others
pour out a little liquer and spark a bowl for the soldiers who have already been laid to rest in this war which we call life

everyone has an imagination

everyone can percieve, create, and destroy

everyone wants to feel like they made a difference

everyone wants to fuck,

so go

go fuck like rabbits yo, but use rubbers

pleasure center stimulation = meaning of life


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Re: Freud and the Ego [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #1363258 - 03/10/03 03:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

no, the ego isn't the bad guy, and in fact, a damaged (it can never be completely destroyed as long as you're alive) ego will only delude you - a strong, healthy, nutured ego will be the ground basis of finding your own individualities, freedoms, loves, responsibilities, exc.

I agree! The ego isn't a bad thing at all, it just is. To see 'the bigger pitcure' one needs to trancsend the ego to get that perspective. I always refered to ego loss as 'Taking your mask off.'


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Re: Freud and the Ego [Re: Murex]
    #1363356 - 03/10/03 03:45 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

yeah, the sociatle ego is like sunglasses that society makes, we have the choice to don the sunglasses, we can always take them off, or replace them with a variety of other ones. In the end we all wear some type of sunglasses, wheater they be reflective, like a mirror, or the ones that give us tunnle vision, or the ones that....


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